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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:59:00 -
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So, we've all noticed Viziums being back in the game. As a SCR user, I'm biased. But, I want to know if someone considers them OP, or not.
OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill... |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1180
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:01:00 -
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They also only have a 20 meter effective range. I think it's like 60-80 meters. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1755
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:01:00 -
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8213 wrote:So, we've all noticed Viziums being back in the game. As a SCR user, I'm biased. But, I want to know if someone considers them OP, or not.
OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill...
The laser rifle are UP. pls dont do this to yourself and delete this thread.TY |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1805
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:01:00 -
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Snipers have the most range. LRs don't reload quickly, and cooldown is a greater concern anyway. They don't have to be skilled into; the Viziam is barely better than the standard.
Before I go into greater detail, it would just seem that you dom't know what you're talking about. Did you get microwaved by any chance? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3011
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:04:00 -
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8213 wrote:So, we've all noticed Viziums being back in the game. As a SCR user, I'm biased. But, I want to know if someone considers them OP, or not.
OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill... Nah Viziam, like all Lasers are good, but not that good, only slightly better than a standard laser. |
8213
Grade No.2
368
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:07:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Snipers have the most range. LRs don't reload quickly, and cooldown is a greater concern anyway. They don't have to be skilled into; the Viziam is barely better than the standard.
Before I go into greater detail, it would just seem that you dom't know what you're talking about. Did you get microwaved by any chance? Thanks for not reading my post
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PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
72
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:07:00 -
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I se problems with all weapons, and the problem is that we are missing there counterparts. |
SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
271
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:09:00 -
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Not op at all, sucks when you are caught with one after they preheated them and you melt, but that is more good positioning on their part and terrible positioning on yours. Its not like back in chrome where you would just get melted from the redline. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
742
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:10:00 -
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8213 wrote:So, we've all noticed Viziums being back in the game. As a SCR user, I'm biased. But, I want to know if someone considers them OP, or not.
OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill...
I must be amazing because I can hip fire charged shots and spam regular shots, no aiming needed at all most of the time.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
742
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:12:00 -
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No I don't think they are op and could do with being 18 DPS at proto I think. |
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8213
Grade No.2
368
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:8213 wrote:So, we've all noticed Viziums being back in the game. As a SCR user, I'm biased. But, I want to know if someone considers them OP, or not.
OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill... Nah Viziam, like all Lasers are good, but not that good, only slightly better than a standard laser.
Perhaps, but there time to kill is very high. A Vizium can accidentally nick you, and you're a goner at over 100m. Besides a Plasma Cannon they deliver the most lethality at range than anything.. An AR, SCR,, SR, or MD can't kill as fast as a Vizium at the added safety of range.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3011
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:14:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:I se problems with all weapons, and the problem is that we are missing there counterparts. There will never be a laser counter part. Its an Amarrian unique weapon, like I am sure the Swarm Launcher or the Forge Gun will be for the Caldari. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:16:00 -
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8213 wrote: OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. Uh, That's MAX Range. It only deals appreciable damage within a 20 meter section of it. So, it is basically a weapon with a 20 meter range. herp-a-derp. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage. EXTREME Feedback Damage. 175, STANDARD. It gets more murderous the better the gun gets.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill...
ScR is a fair bit better then the LR overall, but the LR beats the ScR/ Tac within that 20 meters. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1805
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:23:00 -
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8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Snipers have the most range. LRs don't reload quickly, and cooldown is a greater concern anyway. They don't have to be skilled into; the Viziam is barely better than the standard.
Before I go into greater detail, it would just seem that you dom't know what you're talking about. Did you get microwaved by any chance? Thanks for not reading my post
What makes you think I didn't? |
8213
Grade No.2
368
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:29:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Snipers have the most range. LRs don't reload quickly, and cooldown is a greater concern anyway. They don't have to be skilled into; the Viziam is barely better than the standard.
Before I go into greater detail, it would just seem that you dom't know what you're talking about. Did you get microwaved by any chance? Thanks for not reading my post What makes you think I didn't?
Because you reread mine again, then went back and edited yours... I don't take Stupid Pills |
8213
Grade No.2
368
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:32:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:8213 wrote: OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. Uh, That's MAX Range. It only deals appreciable damage within a 20 meter section of it. So, it is basically a weapon with a 20 meter range. herp-a-derp. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage. EXTREME Feedback Damage. 175, STANDARD. It gets more murderous the better the gun gets.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill...
ScR is a fair bit better then the LR overall, but the LR beats the ScR/ Tac within that 20 meters.
Are you saying the LR is a CQC weapon??? That's why LR users run Scout and get up in your face all the time...
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1805
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:33:00 -
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8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Snipers have the most range. LRs don't reload quickly, and cooldown is a greater concern anyway. They don't have to be skilled into; the Viziam is barely better than the standard.
Before I go into greater detail, it would just seem that you dom't know what you're talking about. Did you get microwaved by any chance? Thanks for not reading my post What makes you think I didn't? Because you reread mine again, then went back and edited yours... I don't take Stupid Pills
I posted the first line, then I added more. Nothing was removed or changed. What are you trying to say? |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1760
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:33:00 -
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8213 wrote:So, we've all noticed Viziums being back in the game. As a SCR user, I'm biased. But, I want to know if someone considers them OP, or not.
OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill...
Ok , i'll end this quick
The laser rifle is not OP. WHY? = Its the only weapon that EVEN if you start firing first at optimal range, if the red dot is fast enough to turn he will be able to kill you with any weapon except CQs.
Think of this. Me running my Viziam. Shoot at Red Dot? nice im doing some...uh oh, charged Scrambler irfle shot plus 4 consecutive ones.Im dead. Shoot at another Red Dot? Turns around , Gek to the Face. Shoot a fattie! yay hes mine,Turns around and shoots you with a forge gun Shoot at another red. Turns around owns me with TAC AR.
The thing is,even at optimal range,other weapons outdamage it without having to be ''preheated'' So in order to actually gegood games with it you need to: GÖª Have perfect positioning GÖª Good aiming and even if the AA helps you still need to predict enemy movement in order to get full continous damage bonus. GÖª Start shooting the enemy FIRST, never the other way around.(you'll 90% chance,loose) GÖª Have it loaded (you are never going to kill an ADV + suit with less than 25-40 rounds) GÖª Pray NO other red dot sees you,since the laser weapon is the SLOWEST weapon in doing damage and not good vs multiple enemies shooting at you at the same time GÖª Hope you know your limits and it does not overheat (nice 200+ damage waiting for you there) GÖª You need to have an appropiate dropsuit fit ,since lasers are not the cheapest to equip (not as expensive as Scramblers done)
I could go on , FOREVER..... |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
763
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:35:00 -
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*ahem* viziAm *ahem*
/op |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
448
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:36:00 -
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wow op what r u drinking and can i have some |
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8213
Grade No.2
369
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:38:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Snipers have the most range. LRs don't reload quickly, and cooldown is a greater concern anyway. They don't have to be skilled into; the Viziam is barely better than the standard.
Before I go into greater detail, it would just seem that you dom't know what you're talking about. Did you get microwaved by any chance? Thanks for not reading my post What makes you think I didn't? Because you reread mine again, then went back and edited yours... I don't take Stupid Pills I posted the first line, then I added more. Nothing was removed or changed. What are you trying to say?
... get off my thread, kid. Save yourself the obvious embarrassment you feel the need to conceal. You didn't contribute anything, anyway.
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Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1172
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:43:00 -
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8213 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:8213 wrote: OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. Uh, That's MAX Range. It only deals appreciable damage within a 20 meter section of it. So, it is basically a weapon with a 20 meter range. herp-a-derp. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage. EXTREME Feedback Damage. 175, STANDARD. It gets more murderous the better the gun gets.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill...
ScR is a fair bit better then the LR overall, but the LR beats the ScR/ Tac within that 20 meters. Are you saying the LR is a CQC weapon??? That's why LR users run Scout and get up in your face all the time... No. Its because between like 60 and 80 Meters, the LR deals its most damage |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1805
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:45:00 -
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What am I concealing OP?
Go ahead, enlighten us.
I posted some basic errors in your understanding of laser rifles. So far you've done nothing to address them. Nobody here agrees with your claim, and now you're making vague, baseless accusations and claiming this is "your" thread.
What's the matter with you? |
8213
Grade No.2
369
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:59:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:What am I concealing OP?
Go ahead, enlighten us.
I posted some basic errors in your understanding of laser rifles. So far you've done nothing to address them. Nobody here agrees with your claim, and now you're making vague, baseless accusations and claiming this is "your" thread.
What's the matter with you?
I'm on my mobile, so typing a manifesto is rather difficult. Yes, it is MY thread, and I asked for other's input about the Viziam. You posted one sentence saying the SR had more range.
Obviously, you didn't read were I already posted that. After I told you that you didn't read my post, you went back and changed it and added basic filler from True Adam. who posted after you.
Normally I don't care, I'm used to people only picking out the exact details that only they want to argume against.
I didn't state the LR was OP, I asked if people thought it was. Again, people reading into only what they preconceived not what was actually written.
Now, do you have any idea how long this took on my cellphone??? |
8213
Grade No.2
369
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:05:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:8213 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:[quote=8213] OP
1. They have the most range, besides SRs in the Light category. Uh, That's MAX Range. It only deals appreciable damage within a 20 meter section of it. So, it is basically a weapon with a 20 meter range. herp-a-derp. 2. The projectile can be spammed. 3. They reload rather quickly. 4. Dot sight, no recoil.
Not OP
1. They have to be skilled into; not a pick up and go weapon. 2. Useless within 20m. 3. Feedback damage. EXTREME Feedback Damage. 175, STANDARD. It gets more murderous the better the gun gets.
Anything to add? Remember, I'm an SCR Elitist who thinks my weapon should be the most effective because it takes the most skill... ScR is a fair bit better then the LR overall, but the LR beats the ScR/ Tac within that 20 meters. Are you saying the LR is a CQC weapon??? That's why LR users run Scout and get up in your face all the time...
Now I'm confused. I think the SCR and AR are better than the LR inside 20m. I think the LR is equal-ish 21-50m. But the LR is hands down the winner beyond 50+ Talking strictly about the Viziam. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1805
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:12:00 -
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8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:What am I concealing OP?
Go ahead, enlighten us.
I posted some basic errors in your understanding of laser rifles. So far you've done nothing to address them. Nobody here agrees with your claim, and now you're making vague, baseless accusations and claiming this is "your" thread.
What's the matter with you? I'm on my mobile, so typing a manifesto is rather difficult. Yes, it is MY thread, and I asked for other's input about the Viziam. You posted one sentence saying the SR had more range. Obviously, you didn't read were I already posted that. After I told you that you didn't read my post, you went back and changed it and added basic filler from True Adam. who posted after you. Normally I don't care, I'm used to people only picking out the exact details that only they want to argume against. I didn't state the LR was OP, I asked if people thought it was. Again, people reading into only what they preconceived not what was actually written. Now, do you have any idea how long this took on my cellphone???
Wait, you're saying I'm concealing something I described doing in this very thread? And now you're still completely avoiding the actual criticisms I've presented.
This isn't your thread to decide who comes or stays. The only thing you own about it is whatever ideas you express therein. So spare me the authoritarian talk. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
855
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:33:00 -
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8213 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:What am I concealing OP?
Go ahead, enlighten us.
I posted some basic errors in your understanding of laser rifles. So far you've done nothing to address them. Nobody here agrees with your claim, and now you're making vague, baseless accusations and claiming this is "your" thread.
What's the matter with you? I'm on my mobile, so typing a manifesto is rather difficult. Yes, it is MY thread, and I asked for other's input about the Viziam. You posted one sentence saying the SR had more range. Obviously, you didn't read were I already posted that. After I told you that you didn't read my post, you went back and changed it and added basic filler from True Adam. who posted after you. Normally I don't care, I'm used to people only picking out the exact details that only they want to argume against. I didn't state the LR was OP, I asked if people thought it was. Again, people reading into only what they preconceived not what was actually written. Now, do you have any idea how long this took on my cellphone???
Viziam? WorthLESS Basic laser? worthMORE than a PROTOTYPE weapon...lol.
Its PATHETIC when a BASIC weapon is as good as it gets. |
Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
162
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Posted - 2013.10.15 01:00:00 -
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Lasers are only good in their optimal (65-85m).
Outside of the optimal the damage drops to 10% or so in 3m so they're useless at longer ranges. Inside the optimal the "falloff" isn't as ridiculous but everyone else is doing more damage so a laser is going to have a real hard time competing.
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