DUST Search - Why immediate PS4 port is a BAD idea.

Vell0cet wrote:

Zero Harpuia wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Zero Harpuia wrote:

Not too sure if that's a good idea honestly. I've monkeyed about in coding for a spell, and I've come to realize that building from scratch is FAR easier than making a better thing with the existing coding framework or making a truly good engine port.

You've got it exactly WRONG. Old code is good code. The single biggest mistake CCP could do is start over from scratch.

it may not be a smart idea to redo the code in the middle of a project, but DUST514 PS4 is, in all reality, a new game. They will be building it on a new engine on a new console that Sony seems to be incredibly adamant about it having nothing to do with the PS3. If they just use the current code, if it even translates well to the new game, they will be stuck with all the reach-around they were forced to make in patches. Think of it like this.

Daikatana was forced to be swapped from Quake to Quake 2 engine, making them have to start from scratch. We all know what happened to Daikatana, because they had to push the game out as fast as they could to still try and recoup their losses.

Dota 2 or TF2 were both games on different engines that were remade later on Source without any real time constraints. This allowed them to work out the bugs and problems with the first games and make a much better game overall.

I'm not saying that they should throw everything out for DUST 2.0, just that they may have to to accommodate the new tech. If they've been keeping good notes, they should know exactly what each line of code does and that they can now simplify fifteen lines of code, built upon patch after patch, into something more efficient and optimized.

Also, your very standpoint is mildly setting yourself back. They HAVE to start over from some degree on a new engine, whether they use the Carbon Engine like they wanted to, or decide to grab something else. Either way they have to read and port their own code, so they will basically be remaking the game from scratch in a similar vein to the Daikatana example. Whether they make it from scratch to simplify and optimize the code, or they just straight-up port it, they will need to be able to read it and many things may bug up being thrust into a new engine. It's like putting an American in the UK. The language is the 'same', but the nuances will still screw him over.

In my opinion it makes the most sense to use Unreal 4 when that's available. This should require the least amount of changes to get it working, and CCP can methodically port each function, method, class and data type over to the new architecture. That is a hell-of-a-lot more sane than starting with a blank screen in a text editor. I'm not sure if you read the article, but he describes the right way to make these types of changes.


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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1367	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:11:00 - [1] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: CCP can't even manage to get their patches out without a crapload of bugs. What makes people think a PS4 version is going to happen at release? It would probably melt the device into a hole in the floor. A lot easier to develop a game for the PS4 than the PS3, I mean hell, did you ever play Skyrim on your PS3? Also seems like a good place to mention.... There's nothing holding CCP from a PC release. No paperwork, nothing. If/when they decide to release on the PS4 it will also be on the PC. This^ hell Fallout 3 can even slow it to a snails pace.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1367	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:35:00 - [2] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Not too sure if that's a good idea honestly. I've monkeyed about in coding for a spell, and I've come to realize that building from scratch is FAR easier than making a better thing with the existing coding framework or making a truly good engine port. You've got it exactly WRONG. Old code is good code. The single biggest mistake CCP could do is start over from scratch. it may not be a smart idea to redo the code in the middle of a project, but DUST514 PS4 is, in all reality, a new game. They will be building it on a new engine on a new console that Sony seems to be incredibly adamant about it having nothing to do with the PS3. If they just use the current code, if it even translates well to the new game, they will be stuck with all the reach-around they were forced to make in patches. Think of it like this. Daikatana was forced to be swapped from Quake to Quake 2 engine, making them have to start from scratch. We all know what happened to Daikatana, because they had to push the game out as fast as they could to still try and recoup their losses. Dota 2 or TF2 were both games on different engines that were remade later on Source without any real time constraints. This allowed them to work out the bugs and problems with the first games and make a much better game overall. I'm not saying that they should throw everything out for DUST 2.0, just that they may have to to accommodate the new tech. If they've been keeping good notes, they should know exactly what each line of code does and that they can now simplify fifteen lines of code, built upon patch after patch, into something more efficient and optimized. Also, your very standpoint is mildly setting yourself back. They HAVE to start over from some degree on a new engine, whether they use the Carbon Engine like they wanted to, or decide to grab something else. Either way they have to read and port their own code, so they will basically be remaking the game from scratch in a similar vein to the Daikatana example. Whether they make it from scratch to simplify and optimize the code, or they just straight-up port it, they will need to be able to read it and many things may bug up being thrust into a new engine. It's like putting an American in the UK. The language is the 'same', but the nuances will still screw him over. In my opinion it makes the most sense to use Unreal 4 when that's available. This should require the least amount of changes to get it working, and CCP can methodically port each function, method, class and data type over to the new architecture. That is a hell-of-a-lot more sane than starting with a blank screen in a text editor. I'm not sure if you read the article, but he describes the right way to make these types of changes. Unreal 4 seems the best if they can't use the original Carbon version (not some new one)