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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:50:00 -
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I believe that with the upcoming changes to vehicles, they should add a logistics HAV ti the mix
I believe that this would be a good idea and give HAV users a STRONGER tank that goes above and beyond the HP of your standard Madrugar or Gunlnogi.
That or make the Tank built for support and healing other vehicles. Give it a bonus such as:
Logistics HAV bonus: +5% Reduction to Shield Transporter and Remote Armor Repairer per level Gallente Logistics HAV bonus: +5% efficiency to Remote Armor Repairers modules per level Caldari Logistics HAv bonus: =5% efficiency to Shield Transporter modules per level
And it would complete the set of logistics roles in this game. Meaning Logibro lovers like me will finally feel complete
Logistics Dropsuits Logistics Dropships Logistics LAVs Logistics HAVs
I'd feel so complete
Not to mention that it would add a bit of diversity to this game's vehicles. After all, we don't see to many enforcers because the are just 1.2 Million dollar militia HAVs with an additional slot |
Void Echo
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
1771
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Posted - 2013.10.15 04:08:00 -
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finally wel have our own tanks that survive AV!!!!!!
now lavs wont be the only tanks on the field anymore |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.15 04:44:00 -
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Not to mention that it would add a bit of diversity to this game's vehicles. After all, we don't see to many enforcers because the are just 1.2 Million dollar militia HAVs with an additional slot[/quote]
So true and when you do they rarely engage in battle from what I see. They are always parked on a hill sniping. That's why I asked for extra slots , computer and programming usage on all tanks. Sounds good and make since , but I don't think that they will do either of the ideas , because mines sound like it's too right and yours makes since , but that's why they give you the option of adding remote shield and armor , but who uses them??? Also that's why they made the logi LAV's. Try putting both on one tank and see how long you last. One is bad enough if you come across another tank , they will evaporate you. It's bad enough when your using a madrugar and get hit once and that shield goes half way down. That's why I don't use mines , but you have a good ideal , but they need extra slots and computer and programming usage or else you'll be in a boat load of crap.
It doesn't make since having mods that you can't even use ... at all. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1784
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Posted - 2013.10.15 04:55:00 -
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I would totally rock a MINER MAV.
A vehicle that doesnt have anything but a small turret to defend itself, but has an ''equipment'' slot that lets me deploy mines in big quantities.
Say up to 20-30 mines or remote explosives.
Talk about true Area denial, Mined fields.... XD |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.15 05:05:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I would totally rock a MINER MAV.
A vehicle that doesnt have anything but a small turret to defend itself, but has an ''equipment'' slot that lets me deploy mines in big quantities.
Say up to 20-30 mines or remote explosives.
Talk about true Area denial, Mined fields.... XD
I like that Ideal. Not only mines but have a gun with the blast power of a forge gun as well. Miner = Forge gun. But they would also have to make a mine sweeper as well. Good Ideals guys. Let's see what comes out of it. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.15 17:58:00 -
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Any imput or ideas? |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
52
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Posted - 2013.10.15 18:22:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Not to mention that it would add a bit of diversity to this game's vehicles. After all, we don't see to many enforcers because the are just 1.2 Million dollar militia HAVs with an additional slot
So true and when you do they rarely engage in battle from what I see. They are always parked on a hill sniping. That's why I asked for extra slots , computer and programming usage on all tanks. Sounds good and make since , but I don't think that they will do either of the ideas , because mines sound like it's too right and yours makes since , but that's why they give you the option of adding remote shield and armor , but who uses them??? Also that's why they made the logi LAV's. Try putting both on one tank and see how long you last. One is bad enough if you come across another tank , they will evaporate you. It's bad enough when your using a madrugar and get hit once and that shield goes half way down. That's why I don't use mines , but you have a good ideal , but they need extra slots and computer and programming usage or else you'll be in a boat load of crap.
It doesn't make since having mods that you can't even use ... at all.[/quote]
I have a LAV that has both of the transporters and i support tanks when i can, one issue i have with the transporter is that like the repper you cannot see the health bars of the tank. |
Vulpes Dolosus
Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.15 18:25:00 -
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In order to curb the threat of Logi tanks turning into the logi/assault suit equivalent (i.e., better at assault than assault suits), they should have
-lower stock CPU/PG to make it difficult to fit higher tier large turrets
-low base health for the need to add on defenses
-huge bonuses to shield extenders/boosters, armour plates/repairers, active longevity/ cool downs, and other defensive modules. And of course bonuses to shield transporters and remote repairers.
-Perhaps a damage reduction percentage like the LLAV as well |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
410
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Posted - 2013.10.15 18:27:00 -
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and then we will need more ppl running proto breach forge guns to compensate for the stronger havs! |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
217
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Posted - 2013.10.15 18:37:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:In order to curb the threat of Logi tanks turning into the logi/assault suit equivalent (i.e., better at assault than assault suits), they should have
-lower stock CPU/PG to make it difficult to fit higher tier large turrets
-low base health for the need to add on defenses
-huge bonuses to shield extenders/boosters, armour plates/repairers, active longevity/ cool downs, and other defensive modules. And of course bonuses to shield transporters and remote repairers.
-Perhaps a damage reduction percentage like the LLAV as well Well actually I believe that they should have more base HP, as nobody would want to use a weaker tank. They are already ISK sinks as it is
And we can't have low CPU/PG, as Heavy transporters and Remote Repairers require a lot of PG and CPU.
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Takron Nistrom
eHarmony Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.16 00:14:00 -
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Has anyone seen 2 or 3 tanks, spider tanking? I have not yet and I would think it would be super effective. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:11:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Not to mention that it would add a bit of diversity to this game's vehicles. After all, we don't see to many enforcers because the are just 1.2 Million dollar militia HAVs with an additional slot So true and when you do they rarely engage in battle from what I see. They are always parked on a hill sniping. That's why I asked for extra slots , computer and programming usage on all tanks. Sounds good and make since , but I don't think that they will do either of the ideas , because mines sound like it's too right and yours makes since , but that's why they give you the option of adding remote shield and armor , but who uses them??? Also that's why they made the logi LAV's. Try putting both on one tank and see how long you last. One is bad enough if you come across another tank , they will evaporate you. It's bad enough when your using a madrugar and get hit once and that shield goes half way down. That's why I don't use mines , but you have a good ideal , but they need extra slots and computer and programming usage or else you'll be in a boat load of crap. It doesn't make since having mods that you can't even use ... at all.
I have a LAV that has both of the transporters and i support tanks when i can, one issue i have with the transporter is that like the repper you cannot see the health bars of the tank. [/quote]
10 /15 / 2013 Really??? Well YOU are the ONLY one I know who does so. I played a game earlier ( one of the ONLY ones that I had won today ... oh wait we lost in the end because people became lazy ) and the tank had shield exchange on it.
I wonder how many hits you can take before you crumble??? Less than most I'm sure. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:16:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:and then we will need more ppl running proto breach forge guns to compensate for the stronger havs!
They do. Thank GOD you haven't faced them yet , because proto swarms and forges are all I run into. Please believe me. One shot POP !!!! Not good at all. Can't run fast enough. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
136
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:18:00 -
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Logi MTAC...
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Any imput or ideas?
You have a great Idea seeing as how I love my tanks and how they perform means a lot to me. More programming and computer usage for one. They really don't need to be stronger if they would add one or two extra slots , along with the programming and computer adjustments. The slots would add the strength and the adjustment would support it.
Even if they don't adjust the turrets like I suggested ( I asked for a slight adjustment to the computer and programming usage. Probably like a seven percent decrease. Ten is too much and five might not be enough of a change. ) The slots and adjustments would more than make up for it. These changes wouldn't make the tanks unstoppable like they or most would think. They would just increase the life slightly. Hell forge guns are more powerful than most if not all turrets , there only weakness if any , is that they are supported by a human and the charge time. Which the proto's actually don't take as long and their power is astounding. Proto swarms can destroy a tank in one volley without reloading , so that's three rounds.
For as many proto suits you see you would have to believe that there are not as many weapons but almost enough support proto weapons in some way or another , i.e . grenades , tact support , or hand held. A few regular a.v.'s can do a lot of harm , if you have two or three adversaries surrounding you. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1194
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Posted - 2013.10.16 09:39:00 -
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No. Just make the LLV better at repping. HAV's are meant to deal and tank damage, not tank it. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:00:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Has anyone seen 2 or 3 tanks, spider tanking? I have not yet and I would think it would be super effective. Multiple Tanks? No. But my friend Ruunt has a tank with around 9-10k armor (but no armor repairers) . And I just use my tank to heal him back up when he's getting hit. It is really effective.
I salsa saw a derpship repping a tank in Ambush once as well .
But me and Ruunt do Spider LAVing with our Limbi |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:15:00 -
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(As a knee-jerk reaction without much thought) I would be against a role that reaches across two different sizes. Logi vehicles use LAVs as a foundation. If you want Logi HAVs, remove Logi LAVs. That said, I would love to see MAVs and have a lot of the specific utility roles based on MAVs, like the T2 versions of cruisers in EVE.
Ideally, the game should have light, medium, and heavy vehicles at the very minimum. The basic versions of those different vehicles should be the groundwork for specific roles. As I said earlier, I would like to see the Logi role fall to the MAV.
The MOST IMPORTANT THING right now for Dust is to get the basic content of the game completed and released. That includes all four racial variants of light, medium, and heavy dropsuit frames and vehicles (ground and aerial.) |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.16 18:14:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:(As a knee-jerk reaction without much thought) I would be against a role that reaches across two different sizes. Logi vehicles use LAVs as a foundation. If you want Logi HAVs, remove Logi LAVs. That said, I would love to see MAVs and have a lot of the specific utility roles based on MAVs, like the T2 versions of cruisers in EVE. Ideally, the game should have light, medium, and heavy vehicles at the very minimum. The basic versions of those different vehicles should be the groundwork for specific roles. As I said earlier, I would like to see the Logi role fall to the MAV. The MOST IMPORTANT THING right now for Dust is to get the basic content of the game completed and released. That includes all four racial variants of light, medium, and heavy dropsuit frames and vehicles (ground and aerial.) Edit: Shameless plug for my thread. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115819&find=unread Well actually, the Logi LAVs are used for light repair, and considering that the PG/CPU requirements on a Heavy Remote Repairer and Heavy Shield Transporters, No LAV will ever be able to fit one. Being Repped by an LAV is like having a light armor repairer on a 6000 Armor Madrugar or a 7000 shield Gunnlogi. I doesn't really help that much TBH.
A Logistics HAV would be different in the fact that it is a Support Vehicle capable of completely repairing vehicles effectively and efficiently.
Just imagine a Millitia Repair tool on a proto heavy.
And no Logi HAVs can and should co-exist with Logi LAVs.
The point of Logi LAVs is to do stuff best fitted for an LAV such as active scanning and stuff like that. |
Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
308
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Posted - 2013.10.16 20:21:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I would totally rock a MINER MAV.
A vehicle that doesnt have anything but a small turret to defend itself, but has an ''equipment'' slot that lets me deploy mines in big quantities.
Say up to 20-30 mines or remote explosives.
Talk about true Area denial, Mined fields.... XD I would love a vehicle like that. It would probably fall into medium or at least to me it should be a medium vehicle with decent speed and good capacity for mines. I envision something with only a few slots on it say 3 mine slots each type of mine or RE being in quantities of 10 or so (depending on level of course) per slot. That way you can choose to carry either anti infanrty proximity based explosives intantry pressure (you have to step right on them or maybe be 1 meter away) and anti vehicle. |
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:08:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:CLONE117 wrote:and then we will need more ppl running proto breach forge guns to compensate for the stronger havs! They do. Thank GOD you haven't faced them yet , because proto swarms and forges are all I run into. Please believe me. One shot POP !!!! Not good at all. Can't run fast enough. Oh I believe you. I actually am a dedicated Tanker and AV. If a tank without hardners doesn't die by the 1st volley (which is rare) then they will definetly die with the 2nd and 3rd volley
But they aren't that much of a problem if you have dual hardners
[edit] I fixed up my spelling and grammar in the post, it was horridly bad.
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Adelia Lafayette
DUST University Ivy League
465
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Posted - 2013.12.01 01:54:00 -
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vehicles need equipment slots for remote reps
Assault dropship gets blown up....
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.01 01:56:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:vehicles need equipment slots for remote reps They should also get equipment slots for things such as nitrous and active scanners, as all of this stuff being in the high slots really gimps shielded vehicles
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.01 01:57:00 -
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If CCP puts out something like this, I might never touch infantry again.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.01 02:37:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:If CCP puts out something like this, I might never touch infantry again. It would be the only legitimate FoTM I could ever justify vehicles having.
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Gloomy Cobra
Forsaken Mercs
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Posted - 2013.12.01 03:06:00 -
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Awesome idea to be honest, especially with the upcoming changes...Also if the ammo rep gets added aswell it would be really cool Been playing around with my soma tank ( im mainly dropship guy but this technique works best with ground vehicles). Have a heavy shield transporter for my friends tank and i keep him reped when he need's it and its really fun seeing av trying to kill him but cant do as fast as they are supposed to then they target my poor tank. Overall this adds a better teamwork and new ideas to the field also makes the game more fun.. I hope a dev looks at this post and shares with the other devs (im pretty sure they are thinking the same ideas with logis too, there probably just too busy atm). Anyways +1 and thank you for brinig this idea up..>Btw make the range little bit more especially for the dropships (its kinda hard having to get really close just to rep and give us back the ablilty to look at a vehicles armor/shield, cant do rep's on ds unless the assualt variant *which costs a lot*
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Eris Ernaga
State Patriots
838
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Posted - 2013.12.01 07:39:00 -
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Logi HAVS I think should depend on a few things repairing ranges and speed with a decent amount of tank. Speed allows them to escape danger and get to other vehicles for logistics. Repair range makes it so you don't have to be 5 meters behind a vehicle at all times and lets the logi HAV user some breathing space. All in all these things should probably get bonuses to rep tools, nitrous, vehicle speed, repair range and come with a standard amount of slots to fit some tank, pg mods and what not.
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Eris Ernaga
State Patriots
838
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Posted - 2013.12.01 07:41:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:In order to curb the threat of Logi tanks turning into the logi/assault suit equivalent (i.e., better at assault than assault suits), they should have
-lower stock CPU/PG to make it difficult to fit higher tier large turrets
-low base health for the need to add on defenses
-huge bonuses to shield extenders/boosters, armour plates/repairers, active longevity/ cool downs, and other defensive modules. And of course bonuses to shield transporters and remote repairers.
-Perhaps a damage reduction percentage like the LLAV as well
pre nerfed and ruined =p
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:10:00 -
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Should this idea be scrapped with the new vehicle changes?
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
572
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:19:00 -
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this thread is old.....
although looking back at how our tanks r currently....changing that logistics hav idea a bit could work.... putting it into an infantry support area may work. and possibly give it the ability to support other vehicles as well.. i think the idea could still happen but changes would need to be made to it first. when look at the game currently. |
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Evolution-7
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
276
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Any imput or ideas?
.... whoever was worrying about this turning in to a logi assault is stupid.
simple...
we dont need logi havs
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leave ground vehicle repair to a logistics MAV
Veteran Pilot
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy
654
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:18:00 -
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Evolution-7 wrote:Atiim wrote:Any imput or ideas? .... whoever was worrying about this turning in to a logi assault is stupid. simple... we dont need logi havs .... leave ground vehicle repair to a logistics LAV
Fixed. Honestly it makes sense more for it to be the repairer. It's small and it can move fast. MAV's should be the ones to carry around the ammo and stuff.
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Evolution-7
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
276
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:30:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Evolution-7 wrote:Atiim wrote:Any imput or ideas? .... whoever was worrying about this turning in to a logi assault is stupid. simple... we dont need logi havs .... leave ground vehicle repair to a logistics LAV Fixed. Honestly it makes sense more for it to be the repairer. It's small and it can move fast. MAV's should be the ones to carry around the ammo and stuff.
If MAV carries ammo it may aswell repair, the logi lav WAS a fail.
MAV the driver is covered, has OK resistance, way faster than a tank. lol, tanks can go faster than lavs anyway.
if they do re implement logi lavs, it should be intended for infantry support by resupplying and repairing infantry who get in.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1289
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:38:00 -
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I would prefer a LHV, it's the same but without "A" that means attack. A logi vehicle should trade attack power for defense power and logistic support, in this way we prevent a vehicle from being OP.
I imagine a fat charybdis , a big yellow vehicle that bring happyness to other friendly vehicles
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1046
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:11:00 -
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I personally wouldn't go with a Logi HAV. The fact that they have other logistics vehicles doesn't mean there should be one in a HAV format. I think there are other directions CCP can go in terms of vehicle variety, though I think the HAV should be limited in that regard, being the crowning jewel of being a giant freaking vehicle that does lots of damage.
Keep in mind mechs and MAVs are on the horizon for ground vehicles, and fighters for the air.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3289
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:19:00 -
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Man, MAVs have been SoonGäó'd for so long , that I completely forgot about them.
Honestly, a Logistics MAV seems like a much better idea.
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Alam Storm
Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
59
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Posted - 2014.01.11 12:29:00 -
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i dont like the idea of logi HAV its hard enough atm taking a tank out without adding more hp to it
if they were willing to put HAV on the field bu give it little fire power say anti infantry turret then why not making it weaker fighting against normal tanks
other wise it will be another version of the logi suits desiigned for support but people made them into mini versions of a heavy suit
besides i thought logi LAv was taken off the market along with logi dropships? |
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