It was one of our initial design goals but I agree it is lacking right now.

Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant.

It was one of our initial design goals but I agree it is lacking right now.

Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant.

Meh.

scrap the current clone packs, the original proposal was much more interesting, it made SI relevant as a research center lowered clone loss over distance and it gave certain systems strategic value as some systems distance from each other gave them a defensive/offensive advantage.

Ok we won't bother then

Ok we won't bother then

Ok we won't bother then

That means more time spent on my Amarrian tank then, right?

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Gimmie my damn Amarrian tank and rollover SP.

Ok we won't bother then

It was one of our initial design goals but I agree it is lacking right now.

Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant.

That means more time spent on my Amarrian tank then, right?

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Gimmie my damn Amarrian tank and rollover SP.

I think if I worked on an amarr tank design it would end up looking a lot more minmatar. You can design vehicles by cutting out bits of paper and gluing them together right?

Ok we won't bother then

It was one of our initial design goals but I agree it is lacking right now.

Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant.

Location, so important in so many things, but so meaningless in Planetary Conquest. CCP promised that Planetary Conquest would be tactical like the board game Risk, but introduction of unlimited Clone Packs changed that. Now every planet is the same from a strategic point of view and there are no defined battle lines.

I implore CCP to make Location relevant again! Make Clone Packs only deployable from High Sec systems, with the same clone death rates for travel as when you move clones from a District.

This would mean border systems would still be open to new Corps trying to get into Planetary Conquest, while systems deeper into Low Sec could only be attacked by people who owned a district close by. It would give systems deep in Low Sec a greater tactical advantage. It would also create battle lines and make it interesting to look at the district ownership map.

If CCP wanted even more control over the tactical situation they could have Clone Packs only deployable from Genolution stations/facilities, which they could place in High Sec systems bordering Low Sec, and then to expand PC in the future they would simply open another Genolution station/facility on the boarder of another Low Sec Region.

Yeah that was obviously the idea, the location you generated the clones at was super important, and moving them came at a cost / risk. Clone packs are the broken element in the current design though and we're going to fix that. We're not going to go into too much detail on all that yet, but everyone will get a chance to offer feedback before we do any changes.

Bu, bu, but I thought spamming droplinks, grenades and roof FGs only to run around like a herd of wild animals dancing to the redline was strategy? No?

It was one of our initial design goals but I agree it is lacking right now.

Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant.

requesting planetary Statues!

The problem with your solution is there are no such barriers in EVE. A capital ship (which I'm assuming is what a battle barge is) can just cyno into any low or null sec system. Yours is a 2D fix to a 3D environment. However, they could definitely implement things like neutral spaceport districts on an actual map being the only places you can start a planetary invasion from to mitigate some of your concerns.

Personally, I think it would be cool if they went in the direction of cost over distance as the main barrier to corps and alliances hopping all over the map at will.

Every player should have a current home or district where they are currently based from. For PC battles, you should have to pay for transport for everyone involved. If you are on the same planet, it would be next to nothing, a small amount for the same system, a lot more to a different constellation, and so on.... This would have no effect on public or FW matches, but it would be interesting if there was a cooldown timer on home changes with penalty charges to transfer before the cooldiwn is up. If they ever expanded PC to other regions or introduced a null sec sov raiding feature, where your clone is located could have a big impact.

I also think the metagame would be incredible if vehicles used in PC were corp assets. Throw in similar travel costs as mentioned above and I think you could build a risk-like metagame, with the barriers being cost, not invisible space fences.

The problem with your solution is there are no such barriers in EVE. A capital ship (which I'm assuming is what a battle barge is) can just cyno into any low or null sec system. Yours is a 2D fix to a 3D environment. However, they could definitely implement things like neutral spaceport districts on an actual map being the only places you can start a planetary invasion from to mitigate some of your concerns.

Personally, I think it would be cool if they went in the direction of cost over distance as the main barrier to corps and alliances hopping all over the map at will.

Every player should have a current home or district where they are currently based from. For PC battles, you should have to pay for transport for everyone involved. If you are on the same planet, it would be next to nothing, a small amount for the same system, a lot more to a different constellation, and so on.... This would have no effect on public or FW matches, but it would be interesting if there was a cooldown timer on home changes with penalty charges to transfer before the cooldiwn is up. If they ever expanded PC to other regions or introduced a null sec sov raiding feature, where your clone is located could have a big impact.

I also think the metagame would be incredible if vehicles used in PC were corp assets. Throw in similar travel costs as mentioned above and I think you could build a risk-like metagame, with the barriers being cost, not invisible space fences.

Round abouts when is Planetary Conquest 2.0 slated, this year or next year?

Yea has this game been released yet or is this still open beta?
I would think if this was a release product many of the core issues would be written in stone and that additions would be in the form of different gear and variations of gear. Maybe even new maps and such. Instead we have a game that is still trying to figure out many of the core mechanics and how to get the controllers just right.
Myself i still think controller play is lacking. There is no real fine movement everything is very much gross movement. It takes a whole of of movement of the stick just to start moving or to turn.

Actually there are barriers, 1 fuel costs for jump capable and bridge capable ships can get pretty expensive, and they have a limited range. They get around faster than using gate travel but every time you light a cyno it sends out a huge becon to everyone in the area HEY GUYS CAPITAL SHIPS HERE!!!!.
Secondly in sov space there are cyno jammers, they prevent all cynos, both friendly and enemy from being lit in the area, the way friendly caps get around is you can load up cyno beacons and jump bridges to friendly towers giving people a jump bridge network.

I am fairly sure the Battle Barge is not a Capital ship. It would use jump gates just like most other ships.

Also, the clone death mechanic is the one already in place. I was only suggesting that they stop circumventing this mechanic on the clone packs. It would make sense that you would only be able to buy clone packs in High Sec.

You are suggesting a completely new mechanic.

I figured the barge was like a JF, capable of both jumping and using gates. Of course, it can be either to justify whatever game mechanic is in place at any given time.



And one that is vague, not completely thought out, and something that wouldn't be needed until they expand to other areas of New Eden. They aren't even hinting at that right now.

+1 Fox.

I agree and made the same points when PC was a week old. CCP has managed to completely short-circuit any game design they might have done on PC by implementing clone packs in their current form.

I do think that it's only a placeholder mechanic, but it is a destructive placeholder mechanic - It's war without terrain, and it makes PC so uninteresting that i can't force myself to be interested and don't want to take part.

And connecting PC to geopolitics and the resource wars, which i am constantly pointing out is the only way to make DUST relevant and worthwhile, won't help. It would be adding a cash incentive to something fundamentally distasteful.

The cross-region magic clone teleport game mechanic is bad. It can't be prettied up or glossed over. It needs to go.