DUST Search - PC Frame Rate lag still here (Video)

shade emry3 wrote:

"Lag switching" occurs from 2 factors,

1. hard drive seek errors where the drive has to re-read a sector x amounts of times to send the relevant xyz information of the players avatar to the server;
2. when a persons ping time is well over 200ms.

I have attempted to lag switch (as you guys call it?) and have not been able to recreate the issue at hand at all( i did when i had a bad HDD, i swapped for an ssd, problem solved, however when i tried to reuse the drive that had bad S.M.A.R.T errors on it, the ps3 rejected the drive, so suffice to say its not recreatable). despite my attempt at packet floods, purposefully causing collision based packet errors or header packet errors, ETC. It requires a bad HDD and a slow Network to even come close to recreating.. So, the question is, who would wana play a game where guys are moving around the map for 10 second intervals that are non responsive every 26 seconds, gets rubberbanded back to their original position, then suffers a loss because the server sees you as stagnant and not moving, just to get an edge?one that doesn't work in the end? Not me.

I have been able to recreate FPS issues using drop Uplinks, however; it affects both sides and usually is only triggered by the hosting party ( first group that enters PC matches, or first Squad leader into battle whos squad drops more then 4 uplinks that are concurrent.)

Lag switching? The term makes me laugh as a network engineer, however If I do find a way to recreate it, it gets reported and looked at very quickly, I assure you. However I have not been able to recreate it. If you know something we don't, do share so we can present it to the CPM's and have them forward it.

I'm not here to be a winner, I'm here to try and make the game better, and to have fun doing it, so if you see me killing you in some ungodly way, chances are i'm testing something and reporting it.

FOR SCIENCE!

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DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1729	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:12:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz2h-VfDJy4 This is not a single incident. Ever since 1.4 was released, frame rate issues happen every game to at least 1-3 people. Not sure what causes it tho Edit: recorded from my phone. Sorry lol
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San EoN. 128	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:51:00 - [2] - Quote i get same lag almost every game
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San EoN. 128	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:53:00 - [3] - Quote what if a meteor holding life travelled from one system to ours and evolved into freaky looking aliens http://doblelol.com/thumbs/aliens-funny_5042503080871444.jpg
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 593	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:31:00 - [4] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz2h-VfDJy4 This is not a single incident. Ever since 1.4 was released, frame rate issues happen every game to at least 1-3 people. Not sure what causes it tho Edit: recorded from my phone. Sorry lol ^Every PC match I've ever played has been like this.
Egypt Musk A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 25	Posted - 2013.10.13 08:16:00 - [5] - Quote Ditto same issue in 30 to 50 % of pc's i've played
Roner General Ancient Exiles 36	Posted - 2013.10.13 11:55:00 - [6] - Quote This is edited footage! omg wut a hacker!
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1872	Posted - 2013.10.14 07:20:00 - [7] - Quote Roner General wrote: This is edited footage! omg wut a hacker! Shhhh
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 397	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:03:00 - [8] - Quote I stopped playing Dust, primarily because of this issue! I'm glad to hear that this POS game still have all the same bugs it had over a month ago.

CCP OverRainbow C C P C C P Alliance 37	Posted - 2013.10.21 08:58:00 - [9] - Quote Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1407	Posted - 2013.10.21 09:50:00 - [10] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you ...its a little creepy how the logs actually show things now

Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3415	Posted - 2013.10.21 10:12:00 - [11] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you ...its a little creepy how the logs actually show things now CCP = NSA
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1138	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:08:00 - [12] - Quote I don't play PC at all because of frame rate issue. It's not worth it. I blame: -Equipment spam -Flashy crowded radars (even worse when you include scanners) -Objectives in one spot on the map...so everyone ends up in a giant war in one place. -Textures, explosions, effects, things that don't need to be there/should be optional.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2207	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:52:00 - [13] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you Every battle that day had at least 1-3 people with this issue. Infact every PC battle has at least 1 person with the problem. I can't tell you which battle it was though. It seems this happens EVERY TIME on the new Gallente research facility map and any city map more frequently.
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.10.26 02:37:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you Every battle that day had at least 1-3 people with this issue. Infact every PC battle has at least 1 person with the problem. I can't tell you which battle it was though. It seems this happens EVERY TIME on the new Gallente research facility map and any city map more frequently. It is especially bad on the Gallente Research Facility. It has lag like that in public contracts. I've encountered lag to the extent of the video on Orbital Artillery and Biomass Outposts every match. I haven't run into the problem on the communications outpost, but I haven't seen that one in PC in a long time. In Moiden heath poicie department versus ancient exiles, every battle drops below 25fps on the outside and below 10fps in the cities.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 948	Posted - 2013.10.26 03:44:00 - [15] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you Pretty much every game is won by who lags the least and who has the least player boots, its an overall issue that for a brief time seemed fixed, like literally about a week. PC's whole history is tainted by lag and I don't even understand how its worth it.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2230	Posted - 2013.10.27 11:13:00 - [16] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you Every battle that day had at least 1-3 people with this issue. Infact every PC battle has at least 1 person with the problem. I can't tell you which battle it was though. It seems this happens EVERY TIME on the new Gallente research facility map and any city map more frequently. It is especially bad on the Gallente Research Facility. It has lag like that in public contracts. I've encountered lag to the extent of the video on Orbital Artillery and Biomass Outposts every match. I haven't run into the problem on the communications outpost, but I haven't seen that one in PC in a long time. In Moiden heath poicie department versus ancient exiles, every battle drops below 25fps on the outside and below 10fps in the cities. Yeah.. I think it's due to both sides lag switching (Bump?)
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1011	Posted - 2013.10.27 18:41:00 - [17] - Quote I highly doubt it's lag switching. This abhorrent lag exists for just about everyone, and it doesn't seem to be network latency for the most part. Inside that Research Facility it feels like I'm running sub-30 frames per second the ENTIRE TIME. It's a nightmare to try and even play. Is anything seriously in the works to address the lag in PC? It's existed like this in varying severity of course since PC was introduced. You can't honestly expect us to keep playing PC like this and just deal with it? I'm amazed at myself for even dealing with it.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 284	Posted - 2013.10.28 02:28:00 - [18] - Quote It lags so much in domination... stop the spam of uplinks please!!!
MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 61	Posted - 2013.10.29 05:37:00 - [19] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Is anything seriously in the works to address the lag in PC? All these monthly "updates" which fail to address critical game flaws (such as this one) would suggest that CCP is neither taking this seriously nor actively addressing it. Smooth Assassin wrote: It lags so much in domination... stop the spam of uplinks please!!! Right, because the proper solution is to stop using in-game equipment instead of CCP fixing botched game mechanics...
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3048	Posted - 2013.11.19 08:30:00 - [20] - Quote Bump. It is still happening. And it is still bad. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3

Templar 10 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 22	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:53:00 - [21] - Quote in the old corp i was with ( The southern Legion ) it seemed that every game of pc we didnt lag we won how ever upon asking a player from the opposing team and asking did they lagg in the game the reply is always yes very bad. and if we were lagging we would lose and on the odd game where we won both sides would lagg this isnt a seperate issue its pritty much all pc matches that lagg ( im using lagg instead of frame rate beceause i cant be bothered going back and changing the word ) so in general that game type is just really bad i would like some news about a possible fix to it
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 338	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:51:00 - [22] - Quote the frame rate loss is constant from PC to Public matches.. And it progressively gets worse to that point at the end of match almost every PC.
shade emry3 Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 42	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:27:00 - [23] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Cass Caul wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, I found that you played PC games several times on Oct. the 12th. Can you tell me which was the one in your video, or every PC battle you played dropped frame rate? Thank you Every battle that day had at least 1-3 people with this issue. Infact every PC battle has at least 1 person with the problem. I can't tell you which battle it was though. It seems this happens EVERY TIME on the new Gallente research facility map and any city map more frequently. It is especially bad on the Gallente Research Facility. It has lag like that in public contracts. I've encountered lag to the extent of the video on Orbital Artillery and Biomass Outposts every match. I haven't run into the problem on the communications outpost, but I haven't seen that one in PC in a long time. In Moiden heath poicie department versus ancient exiles, every battle drops below 25fps on the outside and below 10fps in the cities. Yeah.. I think it's due to both sides lag switching (Bump?) "Lag switching" occurs from 2 factors, 1. hard drive seek errors where the drive has to re-read a sector x amounts of times to send the relevant xyz information of the players avatar to the server; 2. when a persons ping time is well over 200ms. I have attempted to lag switch as you guys call it? and have not been able to recreate the issue at hand at all. despite my attempt at packet floods, purposefully causing collision based packet errors or header packet errors, ETC. I have been able to recreate FPS issues using drop Uplinks, however; it affects both sides and usually is only triggered by the hosting party ( first group that enters PC matches, or first Squad leader into battle.) Lag switching? The term makes me laugh as a network engineer, however If I do find a way to recreate it, it gets reported and looked at very quickly, I assure you. However I have not been able to recreate it. If you know something we don't, do share so we can present it to the CPM's and have them forward it.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1582	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:48:00 - [24] - Quote shade emry3 wrote: "Lag switching" occurs from 2 factors, 1. hard drive seek errors where the drive has to re-read a sector x amounts of times to send the relevant xyz information of the players avatar to the server; 2. when a persons ping time is well over 200ms. I have attempted to lag switch (as you guys call it?) and have not been able to recreate the issue at hand at all( i did when i had a bad HDD, i swapped for an ssd, problem solved, however when i tried to reuse the drive that had bad S.M.A.R.T errors on it, the ps3 rejected the drive, so suffice to say its not recreatable). despite my attempt at packet floods, purposefully causing collision based packet errors or header packet errors, ETC. It requires a bad HDD and a slow Network to even come close to recreating.. So, the question is, who would wana play a game where guys are moving around the map for 10 second intervals that are non responsive every 26 seconds, gets rubberbanded back to their original position, then suffers a loss because the server sees you as stagnant and not moving, just to get an edge?one that doesn't work in the end? Not me. I have been able to recreate FPS issues using drop Uplinks, however; it affects both sides and usually is only triggered by the hosting party ( first group that enters PC matches, or first Squad leader into battle whos squad drops more then 4 uplinks that are concurrent.) Lag switching? The term makes me laugh as a network engineer, however If I do find a way to recreate it, it gets reported and looked at very quickly, I assure you. However I have not been able to recreate it. If you know something we don't, do share so we can present it to the CPM's and have them forward it. I'm not here to be a winner, I'm here to try and make the game better, and to have fun doing it, so if you see me killing you in some ungodly way, chances are i'm testing something and reporting it. FOR SCIENCE! This is awesome. ö/\ö :D
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3087	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:09:00 - [25] - Quote Bump still happening. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3109	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:37:00 - [26] - Quote Terrible frame rate today's PC match. Absolutely terrible. Bumping again GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3
Templar 10 Pink Fluffy Space Bunnies 22	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:38:00 - [27] - Quote Ima bump this coz it's more important than dam vehicles in 1.7
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 604	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:22:00 - [28] - Quote I had literally one or two matches where it was serious lag, and I had no idea why. It was a pub match VS. about 12 D3LTA F0RC3s, and I was jumping all over the place. It was incredibly angering. I was trying to jump a railing and immediately I hear the sound of an HMG, and immediately I was dead. Other than that though, I rarely get super bad framerate. Every once in a while I get a tiny lag spike if I'm sneaking up on someone with a Shotgun, but that's about it. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Patrick57 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1679	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:38:00 - [29] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: I had literally one or two matches where it was serious lag, and I had no idea why. It was a pub match VS. about 12 D3LTA F0RC3s, and I was jumping all over the place. It was incredibly angering. I was trying to jump a railing and immediately I hear the sound of an HMG, and immediately I was dead. Other than that though, I rarely get super bad framerate. Every once in a while I get a tiny lag spike if I'm sneaking up on someone with a Shotgun, but that's about it. D3LTA F0RC3 isn't dead?? O_O When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
timmybhoy killa The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 3	Posted - 2013.11.24 06:54:00 - [30] - Quote Happen to me in multiple pc battles today as soon as I stepped inside the city frame rate dropped massively , even when i respawned at one of the outer points it followed me and I couldn't get rid of it . It would be nice to see another blue post about this issue with possible solutions or at least a - hey here's what we're trying to do post .



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