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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:11:00 -
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This game is 90% about whether you are in the right place at the right time, and 10% about whether your gear is better. If you have the high ground or are behind the enemy, they're yours. But vice-versa, if the enemy flank you, you're theirs. Regardless of gear or weapons, whether they have a militia AR or a proto mass driver, they will kill you.
Stop complaining about imbalanced weapons, and figure out that it is just because you let yourself die by walking into enemy lines so recklessly. |
Sleepy Zan
TeamPlayers EoN.
2522
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:18:00 -
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Thank you for your expert obsrevation |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
997
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:20:00 -
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Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3843
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:23:00 -
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Yep, everything's perfectly balanced. That's why we have such fine weapons as the plasma cannon! |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
646
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:40:00 -
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I agree with your premise (all weapons have an optimal engagement strategy) but not your conclusion (therefore all weapons are balanced)
The problem is that some weapons have too precise and narrow ideal windows of engagement (looking at you Plasma Cannon) - while others, too large (AR and maybe AScR - although both will probably change when the Rail and Combat Rifles are eventually released) |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
38
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:06:00 -
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True, but your weapon effects what good spot means shotgun = 3 m away from enemy Sniper= 80+ m away ar= anywhere Scr = for me within 10 m or past 50 m Everything = blah blah blah |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1101
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:12:00 -
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Isn't the laser rifle's optimum a tiny tiny window or did they fix that yet? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1532
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:23:00 -
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Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
402
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:25:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason.
correlation doesn't imply causation
just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1737
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:28:00 -
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All weapons are OP when i use my Active Scanner... it goes like this ;
You have been scanned, You have been scanned, You are scanned again, you can't hide, i coming for you, scanned again, where you going ?, You have been scanned, You dead. |
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
759
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:29:00 -
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Kill Feed AR AR AR Locus Grenade Locus Grenade AR AR FG AR FG FG AR AR Locus Grenade. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
231
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:29:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
231
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:31:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:All weapons are OP when i use my Active Scanner... it goes like this ; You have been scanned, You have been scanned, You are scanned again, you can't hide, i coming for you, scanned again, where you going ?, You have been scanned, You dead. Scout? they know they've been scanned and i see people spin round in circles |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1738
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:32:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.
Every weapon have that problem..... if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game.. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
231
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:38:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle. Every weapon have that problem... .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game.. Since armor tanking has been buffed scouts are useless and we scouts are furious of this event and more so being killed by complex damage mod tankers with 700 armor, you say there slow but recall the buff. I once saw a proto heavy with 1100 armor and a few shields and before i knew that i thought he was stacking complex speed mods because in my observations he looked really speedy when sprinting but when i did notice his 1100 armor i thought it was a bit... OP. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1738
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:41:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle. Every weapon have that problem... .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game.. Since armor tanking has been buffed scouts are useless and we scouts are furious of this event and more so being killed by complex damage mod tankers with 700 armor, you say there slow but recall the buff. I once saw a proto heavy with 1100 armor and a few shields and before i knew that i thought he was stacking complex speed mods because in my observations he looked really speedy when sprinting but when i did notice his 1100 armor i thought it was a bit... OP.
And you JUST revealed the real problem;... Prototype Equipment. |
George Moros
Area 514
135
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:43:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased...
Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR.
Check your logic again. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
404
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:47:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased...
Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR. Check your logic again.
No, it's used the most because it is the easiest weapon to use. People are familiar with firing a 30+ round assault weapon with low recoil into an enemy.
And they are less adventurous to go for a charge-shot scrambler rifle, or anything that isn't remotely resemblant of every single other shooter out there. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
411
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:51:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:George Moros wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased...
Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR. Check your logic again. No, it's used the most because it is the easiest weapon to use. People are familiar with firing a 30+ round assault weapon with low recoil into an enemy. And they are less adventurous to go for a charge-shot scrambler rifle, or anything that isn't remotely resemblant of every single other shooter out there.
Just because its an easy weapon for people to get familiar with doesnt mean its bad xD Its just the go to weapon for guys with no skills, take it easy on them please. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
412
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:51:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1167
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:06:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason. correlation doesn't imply causation just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best. that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... they are cheap, get the job done in a pinch and it's something you know.
Talking bout micky D's |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1738
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:14:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs
Well, according to Dust 514 History ( Reading the book right now ), that is provably, the most likely thing they going to do.
It says in chapter 3, episode 1;
- And they nerfed the mouse in the 3rd moon of the year of the pig, because Scrubs couldn't use a mouse their self. |
Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis
219
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:27:00 -
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AR > Small Blaster Turret mounted on an LAV.
If you don't call bull-ish on that, I don't know what's wrong with you. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1739
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:30:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:AR > Small Blaster Turret mounted on an LAV.
If you don't call bull-ish on that, I don't know what's wrong with you.
Oh, really ? so what is an HMG then ? or even better... what is a Forge Gun ?
Here, you see CCP ? Perfect example of a Scrub. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1389
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:32:00 -
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Looks at automatic short range plasma rifle that kills at 50+ meters out with more damage then a light turret.
Looks at the minmatar suppression weapon that has had it's suppressive abilities taken away.
Looks at plasma cannon that's useless as an av weapon.
Looks at proximity mines that do 750 damage each and beep if you get too close in a vehicle.
Looks at remote explosives that all have the same damage and range from standard to proto.
Looks at heavy weapon that does more damage then a heavy turret.
Looks at ASCR that's supposed to be worse then it's plasma counterpart.
Looks at AV nades that do thousands of damage.
Looks at burst plasma rifle.
Laughs hard as hell.
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
600
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:39:00 -
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Once I saw a Proto Caldari Logi with 700 armor and ~300 shields. No lie. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1740
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:39:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Looks at automatic short range plasma rifle that kills at 50+ meters out with more damage then a light turret.
Looks at the minmatar suppression weapon that has had it's suppressive abilities taken away.
Looks at plasma cannon that's useless as an av weapon.
Looks at proximity mines that do 750 damage each and beep if you get too close in a vehicle.
Looks at remote explosives that all have the same damage and range from standard to proto.
Looks at heavy weapon that does more damage then a heavy turret.
Looks at ASCR that's supposed to be worse then it's plasma counterpart.
Looks at AV nades that do thousands of damage.
Looks at burst plasma rifle.
Laughs hard as hell.
You forgot the Sniper rifle that takes 3 shoots to kill someone, and the Forge Gun that is more effective at sniping that the Sniper Rifle is. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
997
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:48:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.
What problems? The common you must be special ED if you don't know fact that the most used weapon in a FPS is an AR? You act like it's free or something. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
997
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:50:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs Well, according to Dust 514 History ( Reading the book right now ), that is provably, the most likely thing they going to do. It says in chapter 3, episode 1; - And they nerfed the mouse in the 3rd moon of the year of the pig, because Scrubs couldn't use a mouse their self.
Preach it Brother Hammer. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
232
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:53:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle. Every weapon have that problem... .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game.. Since armor tanking has been buffed scouts are useless and we scouts are furious of this event and more so being killed by complex damage mod tankers with 700 armor, you say there slow but recall the buff. I once saw a proto heavy with 1100 armor and a few shields and before i knew that i thought he was stacking complex speed mods because in my observations he looked really speedy when sprinting but when i did notice his 1100 armor i thought it was a bit... OP. And you JUST revealed the real problem;... Prototype Equipment. Heavies can't equip equipments |
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JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
997
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:56:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Once I saw a Proto Caldari Logi with 700 armor and ~300 shields. No lie.
I can do 513s/505a on mine w/ proto AR and nades. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
601
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Posted - 2013.10.13 16:01:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Once I saw a Proto Caldari Logi with 700 armor and ~300 shields. No lie. I can do 513s/505a on mine w/ proto AR and nades. I was just saying-Really? I've seen Proto Gallente Logis with less armor than that! Trying to armor tank Caldari suits IMO is.....stupid. Besides all that, more than half of his kills came from Core Locus Grenades. No wonder he was from SVER |
Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
30
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Posted - 2013.10.13 16:29:00 -
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holy crap are you guys really denying that the AR is overpowered, their hasn't been a build where at least one variant of the AR was not massively over powered, we all know its supposed to be easy mode point and shoot but it is way too good at every range it shouldn't be curb stomping shotguns at less than 20 meters or blasting snipers past 100 meters and with aim assist ill destroyed heavies with hmgs at close range who got the jump on me with an AR and I suck with them can't stand the iron sights needs a massive range and dmg nerf if its gonna have aim assist |
negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
261
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:15:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:George Moros wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased...
Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR. Check your logic again. No, it's used the most because it is the easiest weapon to use. People are familiar with firing a 30+ round assault weapon with low recoil into an enemy. And they are less adventurous to go for a charge-shot scrambler rifle, or anything that isn't remotely resemblant of every single other shooter out there.
Forget the AR the greatest thrill is this game is the shotgun |
Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
295
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:20:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Isn't the laser rifle's optimum a tiny tiny window or did they fix that yet? Its still there. I dont use LR's myself so i am not sure what it is but there is definantly a certain somewhat magical window where a LR is much like a death ray. Too close and a LR doesnt do jack and too far and its about as effective as a laser pointer. |
HYENAKILLER X
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
286
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:27:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:AR > Small Blaster Turret mounted on an LAV.
If you don't call bull-ish on that, I don't know what's wrong with you. This is true only because of accuracy and being a fixed position weapon. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
846
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:29:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs
Scrambler rifle has over heat. Laser has over heat. HMG has over heat.
AR has what?? Does it fail at distances under 30m like the laser? Does it kill the user like the laser or mass driver??
So the AR has WHAT??? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1758
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:41:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs Scrambler rifle has over heat. Laser has over heat. HMG has over heat. AR has what?? Does it fail at distances under 30m like the laser? Does it kill the user like the laser or mass driver?? So the AR has WHAT???
You just quoted a post with the actual answer to your question....
Sharpshooter is a skill to reduce the Bullet Spread of the AR. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1550
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Posted - 2013.10.14 00:28:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason. correlation doesn't imply causation just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best. that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... And if 75% of us ate nothing but McDonald's, what might one conclude about available alternatives? |
AFK Godfather
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.10.14 00:50:00 -
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claiming this game is balanced |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
5973
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:06:00 -
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I'm seeing more and more heavies and scouts using ARs. FFS, even I'm training into ARs on my main again on my main. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4025
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:27:00 -
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wait... this game is balanced? hahahaha
Wonder why I was seeing more and more Caldari suits + AR's? Must be my imagination I guess
If this game was as perfect as you claimed, why were guns like the tact. AR, flaylock nerfed? Why is the caldari suit #1? Why are so many people using the AR over ANY other gun?
I called current heavies hipsters, but tbh, if you're not using an AR by now you're a hipster too. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
43
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:55:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs Scrambler rifle has over heat. Laser has over heat. HMG has over heat. AR has what?? Does it fail at distances under 30m like the laser? Does it kill the user like the laser or mass driver?? So the AR has WHAT??? You just quoted a post with the actual answer to your question.... Sharpshooter is a skill to reduce the Bullet Spread of the AR. So um sharpshooter is useless, I have lvl 1 in ar, I use an ar occasionaly because of its mega cheap fitting cost and it has no spread at all also what skills allow my scr to negate its down sides |
Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis
221
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:31:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Chilled Pill wrote:AR > Small Blaster Turret mounted on an LAV.
If you don't call bull-ish on that, I don't know what's wrong with you. Oh, really ? so what is an HMG then ? or even better... what is a Forge Gun ?Here, you see CCP ? Perfect example of a Scrub.
What are you talking about? Does anyone even understand this guy?
Unfortunately, there's no hope for you -- there's no cure for stupid. |
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