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Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:21:00 -
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I encourage EVERYONE that wants to play a fast scout suit to get those. It took me months (because I took some breaks because the shotguns were broken until 1.4).
Such an SP sink to get KinCats to 5, but with 2 Complex ones in your low slots, this is a different game! I enjoy my paperthin fast-"sneaking" backstabbing killmobile .... I die a lot (that's me, not the suit) but it's so much more fun now than without those KinCats :D
A shame that I can't fit 2 AND a scanner on a medium scout suit. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
2012
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:24:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:I encourage EVERYONE that wants to play a fast scout suit to get those. It took me months (because I took some breaks because the shotguns were broken until 1.4).
Such an SP sink to get KinCats to 5, but with 2 Complex ones in your low slots, this is a different game! I enjoy my paperthin fast-"sneaking" backstabbing killmobile .... I die a lot (that's me, not the suit) but it's so much more fun now than without those KinCats :D
A shame that I can't fit 2 AND a scanner on a medium scout suit.
"Medium scout suit"? |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1285
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:25:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Frank Olson Usul wrote:I encourage EVERYONE that wants to play a fast scout suit to get those. It took me months (because I took some breaks because the shotguns were broken until 1.4).
Such an SP sink to get KinCats to 5, but with 2 Complex ones in your low slots, this is a different game! I enjoy my paperthin fast-"sneaking" backstabbing killmobile .... I die a lot (that's me, not the suit) but it's so much more fun now than without those KinCats :D
A shame that I can't fit 2 AND a scanner on a medium scout suit. "Medium scout suit"?
My thoughts exactly. Highlights quite a problem with real scout suits, no? |
Bleeding Knight
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
37
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:26:00 -
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 I have the "Dren" Scout suit and most efficient I can make with it is 2x Kin cats, BPO: Shotty and SMG. It's super cheap and get close in gaps quickly, running cover to cover, in a few cases I was able to get within shotty distance of heavies and ar that shooting at me, and get the kill. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4487
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:29:00 -
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There is no such thing as a medium scout suit.
Scout suits are light. Regardless, that speed will hardly help now that hit detection has been vastly improved with weapons and thus you are still relatively easy to gun down. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:31:00 -
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Bleeding Knight wrote: I have the "Dren" Scout suit and most efficient I can make with it is 2x Kin cats, BPO: Shotty and SMG. It's super cheap and get close in gaps quickly, running cover to cover, in a few cases I was able to get within shotty distance of heavies and ar that shooting at me, and get the kill.
Wouldn't you use other blueprints (of you have them?) I think CCP clarified that only the BPOs that need a certain skill give the bonus of the skill. So if you have the .. what's it called ... not the raven ... that other Scout BPO ... then you also get your scoutbonus. |
Bleeding Knight
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
38
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:31:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no such thing as a medium scout suit.
Scout suits are light. Regardless, that speed will hardly help now that hit detection has been vastly improved with weapons and thus you are still relatively easy to gun down.
Tell that to heavies who have to watch scouts jump over them. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:31:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no such thing as a medium scout suit.
Scout suits are light. Regardless, that speed will hardly help now that hit detection has been vastly improved with weapons and thus you are still relatively easy to gun down.
As I said, I kill people from behind most of the time. And with 2 complex kincats you can even fight single guys from upront and run after 1-2 hits and come back when your shields are up again. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
4154
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no such thing as a medium scout suit.
Scout suits are light. Regardless, that speed will hardly help now that hit detection has been vastly improved with weapons and thus you are still relatively easy to gun down.
He either meant one of two things:
1. ADV light frame suit
2. Scout suits are easily replaceable by a medium with cats, in which case this thread is another "Buff Scouts" thread.
EDIT: OP's edit confirms #1. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:33:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no such thing as a medium scout suit.
Scout suits are light. Regardless, that speed will hardly help now that hit detection has been vastly improved with weapons and thus you are still relatively easy to gun down.
I changed the typo ... when I typed "medium" my brain meant "the middle one" -> Advanced (standard -> advanced -> Proto, since I save all my fittings with the number of the skill that I need ,so
G Scout3 SG3 KinCats5 Is an advanced shotgunscout with an advanced shotgun and complex kincats .... sorry |
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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
Ascension Alliance
606
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:33:00 -
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I want comp kins too! Being fast is a rush, getting a knife kill while sprinting is a rush. Like you say, it's a different game only scouts can play |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
2017
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:45:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:Bleeding Knight wrote: I have the "Dren" Scout suit and most efficient I can make with it is 2x Kin cats, BPO: Shotty and SMG. It's super cheap and get close in gaps quickly, running cover to cover, in a few cases I was able to get within shotty distance of heavies and ar that shooting at me, and get the kill. Wouldn't you use other blueprints (of you have them?) I think CCP clarified that only the BPOs that need a certain skill give the bonus of the skill. So if you have the .. what's it called ... not the raven ... that other Scout BPO ... then you also get your scoutbonus.
Valor. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
2017
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:46:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:There is no such thing as a medium scout suit.
Scout suits are light. Regardless, that speed will hardly help now that hit detection has been vastly improved with weapons and thus you are still relatively easy to gun down. I changed the typo ... when I typed "medium" my brain meant "the middle one" -> Advanced (standard -> advanced -> Proto, since I save all my fittings with the number of the skill that I need ,so G Scout3 SG3 KinCats5 Is an advanced shotgunscout with an advanced shotgun and complex kincats .... sorry
Thanks for clarifying. - was a bit confusseled for a moment. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1755
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:53:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:I encourage EVERYONE that wants to play a fast scout suit to get those. It took me months (because I took some breaks because the shotguns were broken until 1.4).
Such an SP sink to get KinCats to 5, but with 2 Complex ones in your low slots, this is a different game! I enjoy my paperthin fast-"sneaking" backstabbing killmobile .... I die a lot (that's me, not the suit) but it's so much more fun now than without those KinCats :D
A shame that I can't fit 2 AND a scanner on a advanced (not medium, sorry, typo) scout suit.
Kinkat + Cardiac reg.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1804
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:56:00 -
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I have four of them on a logi.
Fun times. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
755
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:29:00 -
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You should try stacking 4 of them on a Gallente Scout. According to the Dust 514 Fitting Tool, you'll move 11+ M/S :D |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1554
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:47:00 -
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Speed tanking is fun, but it doesn't work. Hasn't since 1.2.
Cmp KinCats aren't worth the SP for a Scout. My two cents as a would-be speed tanker. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1839
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:53:00 -
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I love my complex speed mods. They used to give a bigger bonus ;_; |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
755
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:55:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:You should try stacking 4 of them on a Gallente Scout. According to the Dust 514 Fitting Tool, you'll move 11+ M/S :D
Now I'm anxious to try this T_T |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1433
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:57:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Speed tanking is fun, but it doesn't work. Hasn't since 1.2.
Cmp KinCats aren't worth the SP for a Scout. My two cents as a would-be speed tanker.
Adapt or die those assault bastards say, the hell do they need to adapt to, the recent fotm getting balenced? |
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Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:23:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:I want comp kins too! Being fast is a rush, getting a knife kill while sprinting is a rush. Like you say, it's a different game only scouts can play
I tried a knife-only suit 2 times and stopped it immediately. If enemys sprint you can't hit them, and if you come from behind there are only 2 kinds of players: Snipers (not moving) and the rest of the people (sprinting or in a fight with your team)... since a scout shouldn't be too close to his team (-> gets shot), you only have a few snipers to kill. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:24:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Frank Olson Usul wrote:Bleeding Knight wrote: I have the "Dren" Scout suit and most efficient I can make with it is 2x Kin cats, BPO: Shotty and SMG. It's super cheap and get close in gaps quickly, running cover to cover, in a few cases I was able to get within shotty distance of heavies and ar that shooting at me, and get the kill. Wouldn't you use other blueprints (of you have them?) I think CCP clarified that only the BPOs that need a certain skill give the bonus of the skill. So if you have the .. what's it called ... not the raven ... that other Scout BPO ... then you also get your scoutbonus. The MAG tribute suits are: Valor (scout) Raven (assault) Sever (logistics)
Oh they are tributes to that older game? I never played MAG. So those suitnames are derived from that game? Nice. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:25:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I have four of them on a logi.
Fun times.
You evil, evil person ;D Does he sprint faster than 10 meters per second with 4 complex ones? |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:26:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Speed tanking is fun, but it doesn't work. Hasn't since 1.2.
Cmp KinCats aren't worth the SP for a Scout.
My two cents as a former and would-be speed tanker.
Remember, a high end AR can kill you in 1/3 of a second, regardless of how fast you sprint.
There's bad information in this thread, newbro Scouts. Beware.
IF you READ what most of us where talking about, you wouldn't have needed to post that comment.
It's not about speedTANKING, but about speed giving the possibility to attack people from behind and run away fast.
That still works very well. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:51:00 -
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I have two suit goals that are hard to fit on an advanced gallente frame:
Scout with scanner, hacking devices and 2 kincats: Avoid enemy contact altogether (with the scanner) and ninja-hack everything.
... and I just forget the 2nd one ;D
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Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
Public Disorder.
155
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:16:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:I have two suit goals that are hard to fit on an advanced gallente frame:
Scout with scanner, hacking devices and 2 kincats: Avoid enemy contact altogether (with the scanner) and ninja-hack everything.
... and I just forget the 2nd one ;D
That would certainly be cool - although it's actually impossible to achieve at the moment. Hacking devices and kincats are both low slot items - of which you only have two on the advanced gallente scout. So you're one slot short.
Of course, if CCP decided to do the sensible thing and let the advanced suit have 1 high slot and 3 low slots, thus making a more natural progression towards the proto suit, it would be a wholly different case  |
Wombat in combat
TeamPlayers
EoN.
111
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:23:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Speed tanking is fun, but it doesn't work. Hasn't since 1.2.
Cmp KinCats aren't worth the SP for a Scout.
My two cents as a former and would-be speed tanker.
Remember, a high end AR can kill you in 1/3 of a second, regardless of how fast you sprint.
There's bad information in this thread, newbro Scouts. Beware. True you can't speed tank while trying to gun people down but for other applications it works wonders.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
819
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:02:00 -
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Wow. This was something we were doing back in Chromosome. Earlier than that come to think of it.
Thanks for the news.  |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
1081
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:10:00 -
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I used to speed tank my minmatar logi back in the closed beta.
Except that now a basic plate gives me more survivability than a complex kin cat...and I don't have to level two skills to 5 in order to use them.
oh well, speed isn't my thing anymore. |
Eyemakerwet
R 0 N 1 N
102
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:22:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:You should try stacking 4 of them on a Gallente Scout. According to the Dust 514 Fitting Tool, you'll move 11+ M/S :D
11.11mps. Its fast as hell. The real rush is when ur armor is gone and ur left with 87 sheilds. Nothing like it. |
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