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          Aesiron Kor-Azor 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 13:11:00 -
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          This game is 90% about whether you are in the right place at the right time, and 10% about whether your gear is better. If you have the high ground or are behind the enemy, they're yours. But vice-versa, if the enemy flank you, you're theirs. Regardless of gear or weapons, whether they have a militia AR or a proto mass driver, they will kill you.
  Stop complaining about imbalanced weapons, and figure out that it is just because you let yourself die by walking into enemy lines so recklessly. | 
      
      
      
          
          Sleepy Zan 
          TeamPlayers EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 13:18:00 -
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          Thank you for your expert obsrevation | 
      
      
      
          
          JL3Eleven 
          PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 13:20:00 -
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          Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
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          Arkena Wyrnspire 
          Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 13:23:00 -
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          Yep, everything's perfectly balanced. That's why we have such fine weapons as the plasma cannon! | 
      
      
      
          
          Ryder Azorria 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 13:40:00 -
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          I agree with your premise (all weapons have an optimal engagement strategy) but not your conclusion (therefore all weapons are balanced)
  The problem is that some weapons have too precise and narrow ideal windows of engagement (looking at you Plasma Cannon) - while others, too large (AR and maybe AScR - although both will probably change when the Rail and Combat Rifles are eventually released) | 
      
      
      
          
          deepfried salad gilliam 
          Sanguine Knights
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:06:00 -
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          True, but your weapon effects what good spot means shotgun = 3 m away from enemy Sniper= 80+ m away ar= anywhere Scr = for me within 10 m or past 50 m  Everything = blah blah blah | 
      
      
      
          
          Medic 1879 
          Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:12:00 -
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          Isn't the laser rifle's optimum a tiny tiny window or did they fix that yet? | 
      
      
      
          
          Shotty GoBang 
          Pro Hic Immortalis
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:23:00 -
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          Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason. | 
      
      
      
          
          Aesiron Kor-Azor 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:25:00 -
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          Shotty GoBang wrote:Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason.  
  correlation doesn't imply causation
  just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
 
  that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... | 
      
      
      
          
          Banning Hammer 
          Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:28:00 -
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          All weapons are OP when i use my Active Scanner... it goes like this ;
  You have been scanned, You have been scanned, You are scanned again, you can't hide, i coming for you, scanned again, where you going ?, You have been scanned, You dead.  | 
      
      
      
          
          Xender17 
          Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:29:00 -
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          Kill Feed AR AR AR Locus Grenade Locus Grenade AR  AR FG AR FG FG AR AR Locus Grenade. | 
      
      
      
          
          Smooth Assassin 
          Stardust incorporation
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:29:00 -
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          JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
    You JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle. | 
      
      
      
          
          Smooth Assassin 
          Stardust incorporation
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:31:00 -
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          Banning Hammer wrote:All weapons are OP when i use my Active Scanner... it goes like this ; You have been scanned, You have been scanned, You are scanned again, you can't hide, i coming for you, scanned again, where you going ?, You have been scanned, You dead.    Scout? they know they've been scanned and i see people spin round in circles | 
      
      
      
          
          Banning Hammer 
          Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:32:00 -
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          Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   You  JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.  
  Every weapon have that problem... .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game.. | 
      
      
      
          
          Smooth Assassin 
          Stardust incorporation
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:38:00 -
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          Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   You  JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.  Every weapon have that problem...  .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game..   Since armor tanking has been buffed scouts are useless and we scouts are furious of this event and more so being killed by complex damage mod tankers with 700 armor, you say there slow but recall the buff. I once saw a proto heavy with 1100 armor and a few shields and before i knew that i thought he was stacking complex speed mods because in my observations he looked really speedy when sprinting but when i did notice his 1100 armor i thought it was a bit... OP. | 
      
      
      
          
          Banning Hammer 
          Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:41:00 -
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          Smooth Assassin wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   You  JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.  Every weapon have that problem...  .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game..  Since armor tanking has been buffed scouts are useless and we scouts are furious of this event and more so being killed by complex damage mod tankers with 700 armor, you say there slow but recall the buff. I once saw a proto heavy with 1100 armor and a few shields and before i knew that i thought he was stacking complex speed mods because in my observations he looked really speedy when sprinting but when i did notice his 1100 armor i thought it was a bit... OP.  
  And you JUST revealed the real problem;... Prototype Equipment.  | 
      
      
      
          
          George Moros 
          Area 514
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:43:00 -
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          Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
  just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
 
  that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... 
  
  Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR.
  Check your logic again. | 
      
      
      
          
          Aesiron Kor-Azor 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:47:00 -
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          George Moros wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
  just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
 
  that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... 
  Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR. Check your logic again.  
  No, it's used the most because it is the easiest weapon to use. People are familiar with firing a 30+ round assault weapon with low recoil into an enemy.
  And they are less adventurous to go for a charge-shot scrambler rifle, or anything that isn't remotely resemblant of every single other shooter out there. | 
      
      
      
          
          Obodiah Garro 
          Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:51:00 -
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          Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:George Moros wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: correlation doesn't imply causation
  just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best.
 
  that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased... 
  Of course. The AR is most used weapon because Duvolle Labs has New Eden-wide retail availabilty, best prices, and is advertised the most. You also get a complimentary can of Quafe with every puchased AR. Check your logic again.  No, it's used the most because it is the easiest weapon to use. People are familiar with firing a 30+ round assault weapon with low recoil into an enemy. And they are less adventurous to go for a charge-shot scrambler rifle, or anything that isn't remotely resemblant of every single other shooter out there.  
  Just because its an easy weapon for people to get familiar with doesnt mean its bad xD Its just the go to weapon for guys with no skills, take it easy on them please. | 
      
      
      
          
          Mortedeamor 
          Internal Rebellion
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 14:51:00 -
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          JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
    if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs | 
      
      
      
          
          Cody Sietz 
          Bullet Cluster
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:06:00 -
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          Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Watch that kill feed. Patterns tend to exist for a reason.  correlation doesn't imply causation just because the AR is most commonly used, doesn't mean it's the best. that is like saying mcdonnalds has the best burgers because they are most often purchased...    they are cheap, get the job done in a pinch and it's something you know.
  Talking bout micky D's | 
      
      
      
          
          Banning Hammer 
          Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:14:00 -
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          Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs  
  Well, according to Dust 514 History ( Reading the book right now ), that is provably, the most likely thing they going to do.
  It says in chapter 3, episode 1; 
  - And they nerfed the mouse in the 3rd moon of the year of the pig, because Scrubs couldn't use a mouse their self. | 
      
      
      
          
          Chilled Pill 
          Pro Hic Immortalis
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:27:00 -
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          AR > Small Blaster Turret mounted on an LAV. 
  If you don't call bull-ish on that, I don't know what's wrong with you. | 
      
      
      
          
          Banning Hammer 
          Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:30:00 -
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          Chilled Pill wrote:AR > Small Blaster Turret mounted on an LAV. 
  If you don't call bull-ish on that, I don't know what's wrong with you.  
  Oh, really ? so what is an HMG then ? or even better... what is a Forge Gun ?
  Here, you see CCP ? Perfect example of a Scrub. | 
      
      
      
          
          Sinboto Simmons 
          SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:32:00 -
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          Looks at automatic short range plasma rifle that kills at 50+ meters out with more damage then a light turret.
  Looks at the minmatar suppression weapon that has had it's suppressive abilities taken away. 
  Looks at plasma cannon that's useless as an av weapon.
  Looks at proximity mines that do 750 damage each and beep if you get too close in a vehicle.
  Looks at remote explosives that all have the same damage and range from standard to proto.
  Looks at heavy weapon that does more damage then a heavy turret.
  Looks at ASCR that's supposed to be worse then it's plasma counterpart.
  Looks at AV nades that do thousands of damage.
  Looks at burst plasma rifle.
  Laughs hard as hell.
 
 
 
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          Patrick57 
          GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:39:00 -
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          Once I saw a Proto Caldari Logi with 700 armor and ~300 shields. No lie. | 
      
      
      
          
          Banning Hammer 
          Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:39:00 -
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          Sinboto Simmons wrote:Looks at automatic short range plasma rifle that kills at 50+ meters out with more damage then a light turret.
  Looks at the minmatar suppression weapon that has had it's suppressive abilities taken away. 
  Looks at plasma cannon that's useless as an av weapon.
  Looks at proximity mines that do 750 damage each and beep if you get too close in a vehicle.
  Looks at remote explosives that all have the same damage and range from standard to proto.
  Looks at heavy weapon that does more damage then a heavy turret.
  Looks at ASCR that's supposed to be worse then it's plasma counterpart.
  Looks at AV nades that do thousands of damage.
  Looks at burst plasma rifle.
  Laughs hard as hell.
 
 
 
   
  You forgot the Sniper rifle that takes 3 shoots to kill someone, and the Forge Gun that is more effective at sniping that the Sniper Rifle is. | 
      
      
      
          
          JL3Eleven 
          PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:48:00 -
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          Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   You  JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.  
  What problems? The common you must be special ED if you don't know fact that the most used weapon in a FPS is an AR? You act like it's free or something. | 
      
      
      
          
          JL3Eleven 
          PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:50:00 -
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          Banning Hammer wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   if they nerf the ar it is because they cannot distinguish the skilled veteran players feedback from scrubs  Well, according to Dust 514 History ( Reading the book right now ), that is provably, the most likely thing they going to do. It says in chapter 3, episode 1;  - And they nerfed the mouse in the 3rd moon of the year of the pig, because Scrubs couldn't use a mouse their self.  
  Preach it Brother Hammer. | 
      
      
      
          
          Smooth Assassin 
          Stardust incorporation
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        Posted - 2013.10.13 15:53:00 -
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          Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please tell AR nerfers most full time AR users have proficiency and sharpshooter at 5 plus maybe a complex damage mod or 3.
   You  JUST revealed the problems of assault rifle.  Every weapon have that problem...  .. if you want to call it a "problem", it is actually part of the game..  Since armor tanking has been buffed scouts are useless and we scouts are furious of this event and more so being killed by complex damage mod tankers with 700 armor, you say there slow but recall the buff. I once saw a proto heavy with 1100 armor and a few shields and before i knew that i thought he was stacking complex speed mods because in my observations he looked really speedy when sprinting but when i did notice his 1100 armor i thought it was a bit... OP.  And you  JUST revealed the real problem;... Prototype Equipment.    Heavies can't equip equipments | 
      
      
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