(claps hands) Preach! I never understood the whole KDR fascination.

So I've been coming to the forums for a little while and all I ever see is bitching.

So I've been coming to the forums for a little while and all I ever see is bitching. This is why first person shooter games are such a hard thing to deal with because people are ridiculous. I'm gonna start a fire and single some people out. I'll try to keep the foul language to a minimum for our younger viewers.

KDR vs WP - Honestly...who gives a hoot? I mean seriously. One dude is on here moaning about nanite injectors carried by logistics players. Its messes with his KDR. Hey buddy, did you notice the other 15 people on your team? TEAM. I think if someone is trying to HELP YOU get up and keep the battle going (especially in Ambush mode) then that is pretty cool of them. They don't have to do that. They save you time by getting you back on your feet so you can KILL more.

In fact...it seems to me, if you were worth a hoot to begin with, then you'd be getting back up and immediately sticking foot to ass on the baddies and KDR wouldn't matter to you.

Nerfing Logistics players - I mean seriously. You don't like remote explosives...boo hoo. I don't like Laser Rifles, Forge Guns or Mass Drivers but you don't see me petitioning CCP or Barack Obama or the Gamer Hugs Association of America to stop them do you? No.

I see this situation in my head...some dude, 18+ gets on...gets his ass kicked, can't handle it...goes and gets a playstation points card, redeems it...buys 100,000 AUR worth of the baddest Mass Driver he can get and then kills everyone. He feels good. Yeah, its pretty pitiful in my opinion but who cares? Oh wait...KDR, that's right. Selfishness.

Logistics players require a lot of skill. A ton more skill than Forge Gunners or Mass Driverists or anything else. We sneak around...we have to move quickly even though we're on Medium Amarr Logistics suits which aren't too fast to begin with and adding armor plates and ugh....its hard to be nimble. But we manage and we lay our traps and we watch you walk into them and we blow you up. Deal with it.

Nerfing assault rifles - Yeah...because war shouldn't have automatic assault rifles. This is something else because people get tired of getting killed with the CreoDron(sp?) or Duvolle rifles or they are FLABBERGASTED when they get owned with an EXILE/MILITIA assault rifle.

WHAT!? WHAT!? HOW DID THAT N00B JUST OWN ME?! THIS IS BULLSHIT! NERF THE AR'S!!! THEY'RE CRIMINAL *stuffs twinkie in mouth*

So yeah...there ya go.

In conclusion - There are a bunch more things people complain about...but I don't get it. Why is everyone so obsessed with their KDR? Any of the Corps ask you about your Lifetime SP because they want to see how far you've gotten. No one but YOU gives a damn about KDR.

You know what I do? I will kamikaze myself for the greater good of the team. My KDR is 0.64 right now. Its up from .50 bc I've gotten better at this game with practice. You want to know which of my ratio's looks halfway decent? My WIN ratio. I will die 50 times in one match if it gets me on the NULL, gets my remote explosives and droplinks on the NULL and lets my team pour out of it to overtake the NULL objective, hackey hack and winny win.

KILLS: 13
DEATHS: 1,000,000

perfectly acceptable to me as long as we get the W. So all of you "men" out there who feel like your ego is hurt by your KDR and you feel your pride wounded...grow a set and suck it up. When your KDR gets you 10% off at Dave & Busters who VIP seating at a concert or some other super awesome perk...let me know, because then I'll go all selfish and crazy and be a ***** too. Until then....I'll continue to let you kill me numerous times, blow your ass up a few times and my team and I will ultimately kick your ass every time.

:D

So I've been coming to the forums for a little while and all I ever see is bitching. This is why first person shooter games are such a hard thing to deal with because people are ridiculous. I'm gonna start a fire and single some people out. I'll try to keep the foul language to a minimum for our younger viewers.

KDR vs WP - Honestly...who gives a hoot? I mean seriously. One dude is on here moaning about nanite injectors carried by logistics players. Its messes with his KDR. Hey buddy, did you notice the other 15 people on your team? TEAM. I think if someone is trying to HELP YOU get up and keep the battle going (especially in Ambush mode) then that is pretty cool of them. They don't have to do that. They save you time by getting you back on your feet so you can KILL more.

In fact...it seems to me, if you were worth a hoot to begin with, then you'd be getting back up and immediately sticking foot to ass on the baddies and KDR wouldn't matter to you.

Nerfing Logistics players - I mean seriously. You don't like remote explosives...boo hoo. I don't like Laser Rifles, Forge Guns or Mass Drivers but you don't see me petitioning CCP or Barack Obama or the Gamer Hugs Association of America to stop them do you? No.

I see this situation in my head...some dude, 18+ gets on...gets his ass kicked, can't handle it...goes and gets a playstation points card, redeems it...buys 100,000 AUR worth of the baddest Mass Driver he can get and then kills everyone. He feels good. Yeah, its pretty pitiful in my opinion but who cares? Oh wait...KDR, that's right. Selfishness.

Logistics players require a lot of skill. A ton more skill than Forge Gunners or Mass Driverists or anything else. We sneak around...we have to move quickly even though we're on Medium Amarr Logistics suits which aren't too fast to begin with and adding armor plates and ugh....its hard to be nimble. But we manage and we lay our traps and we watch you walk into them and we blow you up. Deal with it.

Nerfing assault rifles - Yeah...because war shouldn't have automatic assault rifles. This is something else because people get tired of getting killed with the CreoDron(sp?) or Duvolle rifles or they are FLABBERGASTED when they get owned with an EXILE/MILITIA assault rifle.

WHAT!? WHAT!? HOW DID THAT N00B JUST OWN ME?! THIS IS BULLSHIT! NERF THE AR'S!!! THEY'RE CRIMINAL *stuffs twinkie in mouth*

So yeah...there ya go.

In conclusion - There are a bunch more things people complain about...but I don't get it. Why is everyone so obsessed with their KDR? Any of the Corps ask you about your Lifetime SP because they want to see how far you've gotten. No one but YOU gives a damn about KDR.

You know what I do? I will kamikaze myself for the greater good of the team. My KDR is 0.64 right now. Its up from .50 bc I've gotten better at this game with practice. You want to know which of my ratio's looks halfway decent? My WIN ratio. I will die 50 times in one match if it gets me on the NULL, gets my remote explosives and droplinks on the NULL and lets my team pour out of it to overtake the NULL objective, hackey hack and winny win.

KILLS: 13
DEATHS: 1,000,000

perfectly acceptable to me as long as we get the W. So all of you "men" out there who feel like your ego is hurt by your KDR and you feel your pride wounded...grow a set and suck it up. When your KDR gets you 10% off at Dave & Busters who VIP seating at a concert or some other super awesome perk...let me know, because then I'll go all selfish and crazy and be a ***** too. Until then....I'll continue to let you kill me numerous times, blow your ass up a few times and my team and I will ultimately kick your ass every time.

:D

King Checkmate...I like you. You're alright. You can't read worth a damn but that's alright. Do they still do accelerated reader? Teach English class in school? I don't even know what they do anymore.

You missed the whole point of what I was saying because you lack the savoir-faire to see the subtle meanings behind the words...but I'm going to help you. I like to help people. It makes me feel happy.

*ahem* I. WANT. TO. WIN.

Don't care about dying, KDR, war points...any of it. I just want to win.

See all these nice people above us that actually read the thread? They got it. They heard me loud and clear. So that makes me curious...what's your disconnect?

In conclusion - There are a bunch more things people complain about...but I don't get it. Why is everyone so obsessed with their KDR? Any of the Corps ask you about your Lifetime SP because they want to see how far you've gotten. No one but YOU gives a damn about KDR.

You know what I do? I will kamikaze myself for the greater good of the team. My KDR is 0.64 right now. Its up from .50 bc I've gotten better at this game with practice. You want to know which of my ratio's looks halfway decent? My WIN ratio. I will die 50 times in one match if it gets me on the NULL, gets my remote explosives and droplinks on the NULL and lets my team pour out of it to overtake the NULL objective, hackey hack and winny win.

*stuffs twinkie in mouth* ... :D

**** you twinkies are a national treasure.

A Scrub Logi digs his HIV infested Needle into me 5x while in the middle of a Firefight, thus forcing 5 inescapable Deaths. (We require an Accept Revive Option.....) He is now both killing my KDR & padding his WP, thus soaking all the ISK everyone else Earned from the Biomass Pool..... Double F**KING Standards........... & losing 50 Clones to get 1 Objective??? "Securing the Win"??? LOL!!!! None of this would I ever consider "Helping"..... Also.....the only "Skill" required is tossing Equipment on the ground & spamming the Proton Beam while playing the Ghostbusters theme, & occasionally chucking RE's while spamming Active Scanner. Try a Dropship, Tank or Non-Sniper Scout, then talk about "Skill". You probably meant Skill Points..... Repost this with some Logic and I may be inclined to agree.....but what you presented here is a haphazard Logistical mess, & I thusly disagree.

First off kdr is very important to gauge player growth. Getting needled in crossfire is the dumbest thing possible.

Infact needles should only be in pc where it actually matters.

Pretty much on point. I stopped caring about my kdr.

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Everyone knows who I am and what I do, and they know I do it well.

Why spend money to bump a pointless stat? I've been running an all BPO C-1 with dren AR and all mlt bpo modules. I don't do 20:0 like I do with proto suits, but I get a good 11:4 most battles and lose 0 isk. Take in between 130k-200k per battle

I agree with everything but the Ar. It either needs a nerf or most other weapons need a buff to at least be able to compete against the Ar.

How so? Mass drivers let you stand far away.
Forge guns let you stand far away
Sniper rifles let you stand far away
Laser rifles let you stand far away

AR's are an up close and personal weapon....everything else kills us from a distance. The laser rifle producers a straight line you can navigate to a person from so far away its not even funny.

AR's are close quarter combat weapons and just fine the way they are.

Mass drivers are fine
Forge guns are fine
Snipers will be fine once render distance is fixed
LRs deserve a slight buff

Why are you only pointing out long range weaponry? There's other close range weapons too you know?

The Ar TTK is too quick. It's to the point where it's instapopping most people who don't use Proto suits. Hell with an AR I can kill most HMG heavies in the HMGs optimal range. If you can't see a problem with the Ar then you probably have never used any other weapon then the Ar.

Oh and if it's supposed to be short ranged then why does the standard AR out range the AScR (Which is supposed to have a longer range then the AR) and the TAR out ranges the ScR (Same as the AScR).

I used the Mass Driver, hated it. It was sloppy and imprecise.
I use the sniper rifle from time to time...enjoy that, get bored sitting still though.
Laser rifles...haven't even tried.

I don't understand your abbreviations/acronyms so I'm afraid I can't retort because I'm not really sure what you just said.

How so? Mass drivers let you stand far away.
Forge guns let you stand far away
Sniper rifles let you stand far away
Laser rifles let you stand far away

AR's are an up close and personal weapon....everything else kills us from a distance. The laser rifle producers a straight line you can navigate to a person from so far away its not even funny.

AR's are close quarter combat weapons and just fine the way they are.

it needs to have much greater falloff after 45m. damage is fine.

So I've been coming to the forums for a little while and all I ever see is bitching. This is why first person shooter games are such a hard thing to deal with because people are ridiculous. I'm gonna start a fire and single some people out. I'll try to keep the foul language to a minimum for our younger viewers.

KDR vs WP - Honestly...who gives a hoot? I mean seriously. One dude is on here moaning about nanite injectors carried by logistics players. Its messes with his KDR. Hey buddy, did you notice the other 15 people on your team? TEAM. I think if someone is trying to HELP YOU get up and keep the battle going (especially in Ambush mode) then that is pretty cool of them. They don't have to do that. They save you time by getting you back on your feet so you can KILL more.

In fact...it seems to me, if you were worth a hoot to begin with, then you'd be getting back up and immediately sticking foot to ass on the baddies and KDR wouldn't matter to you.

Nerfing Logistics players - I mean seriously. You don't like remote explosives...boo hoo. I don't like Laser Rifles, Forge Guns or Mass Drivers but you don't see me petitioning CCP or Barack Obama or the Gamer Hugs Association of America to stop them do you? No.

I see this situation in my head...some dude, 18+ gets on...gets his ass kicked, can't handle it...goes and gets a playstation points card, redeems it...buys 100,000 AUR worth of the baddest Mass Driver he can get and then kills everyone. He feels good. Yeah, its pretty pitiful in my opinion but who cares? Oh wait...KDR, that's right. Selfishness.

Logistics players require a lot of skill. A ton more skill than Forge Gunners or Mass Driverists or anything else. We sneak around...we have to move quickly even though we're on Medium Amarr Logistics suits which aren't too fast to begin with and adding armor plates and ugh....its hard to be nimble. But we manage and we lay our traps and we watch you walk into them and we blow you up. Deal with it.

Nerfing assault rifles - Yeah...because war shouldn't have automatic assault rifles. This is something else because people get tired of getting killed with the CreoDron(sp?) or Duvolle rifles or they are FLABBERGASTED when they get owned with an EXILE/MILITIA assault rifle.

WHAT!? WHAT!? HOW DID THAT N00B JUST OWN ME?! THIS IS BULLSHIT! NERF THE AR'S!!! THEY'RE CRIMINAL *stuffs twinkie in mouth*

So yeah...there ya go.

In conclusion - There are a bunch more things people complain about...but I don't get it. Why is everyone so obsessed with their KDR? Any of the Corps ask you about your Lifetime SP because they want to see how far you've gotten. No one but YOU gives a damn about KDR.

You know what I do? I will kamikaze myself for the greater good of the team. My KDR is 0.64 right now. Its up from .50 bc I've gotten better at this game with practice. You want to know which of my ratio's looks halfway decent? My WIN ratio. I will die 50 times in one match if it gets me on the NULL, gets my remote explosives and droplinks on the NULL and lets my team pour out of it to overtake the NULL objective, hackey hack and winny win.

KILLS: 13
DEATHS: 1,000,000

perfectly acceptable to me as long as we get the W. So all of you "men" out there who feel like your ego is hurt by your KDR and you feel your pride wounded...grow a set and suck it up. When your KDR gets you 10% off at Dave & Busters who VIP seating at a concert or some other super awesome perk...let me know, because then I'll go all selfish and crazy and be a ***** too. Until then....I'll continue to let you kill me numerous times, blow your ass up a few times and my team and I will ultimately kick your ass every time.

:D

1: You're right, neither matter. KDR only shows if you're being efficient in terms of killing vs. dying, but doesn't have ISK involved, so pointless. Same for WP's, as there's many forms of teamwork not under the wp system, which doesn't gain you any ISK. Now a ISK profit tool would be great to have.

2: The only time people can legit complain about ni's is when they get picked up while being shot at, causing probably 2 deaths, and wasting the team's time. Otherwise, yea, you're right.

3: I never see people complain about RE's, so wtf are you talking about? Anyways, I do think that Logi's should trade firepower with equipment (non-EWAR) power. Would end up benefiting them in the end......

4: Plasma Rifles have too much range, and it's getting nerfed, so stop whining.

Newer player see's his teammate go down and tries to help...doesn't realize he's not helping. Friendly mail to him "hey man, thanks for your help on the battlefield but never use the nanite injector to revive during a firefight...it gets me killed and you killed." bam...problem solved. Education for the masses. You're a saint.

What's your opinion on tanks?

Are you suggesting life is harder for a logi than a heavy? really?

Pretty much on point. I stopped caring about my kdr. Everyone knows who I am and what I do, and they know I do it well. Why spend money to bump a pointless stat? I've been running an all BPO C-1 with dren AR and all mlt bpo modules. I don't do 20:0 like I do with proto suits, but I get a good 11:4 most battles and lose 0 isk. Take in between 130k-200k per battle

King Checkmate...I like you. You're alright. You can't read worth a damn but that's alright. Do they still do accelerated reader? Teach English class in school? I don't even know what they do anymore.

You missed the whole point of what I was saying because you lack the savoir-faire to see the subtle meanings behind the words...but I'm going to help you. I like to help people. It makes me feel happy.

*ahem* I. WANT. TO. WIN.

Don't care about dying, KDR, war points...any of it. I just want to win.

See all these nice people above us that actually read the thread? They got it. They heard me loud and clear. So that makes me curious...what's your disconnect?

I see this situation in my head...some dude, 18+ gets on...gets his ass kicked, can't handle it...goes and gets a playstation points card, redeems it...buys 100,000 AUR worth of the baddest Mass Driver he can get and then kills everyone. He feels good. Yeah, its pretty pitiful in my opinion but who cares? Oh wait...KDR, that's right. Selfishness.