I'm dreaming. This is a thread about Snipers being valuable members of a squad, and not enough AR 514 thread?

To be honest, I'm only playing this game on passive, doing a little bit then putting it away for a week, as a Dedicated Sniper. These new maps are terrible for it, but CCP themselves have said they are designing maps to be Sniper Unfriendly.

While playing and listening to people rant and rave on their mics I notice some things. SNIPERS GET NO AND I MEAN NO LOVE!!!

I've heard people even go so far as to say that "They should do away with the sniper rifles." and that's just plain nuts.

Snipers are an important part of warfare and will continue to be for the rest of time. Just ask SEAL TEAM SIX.

Snipers sometimes play the point man. They can give valuable intelligence. They can clear a path for the infantry before they get to a point of entry. Psuedo bodyguards in a since like a dumb down version of a heavy. They get kills. The problem is that ... most of the time they go un noticed ... unless some one is in a firefight and are about to be dealt a death blow and a sniper comes along and saves the day for them ... allowing them to recoup and regroup.

Stop the madness people. We snipers provide a valuable part to the art of war.

If we have a mic, we can tell you if and when your about to get flanked and how many are approaching so you can be better prepared. I'm a sniper and I love it but hate when it happens to me. I understand why those with some malice in their hearts feel the way that they do.

Like John Cena says "You can't see me." and that bothers you. I get it!!! It bothers me to when it happens to me.

I've heard people talk about getting rid of the snipers gun noise. Please CCP don't do that. Along with the kill board notice of who dies and by what weapon ... which I love might I add ... that helps me to know how many snipers are in the area and if you listen well enough, where they could be located.

Also people can you, if you are taking a pod as I call them, you know A, B, C, D and so on, can you hack the clone bank first if it's near the area??? I mean come on, if you don't and you go to hack and someone spawns there in the middle of your hack and your head isn't on a swivel, then your toast. Save yourself the time and trouble. I know they can spawn while hacking even there but it's a much bigger problem if you don't at least try first. A really big one if your alone and your wondering if "anybody's home."

I just get tired of seeing that happen to my team mates .

Thank you CCP and thank all for their time.

Sad part about being sniper is that nothing in the game supports you, none of the maps have any conventional sniper points, and no I don't mean those tiny little watch towers at your base (Nobody uses those.), most snipers use DS to get them to the most ridicules sniper points, finding a good sniping point should be this complected, to make it worse counter sniping is more difficult as the best way to counter this is to do the same thing. None of the current suits support sniping, sniper fittings are very limited in options, heavy suit if you want more HP, Logi if you want more damage, Assault if you want the in-between, and Scouts are the worse, low PG/CPU, low slots, and the skill bonus doesn't help if the goal is to stay away from the enemy. All useful cover is on low grounded positions, which adds more to the lack of practical sniping positions.

Even in Beta, Dust has never liked Snipers, CCP has yet to add anything to support snipers and it doesn't help that snipers have to resort to flying to the top of some unreachable platform, which in turn makes CCP want to make more maps with anti-sniper. But maybe I'm being petty, Dust currently has rendering issues, which makes sniping difficult in a way it shouldn't, so maybe when ever they improve rendering Snipers will start getting some love.

Nobody hates snipers, they hate redline snipers. These new maps and sockets are designed to prevent people from simply sitting under the MCC, going 1/0 in a match, barely contributing to their team. There's plenty of good sniping spots, but the only difference is you have to actually put yourself in danger.

I like the changes that CCP made so that it is not so easy for snipers.

Come on, in the beginning you just sit there starring on the victory point and if someone was hacking PIFF he was dead.

That is too easy. Even snipers have to work ^^

So know, the sniper is out when someone reaches the basement of the victory point.
But nevertheless he can kill him on the way to it.

And I think there are enough sniper places around. Otherwise snipers would not be able to kill me or my buddies :)

I went into a match with the squad-mates and said I was going. Of course, I get the bull about not being a real valuable asset to the team, and so I tell them basically what I said in this thread.

After being laughed at a little bit more, we head into the match. Here's how it went basically.
1) Spawned in.
2) Ran to hill near MCC
3) Killed 3 people hacking Alpha
4) Moved to hill above Charlie
5) Started calling out enemy positions and threats.

I was able to see more of the field, and able to pay more attention to the situation. I didn't get the most kills, but I stole a couple from one guy in particular who thought snipers were uselss (You know who you are. ;D), and managed to get only 1 death from a glitch where I didn't get the message while on the edge of the redline.

The first minute or so of the game was like this:
Me: Alright, I have one on Alpha, taking him out *Kills first guy*
Squadmate 1: How have you already killed one person? I haven't even gotten to the turrets outside Bravo yet!
Me: Because Snipers are useful, no matter what anyone else says. I'm keeping Alpha clear, and you kill the remainder. *Kills 2 and 3*
Squadmate 1: Alrighty, well could you keep it clear forever?
Me: No, because I have to reload at some point. *Misses and Alpha gets hacked* Alright, onto the more useful point.

By the end of the match, he got pissed a couple times because I stole 3 of his kills. It was also me that spotted out the first 2-3 tanks, before they got blowed up, and then me who spotted the LAV trying to sneak around the back of Charlie.

So to anyone who thinks Snipers are useless, you're talking about the ones that are just in it to boost K/D. I managed to keep Alpha clear for about a full minute, and then kept on spotting out enemies for my squad-mates to prepare for and then destroy. Not to mention keeping the map clear of enemy snipers.

Sir if you please, I would like to hire you as a lawyer on behalf of the snipers. Also I stay away from the towers because I have sniped people and snipers in those said towers. Those are so easy to die in if you have adversaries with any aim. I love when people fly to platforms because my aim becomes to either kill them or make them jump and I just keep going back to those points so I can put charges in them til their lifeless carcass falls like a deadweight. You speak with a lot of insight and THANK YOU.

Sure, throw in a sardine sandwich and it's a deal!

one sniper is okay. two snipers can be a really good team.

more than that and snipers take away from the battle.

I like the changes that CCP made so that it is not so easy for snipers.

Come on, in the beginning you just sit there starring on the victory point and if someone was hacking PIFF he was dead.

That is too easy. Even snipers have to work ^^

So know, the sniper is out when someone reaches the basement of the victory point.
But nevertheless he can kill him on the way to it.

And I think there are enough sniper places around. Otherwise snipers would not be able to kill me or my buddies :)

I can see what you mean. I was playing yesterday and me like most are trying to get those precious three tier items and there were about eight out of sixteen people on the towers. I don't know the name of the warzone. The one with the two warehouses and like six towers on it. All were not sniping but that's eight out of sixteen so that's less boots on the ground. Now I was going to go and change fits but we were getting routed and I MEAN SMASHED, so much because we didn't have the troops and I wasn't going to become the sacrificial lamb and die eight to twenty times to prove a point. It was obvious that they just didn't care.

When I started up my Dropship character, I spent the entirety of Academy (Pretty much one battle, given my skill and the fact that they're new to the game) outside my ship and on the ground, doing my free-fit thing.

The entire team, and I mean literally the ENTIRE team, was sniping. I couldn't make this up. I maybe saw 2-3 people outside of their redline, trying to get the objective, but they didn't that far past me. Basically, 13 snipers basically dooms the match for you.

''The sniper is easily the most important class of the game,''

LOL, this...HAHA man i LOLs my abs still hurt and sh*at XD
Snipers are a sucky class for stat padders (95% ov them)
How many times we have 3 or 4 snipers in the team and insted of shooting people TAKING OBJECTIVES or enemies SHOOTING AT FRIENDLIES, they choose to shoot the most useless enemy red ,camping with a MLT sniper rifle in ground level.

I mean you only have 4 jobs:

1-Protect objectives and choke points
2-Cover your frendlies while in fire fights
3-Counter snipe / take out enemy AV
4-Use mic to inform of enemy movements to your team

This is what you do:
1- Shoot at the enemy MCC
2-Steal kills from friendlies (like blue dot is in firefight,he has 95% HP and has red dot at 3% HP,you shoot at red) Thanks for the ''cover'' fire , 4ssh0le..
3-Get sniped in the face / eat FG in the face
4-Dont have mic and end the match 3-14

Then you ask why people dont care for snipers....

On another note, Proto suits get 1-2 shotted by good snipers so yes, Sniper rifles are good and powerful, you are the one that isnt.........

While playing and listening to people rant and rave on their mics I notice some things. SNIPERS GET NO AND I MEAN NO LOVE!!!

I've heard people even go so far as to say that "They should do away with the sniper rifles." and that's just plain nuts.

Snipers are an important part of warfare and will continue to be for the rest of time. Just ask SEAL TEAM SIX.

Snipers sometimes play the point man. They can give valuable intelligence. They can clear a path for the infantry before they get to a point of entry. Psuedo bodyguards in a since like a dumb down version of a heavy. They get kills. The problem is that ... most of the time they go un noticed ... unless some one is in a firefight and are about to be dealt a death blow and a sniper comes along and saves the day for them ... allowing them to recoup and regroup.

Stop the madness people. We snipers provide a valuable part to the art of war.

If we have a mic, we can tell you if and when your about to get flanked and how many are approaching so you can be better prepared. I'm a sniper and I love it but hate when it happens to me. I understand why those with some malice in their hearts feel the way that they do.

Like John Cena says "You can't see me." and that bothers you. I get it!!! It bothers me to when it happens to me.

I've heard people talk about getting rid of the snipers gun noise. Please CCP don't do that. Along with the kill board notice of who dies and by what weapon ... which I love might I add ... that helps me to know how many snipers are in the area and if you listen well enough, where they could be located.

Also people can you, if you are taking a pod as I call them, you know A, B, C, D and so on, can you hack the clone bank first if it's near the area??? I mean come on, if you don't and you go to hack and someone spawns there in the middle of your hack and your head isn't on a swivel, then your toast. Save yourself the time and trouble. I know they can spawn while hacking even there but it's a much bigger problem if you don't at least try first. A really big one if your alone and your wondering if "anybody's home."

I just get tired of seeing that happen to my team mates .

Thank you CCP and thank all for their time.