Gallente is faster than the Caldari. adjust it.

According to the Market in game, the Gallente and Caldari Medium Frame, Logistics, and Assault Suits all move at the same speed (5m, and 7m for the Frame and Assault Suits and 4.7, and 6.58 for the Logi's). I just took that idea and applied to the other Frame suits as well. If you can tell me how much faster the Gallente suits are (and where you got that information), I'd be more than happy to adjust it.

Why not make scouts faster?

It already takes forever to walk halfway across the map to the null cannons, we don't need to move even slower.

Buff Scouts.

Some one told me that in EVE, the Caldari Ships are actually slower than the Gallente innately, it's just that Gallente armor tanking slows them down.

Minmatar: Base Movement - 6.05, Sprint -7.87([b]8.26[/b]with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.45, Crouch - 3.03, Crouch Strafe - 2.72

Frame rate issue, and the buff would lead to another unwarranted nerf.

Imagine the QQ if AR aim assisted scrubs couldn't hit scouts.

I have to admit, I was expecting a larger response from the Scout Community, as I believe the proposed changes are exactly what we've been asking for. As such, I think I'm going to keep this on the main page for awhile, in order to keep the idea fresh in peoples minds.

As always, if anyone has any ideas for tweaks, and/or refinement, please feel free to share.

TL;DR *EDITED: Changed Sprint Speed to 35%, Added racial speed variants to all suits

Without going into to why this is necessary (as there are many other threads that have already covered this in detail), I propose this idea to the current dynamic.

First, make every Frame suit .9m faster that the one below it. So Medium Frame Suits would be .9m faster than Heavies, and Light Frames would be .9m faster than Mediums. Using Amarr as the baseline for suit speeds, racial speed bonuses would be thus: Amarr (+0m), Caldari (+.10m), Gallente (+.20m), Minmatar (+.30m).

Second, increase the speed for the Commando, Assault, and Scout Suits by .3m in relation to their corresponding Frames.

Third, reduce sprint speed from plus 40% base movement to plus 35% base movement.

Finally, increase crouch speed to 50% base movement.

So it would look like this:

Heavy Frames

Amarr: Base Movement - 3.65, Sprint - 4.93(5.17 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.29, Crouch - 1.83, Crouch Strafe - 1.64

Caldari: Base Movement - 3.75, Sprint - 5.06(5.32 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.38, Crouch - 1.88, Crouch Strafe - 1.69

Gallente: Base Movement - 3.85, Sprint - 5.2(5.46 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.47, Crouch - 1.93, Crouch Strafe - 1.73

Minmatar: Base Movement - 3.95, Sprint - 5.33(5.60 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.56, Crouch - 1.98, Crouch Strafe - 1.78

Medium Frames

Amarr: Base Movement 4.55, Sprint -6.14(6.45 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.1, Crouch - 2.28, Crouch Strafe - 2.05

Caldari: Base Movement - 4.65, Sprint - 6.28 (6.59 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.19, Crouch - 2.33, Crouch Strafe - 2.09

Gallente: Base Movement - 4.75, Sprint - 6.41 (6.73 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.28, Crouch - 2.38, Crouch Strafe - 2.14

Minmatar: Base Movement - 4.85, Sprint -6.55(6.87 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.37, Crouch - 2.43, Crouch Strafe - 2.18

Light Frames

Amarr: Base Movement 5.45, Sprint -7.38(7.73 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.91, Crouch - 2.73, Crouch Strafe - 2.45

Caldari: Base Movement - 5.55, Sprint - 7.49 (7.87 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.00, Crouch - 2.78, Crouch Strafe - 2.50

Gallente: Base Movement - 5.65, Sprint - 7.63 (8.01 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.09, Crouch - 2.83, Crouch Strafe - 2.54

Minmatar: Base Movement - 5.75, Sprint -7.76(8.15 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.18, Crouch - 2.88, Crouch Strafe - 2.59

Specialty Suits:

Commando

Amarr: Base Movement 3.95, Sprint -5.33(5.60 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.56, Crouch - 1.98, Crouch Strafe - 1.78

Caldari: Base Movement - 4.05, Sprint - 5.47 (5.74 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.65, Crouch - 2.03, Crouch Strafe - 1.82

Gallente: Base Movement - 4.15, Sprint - 5.60 (5.88 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.74, Crouch - 2.08, Crouch Strafe - 1.87

Minmatar: Base Movement - 4.25, Sprint -5.74(6.02 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 3.83, Crouch - 2.13, Crouch Strafe - 1.91

Assault

Amarr: Base Movement 4.85, Sprint -6.55(6.87 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.37, Crouch - 2.43, Crouch Strafe - 2.18

Caldari: Base Movement - 4.95, Sprint - 6.68 (7.02 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.46, Crouch - 2.48, Crouch Strafe - 2.23

Gallente: Base Movement - 5.05, Sprint - 6.82 (7.16 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.55, Crouch - 2.53, Crouch Strafe - 2.27

Minmatar: Base Movement - 5.15, Sprint -6.95(7.30 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 4.64, Crouch - 2.58, Crouch Strafe - 2.32

Scout

Amarr: Base Movement 5.75, Sprint -7.76(8.15 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.18, Crouch - 2.88, Crouch Strafe - 2.59

Caldari: Base Movement - 5.85, Sprint - 7.90 (8.29 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.27, Crouch - 2.93, Crouch Strafe - 2.63

Gallente: Base Movement - 5.95, Sprint - 8.03 (8.43 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.36, Crouch - 2.98, Crouch Strafe - 2.68

Minmatar: Base Movement - 6.05, Sprint -8.17(8.56 with Lvl 5 Biotics), Strafe - 5.45, Crouch - 3.03, Crouch Strafe - 2.72

Now this should give Scouts back their speed advantage, and draw a definitive line between all thee Frames in regards to movement, with only a few changes to the other suits; Most notably the Mediums Frames dropping to current Logi speeds, and the Minnie Assault dropping by .15m. The reduction of Sprint Speed from 40% to 35% allows the Scout to have its speed buff, but still keep it under the threshold where the system can't handle it. When CCP fixes the issue of Scouts moving too fast to render properly, they can bump the sprint speed back to 40%.

There still is the problem of GalScouts being able to out Speed Tank the Minnie, which I don't like, but the only solution I can think (that doesn't take away from what they already have), is to add a 2% bonus to Sprint Speed to the Minmatar Light Frame Skill. But then we'd have to figure out what bonuses to add to the other Frame Suits just to keep it balanced.

I'll post it to scouts united. Maybe it'll get more responses.

Gotta say, lovin the speed changes.

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i would love the changes to speed, the problem is that right now scouts have kind of adapted to put stealth before speed, now dont get me wrong if this was implemented i would probably jump around naked doing the helicopter out of sheer happiness

Minmatar (at least Scout and Assault) suits should have an even slightly higher base to offset the fact that other racial suits with more low slots can easily speed tank better than them.

I have no problem with other racials being better at speed tanking but they should have to near jeopardize their entire setup to achieve it.

I have to admit, I was expecting a larger response from the Scout Community, as I believe the proposed changes are exactly what we've been asking for. As such, I think I'm going to keep this on the main page for awhile, in order to keep the idea fresh in peoples minds.

As always, if anyone has any ideas for tweaks, and/or refinement, please feel free to share.

Good stuff, Hagintora. This thread reminds me of aeon amadi's "widen the speed gap" request. He concluded that if scouts can't be fast due to performance constraints, then medium frames should be made slower.

The reason this hasn't gotten a bigger response from the scout community is that nobody expects a change in scouts till what? 1.8 if we're lucky. But more likely 1.9 - maybe not till 2.0. 1.6 is going to be minor and 1.7 will be vehicles almost exclusively I would bet. Haven't you ever noticed that Scout threads never get a dev response? Don't you find it odd that the most clearly imbalanced suit in the game receives no attention from the developers?

They have no plans for scouts - at least none that they have begun to implement or test. So they ignore us and hope we'll just keep playing.

Also, it's a PIPE dream to think that they will slow down other suits to give scouts any sort of buff. Assaults/Logis would rage and since they're the majority they would get their way. The speed "buff" you proposed also wouldn't stop scouts from getting AR r@ped as assault turn speed would stay the same and for some reason ARs do the same amount of damage at 10m as they do at 70 m these days.

Scouting is dead. And it will remain dead because scrubs in medium/heavy suits would complain if they couldn't get their easy kills on us. That's all.