DUST Search - Breaking Dust - Part 2 Aim hacking the AA Creating a mouse with AA

TERMINALANCE wrote:

Breaking
Dust

Part 2 on the series of Breaking Dust. We look at AA abuse through the use of a mouse simulator for the PS3

Dust Has a very prominent AA for controller users to help them compete with mouse users. However this is being exploited by pro players for a even greater edge.

They are using the mouse to PS3 converters like the eagleeye and others like it to gain both the use of a mouse and the AA advantage in pro matches.

Corps are planning to use this new edge in the squad tourney to assure a easy victory over their disadvantaged opponents. This tactic is newly discovered but as you can guess its impact on a match would be huge. The rounds on target you can achieve with this hybrid aiming system are astronomical, especially at close ranges and when shooting for the head.

Many of the pro corps have plans in the works to do this in secret, both from members who would disapprove and from any outside prying eyes.

This method is currently in the testing stage, but will become operational shortly. They are working out the kinks and improving the settings and should reach full effect in a very short amount of time.

That is the end of the segment on AA breaking in Dust, feel free to add your own knowledge below.

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TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 212	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:43:00 - [1] - Quote Breaking Dust Part 2 on the series of Breaking Dust. We look at AA abuse through the use of a mouse simulator for the PS3 Dust Has a very prominent AA for controller users to help them compete with mouse users. However this is being exploited by pro players for a even greater edge. They are using the mouse to PS3 converters like the eagleeye and others like it to gain both the use of a mouse and the AA advantage in pro matches. Corps are planning to use this new edge in the squad tourney to assure a easy victory over their disadvantaged opponents. This tactic is newly discovered but as you can guess its impact on a match would be huge. The rounds on target you can achieve with this hybrid aiming system are astronomical, especially at close ranges and when shooting for the head. Many of the pro corps have plans in the works to do this in secret, both from members who would disapprove and from any outside prying eyes. This method is currently in the testing stage, but will become operational shortly. They are working out the kinks and improving the settings and should reach full effect in a very short amount of time. That is the end of the segment on AA breaking in Dust, feel free to add your own knowledge below.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 175	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:58:00 - [2] - Quote We got a conspiracy theorist here ladies and gentlemen.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1625	Posted - 2013.10.13 20:02:00 - [3] - Quote This is an alt of the guy who was threatening to do exactly this a short while back... something about a tournament if you'll recall.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 843	Posted - 2013.10.13 20:34:00 - [4] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Breaking Dust Part 2 on the series of Breaking Dust. We look at AA abuse through the use of a mouse simulator for the PS3 Dust Has a very prominent AA for controller users to help them compete with mouse users. However this is being exploited by pro players for a even greater edge. They are using the mouse to PS3 converters like the eagleeye and others like it to gain both the use of a mouse and the AA advantage in pro matches. Corps are planning to use this new edge in the squad tourney to assure a easy victory over their disadvantaged opponents. This tactic is newly discovered but as you can guess its impact on a match would be huge. The rounds on target you can achieve with this hybrid aiming system are astronomical, especially at close ranges and when shooting for the head. Many of the pro corps have plans in the works to do this in secret, both from members who would disapprove and from any outside prying eyes. This method is currently in the testing stage, but will become operational shortly. They are working out the kinks and improving the settings and should reach full effect in a very short amount of time. That is the end of the segment on AA breaking in Dust, feel free to add your own knowledge below. Tournament? Did not participate last one and neither will I in this one. Fixes: PS3 AC Black Flag, Batman, BF4, Diablo 3, Castlevania, Ghosts, Injustice, XCOM, Watchdogs, GT6 PS4 November 14th.
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 47	Posted - 2013.10.13 20:57:00 - [5] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: ... This tactic is newly discovered ... Newly?
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 218	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:29:00 - [6] - Quote Eversor Beercase wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: ... This tactic is newly discovered ... Newly? A month ago is pretty new, I'm telling you about how things have moved forward since then, try to keep up.
Cosgar ParagonX 5967	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:40:00 - [7] - Quote Just to make things clearl, M/KB support is so bad, people have to do this. I stopped using M/KB months ago because I can't map my own keys, there's no raw input available and the DS3 is just better by comparison.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1754	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:41:00 - [8] - Quote And what you thing CCP can do about it ? The Eagle Eye is not new, have been around for long time. The full "nerfing the mouse" idea was stupid specifically because devices like that, if anything, by nerfing the mouse CCP have put honest mouse users in a disadvantage.
Cosgar ParagonX 5968	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote Aren't all the top players DS3 users?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9383	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:57:00 - [10] - Quote Knew about this about a year ago... same tool different exploit.

KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 819	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:40:00 - [11] - Quote What is the big deal? Whenever or where ever you have people playing across a net (versus in the same room) you will have this. Some disadvantaged players actually need this level of support to even play the game. CCP/Shanghai promised key/button remapping quite a long time ago. However, what they provided was different layouts for the controls. That was a language barrier I would suspect, however we did not get rebinding of buttons and keys. If you require that level of support to play the game ... well. So what? Aim Assist is a joke and it was poorly done by CCP/Shanghai. That is not a surprise either. So run AA and be quiet. Alternate input devices should not really change the game play. If it does, the programmers should be address it. They won't. If some combination has a significant advantage I can state with assurance that gamers will find it. They are gamers and gaming systems is what they do. Where is your other post? Was it about the horrors of lag switches? They are new as well. If you don't already know about them.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 669	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:11:00 - [12] - Quote Realistically, CCP should give KB/M users some manner of aim assist so they can at least compete against auto-aim users. Aim assist has become way too powerful compared to KB/M being only a little advantaged before. I personally wouldn't use a trick like this, but I've also been basically removed from infantry gunplay due to how OP controllers are with aim assist.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6951	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:16:00 - [13] - Quote I played Halo 2 online through two years of rampant modding. My tolerance for bull **** in a game is pretty high.
Cosgar ParagonX 5980	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:16:00 - [14] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Realistically, CCP should give KB/M users some manner of aim assist so they can at least compete against auto-aim users. Aim assist has become way too powerful compared to KB/M being only a little advantaged before. I personally wouldn't use a trick like this, but I've also been basically removed from infantry gunplay due to how OP controllers are with aim assist. The more I play, the less I think it's about AA and more about inflated hit boxes. Been testing out ARs and SMGs lately and you literally never miss as long as you're firing in the general direction of your intended target.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 669	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:41:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: The more I play, the less I think it's about AA and more about inflated hit boxes. Been testing out ARs and SMGs lately and you literally never miss as long as you're firing in the general direction of your intended target. I would agree, if not for the following test: I am a dedicated FPS player with years of heavy keyboard and mouse only play. Since 1.4, I have a near non-existent ability to kill things. I go 0 kills for entire matches now, and KDRs of 1/8 are common for me in this patch. I have not played an FPS with a controller... really ever. Mostly because I'm extremely bad at it, and have never before killed something with one. Picked it up in 1.4, got two kills with ease in a short span of time. Given how bad I am with a controller, and how generally practiced I am with a keyboard, if I'm doing better with the controller than my keyboard, there's something off with game balance.
Cosgar ParagonX 5984	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:52:00 - [16] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Cosgar wrote: The more I play, the less I think it's about AA and more about inflated hit boxes. Been testing out ARs and SMGs lately and you literally never miss as long as you're firing in the general direction of your intended target. I would agree, if not for the following test: I am a dedicated FPS player with years of heavy keyboard and mouse only play. Since 1.4, I have a near non-existent ability to kill things. I go 0 kills for entire matches now, and KDRs of 1/8 are common for me in this patch. I have not played an FPS with a controller... really ever. Mostly because I'm extremely bad at it, and have never before killed something with one. Picked it up in 1.4, got two kills with ease in a short span of time. Given how bad I am with a controller, and how generally practiced I am with a keyboard, if I'm doing better with the controller than my keyboard, there's something off with game balance. I'm in the same boat as you. Outside of key mapping options, everything was just about spot on in Chromosome. Whatever they did in Uprising was a huge step back and I've been so frustrated, that I just gave up M/KB for the DS3- even increased my KDR a few tenths too. But it's not just AA, screwing things up. I already mention hit boxes, but all the other fixes to compensate for aiming issues pre-1.4 like the 10% damage buff on all weapons and the ninja fixes to weapon kick/dispersion inadvertently turned this into an arcade FPS again. Even Halo has better TTK and that's with 0 character customization. It takes months to build your toon in Dust and all that adds up to an extra 0.002 seconds of survivability in a proto suit- WTF?
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 266	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:57:00 - [17] - Quote They honestly need to go back and remove all the tweaks they made to make up for hit detection problems, remove the 10% damage bonus, remove the tweaks to kick and dispersion and give the AR it's short optimal again.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 669	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:59:00 - [18] - Quote We played a standard-only weapons and dropsuits PC match a few weeks ago, and I thought the TTK was actually pretty on-target for that match. They really just need to nerf the crud out of damage across the board to increase TTK. If I can get that, I'll even tolerate my current crippled aiming compared to controller users.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 252	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:13:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Knew about this about a year ago... same tool different exploit. And as a member of the CPM, what have you done about it in all of you communication sessions with CCP Devs? Not much of a representative of the community I would imagine?
Cosgar ParagonX 5985	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:17:00 - [20] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: They honestly need to go back and remove all the tweaks they made to make up for hit detection problems, remove the 10% damage bonus, remove the tweaks to kick and dispersion and give the AR it's short optimal again. Soraya Xel wrote: We played a standard-only weapons and dropsuits PC match a few weeks ago, and I thought the TTK was actually pretty on-target for that match. They really just need to nerf the crud out of damage across the board to increase TTK. If I can get that, I'll even tolerate my current crippled aiming compared to controller users. There's a topic about this.

Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1846	Posted - 2013.10.14 05:40:00 - [21] - Quote OP isn't wrong.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 69	Posted - 2013.10.14 05:47:00 - [22] - Quote Noone gives a ****. Next.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 119	Posted - 2013.10.14 05:51:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Knew about this about a year ago... same tool different exploit. Please bring this to the attention of CCP at your next opportunity. It is a fundamental feature of console FPS that hardware advantages are kept to a minimum. If I wanted to be in a technological arms race I'd be playing a PC shooter.
Cosgar ParagonX 5992	Posted - 2013.10.14 06:18:00 - [24] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Knew about this about a year ago... same tool different exploit. Please bring this to the attention of CCP at your next opportunity. It is a fundamental feature of console FPS that hardware advantages are kept to a minimum. If I wanted to be in a technological arms race I'd be playing a PC shooter. I hope you realize that this will end with a M/KB buff so that people don't have to resort to this just to be on par with DS3.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 677	Posted - 2013.10.14 07:14:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Cosgar wrote: The more I play, the less I think it's about AA and more about inflated hit boxes. Been testing out ARs and SMGs lately and you literally never miss as long as you're firing in the general direction of your intended target. I would agree, if not for the following test: I am a dedicated FPS player with years of heavy keyboard and mouse only play. Since 1.4, I have a near non-existent ability to kill things. I go 0 kills for entire matches now, and KDRs of 1/8 are common for me in this patch. I have not played an FPS with a controller... really ever. Mostly because I'm extremely bad at it, and have never before killed something with one. Picked it up in 1.4, got two kills with ease in a short span of time. Given how bad I am with a controller, and how generally practiced I am with a keyboard, if I'm doing better with the controller than my keyboard, there's something off with game balance. I have no idea how it is possible for someone with years of FPS experience to go 0 kills in any single givin match, Hello Kitty Online is not an FPS game btw.... I can have bad matches like anyone else, but on average i go 30+ kills a match with my KBM setup (Razor Mouse, Razor KB, Razor Mousemat), i do die more because of AA or the hitboxes fix, but ive never gone 0 kills....i don't know how...
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 302	Posted - 2013.10.14 07:52:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Even Halo has better TTK and that's with 0 character customization. It takes months to build your toon in Dust and all that adds up to an extra 0.002 seconds of survivability in a proto suit- WTF? This is just making stuff up, really. Dust has one of the longest TTKs in the market today, Every other shooter available has gone down the tactical / cover route where 2-5 hits (or 1-2 headshot hits) = dead.
Cosgar ParagonX 5992	Posted - 2013.10.14 08:02:00 - [27] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Cosgar wrote: Even Halo has better TTK and that's with 0 character customization. It takes months to build your toon in Dust and all that adds up to an extra 0.002 seconds of survivability in a proto suit- WTF? This is just making stuff up, really. Dust has one of the longest TTKs in the market today, Every other shooter available has gone down the tactical / cover route where 2-5 hits (or 1-2 headshot hits) = dead. Halo Reach Dust 514 Headshots aside, there's nothing tactical about modern FPS with the exception of Red Orchestra. If you want tactical, you have to go all the way back to older Tom Clancy franchises and that one military FPS made by the US Army. (Can't remember the name right now) Few maps have cover in Dust, speed, shields, and armor are your cover.
Beld Errmon Evocatius 995	Posted - 2013.10.14 08:12:00 - [28] - Quote I miss the Chromosome KB/M when uprising came in I became sht overnight, im still pretty terrible in a gun fight but shrug* I can just spam grenades and mass drivers to stay in the game, oh and tanks.
Faquira Bleuetta TeamPlayers EoN. 130	Posted - 2013.10.14 09:16:00 - [29] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I miss the Chromosome KB/M when uprising came in I became sht overnight, im still pretty terrible in a gun fight but shrug* I can just spam grenades and mass drivers to stay in the game, oh and tanks. good
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1761	Posted - 2013.10.14 09:23:00 - [30] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Knew about this about a year ago... same tool different exploit. And as a member of the CPM, what have you done about it in all of you communication sessions with CCP Devs? Not much of a representative of the community I would imagine? They nerfed the mouse.. where you been ? Typical CCP; they find a problem, misinterpret the issue, nerf the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, they lose lots of players because of it, and then they scratch their head wondering what the **** just happen.



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