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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:31:00 -
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So waiting for my fellow rainbows to finish up yet another pubstomp I went and checked out the various pre fitted and other aurum packs. And what a load of BS they are. Who the hell would ever want a 100 pieces of a module that boosts melee damage by 15%?
They're all terribly bad just like all the starter fits are. "Check out which assault suit you like best!" - How the hell is that possibru by using 4 different basic suits without any suit or racial bonus? Its pointless as a way to decide which suit you'd like best 2.8 million SP later....
So an idea started to form, we should present actual fittings used by actual players. Like for example:
"13ears Asault mayhem"
"The Dark Clouds rooftop dominance"
"Taz's tank buster"
-You get the idea.
I'll give an example of my ECO PUB fit:
Caldari logi suit, enhanced 3 proto shield extenders 2 basic armor plates GEK M1 Locus nades 2 kompact nanohives 1 enhanced scanner.
About 740 HP with spare ammo/armor regen and a pretty neat scanner, all with decent weaponry. A suit that most players would deem OK, especially given its 50-60 K isk price tag.
These fittings should definately not require any SP to use, nor the correct level of core upgrades and weapon skills in relation to having enough PG and CPU. So I'll reccomend sticking strictly with enhanced gear with the exception of shield and armor modules. The point being to bridge the HP gap as much as possible. And these being pre-fits made by veteran players, they should be made unchangeable as a trade off for not needing the same amount of core skills/weapon uppgrades to actually have room to fit them like they are.
TDLR: The whole point is to give new players supporting the game with AUR the chance to use actual fittings from experienced players, not the silly fittings CCP is makeing....
Not related but cool, my montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1193
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:34:00 -
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Nothing?
Really?
- Nobody loves me |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1661
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:37:00 -
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Hell no !! leave my fits alone !! And hell NO to Vets Fits...that is the last thing we need, 16 13ears's in one match, one is bad enough. |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
163
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:39:00 -
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Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1193
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:57:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed.
I've read it 3 times, didn't help. I can't figure out what you're trying to say. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1193
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:59:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Hell no !! leave my fits alone !! And hell NO to Vets Fits...that is the last thing we need, 16 13ears's in one match , one is bad enough.
Perhaps then more people will realize its more about the man behind the suit rather than this moronic idea many have that proto gear + Sill points = beast players.
I doubt many would do as good as he does on average by merely having the same fitting. |
Jinx Rollin
Commando Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:00:00 -
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LOL stick to pubstomping. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1661
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:01:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed. I've read it 3 times, didn't help. I can't figure out what you're trying to say.
If understand correctly.... is something like this;
Making your own Fits is part of the game, if you using someone else Fit you don't playing the game correctly.
Something like that anyway. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1293
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:06:00 -
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loldarkcloud fits
Isnt taz and dark cloud fits the same? cal logi 3 dmg mods and proto swarms with bunny hopping a requirement |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5716
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:06:00 -
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So when you die in the 13ear fit several times, do you automatically switch to the opposing team and/or send hate mail complaining about lag switches? |
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1197
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:09:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:loldarkcloud fits
Isnt taz and dark cloud fits the same? cal logi 3 dmg mods and proto swarms with bunny hopping a requirement
None of those use Cal logi as far as I know. Merely put here as examples of good players I know with way different playstyles than me. Taz is a very good AV player, he's all over the map. The Dark Cloud is one of the best campers or "area denial" players I know of. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1661
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:11:00 -
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The thing is, i pretty much can guess that guys Fits...Just let them kill you ( I know, not hard ) and look at their equipment, you can get a good idea of their fit layout.
Why i will spend AUR, when i can just do that ? |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
391
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:12:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Hell no !! leave my fits alone !! And hell NO to Vets Fits...that is the last thing we need, 16 13ears's in one match , one is bad enough. just because they carry bears gear does not mean they are him. and i will enjoy costing them they're suits |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
391
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:13:00 -
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i love ur idea babar GG |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:14:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:loldarkcloud fits
Isnt taz and dark cloud fits the same? cal logi 3 dmg mods and proto swarms with bunny hopping a requirement None of those use Cal logi as far as I know. Merely put here as examples of good players I know with way different playstyles than me. Taz is a very good AV player, he's all over the map. The Dark Cloud is one of the best campers or "area denial" players I know of.
Last PC i saw taz use that same setup with bunny hopping included, same with cloud except he was on a tower
Can really do that on any of the new maps/sockets so any tower camping fits is invalid
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1011
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:16:00 -
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At least some logistics fittings, heavy fittings, and things other than scout fittings. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1197
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:18:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:The thing is, i pretty much can guess that guys Fits...Just let them kill you ( I know, not hard ) and look at their equipment, you can get a good idea of their fit layout.
Why i will spend AUR, when i can just do that ?
This is not meant for veteran players like us.
Well if you're a noob with no idea at all, why not try some various "high profile player" fittings before spending your skillpoints?
-It beatss the CCP made prefabs which are all useles. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
385
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:20:00 -
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He has a point, the CCP fits are kinda flawed. Seeing as its probs new players going for them, make both the auto-fits and the basic standard fits just tank hit points to begin with. Let people customise. |
Drapedup Drippedout
G.U.T.Z
19
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:20:00 -
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When I go tryhard in pub matches, for Minassault:
1x cmplx dmg mod 2x enh shield extend
Gek38 M152A SMG (the advanced one, name may be wrong) M1 Locus
1x enh armor 1x enh cpu upgrad
Equip tends to revolve around what my squad is MISSING.
Generally either run basic scanner for ambush or K2 Hives for skirm
Granted I'm also lvl 4 on core electronics and eng, but even if you run the lower stuff, I still like the balance of this build. You can swap out a shield ext for a dmg mod if you need it. I switched once AR prof hit 5.
If you need to save CPU/PG I've found sacrificing the m152A for the Toxin SMG is the best move. If you need more, I tend to put locus grenades instead of M1, though that is a personal preference as the locus seem to hit about as much as M1 for me. Of note, I tend to play very aggressive with this build. It runs about 35K isk a pop, but my worst matches tend to be around 20-8 in skirmish and 12-2 or 3 in Ambush. The build definitely reflects my play style. |
Protocake JR
Ancient Exiles
725
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:24:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Hell no !! leave my fits alone !! And hell NO to Vets Fits...that is the last thing we need, 16 13ears's in one match , one is bad enough.
Are you serious?
Implying fittings automatically turn scrubs into pro pub stompers is just lol.
Good idea babar. Someone needs to step in and show CCP how to fit their AUR/starter fits. +1 |
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1199
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:28:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:So when you die in the 13ear fit several times, do you automatically switch to the opposing team and/or send hate mail complaining about lag switches?
No, don't be silly, that would be too complicated.
You merely leave battle at death nr 3.... |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1661
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:28:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Hell no !! leave my fits alone !! And hell NO to Vets Fits...that is the last thing we need, 16 13ears's in one match , one is bad enough. Are you serious? Implying fittings automatically turn scrubs into pro pub stompers is just lol.
Yeah, sorry... i see what you mean....A Militia Fit without Core skills can kick the ass of a Protobear if the Player is a Pro.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1053
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:34:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Hell no !! leave my fits alone !! And hell NO to Vets Fits...that is the last thing we need, 16 13ears's in one match , one is bad enough. Perhaps then more people will realize its more about the man behind the suit rather than this moronic idea many have that proto gear + Sill points = beast players. I doubt many would do as good as he does on average by merely having the same fitting. ^This. True.
And somehow, this message needs to be communicated to new player. That is the real duty of the NPE/Tutorial/Walkthrough.
Personally I believe a walkthrough is required to communicate this message so a merc knows it in his belly, otoh, i'd be perfectly happy if CCP could prove me wrong and do it with their objective-based approach.
I would love if some of the elite crews would roll militia toons, train no skills, use only starter fits and run some pubs and record the results. It would provide a beacon of hope for new players and maybe serve to prevent some misdirected rage, partially generated by peeps on the forums incorrectly pointing the finger at the sp gap/gear gap. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1028
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:46:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed.
There is nothing wrong to playing to win.
If CCP can't make the game robust enough to resist a "playas" attempt to game the system its thier fault, not the players. |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
163
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:48:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:KingBabar wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed. I've read it 3 times, didn't help. I can't figure out what you're trying to say. If understand correctly.... is something like this; Making your own Fits is part of the game, if you using someone else Fit you don't playing the game correctly. Something like that anyway. No, I'm saying that running a suit that go so blatantly against the racial fitting doctrine is 'gaming the system'. A Dual-Tanked Cal-Logi with Triage Hives?
The more people that 'game the system' the more likely things are to be nerfed. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1662
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:54:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:KingBabar wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed. I've read it 3 times, didn't help. I can't figure out what you're trying to say. If understand correctly.... is something like this; Making your own Fits is part of the game, if you using someone else Fit you don't playing the game correctly. Something like that anyway. No, I'm saying that running a suit that go so blatantly against the racial fitting doctrine is 'gaming the system'. A Dual-Tanked Cal-Logi with Triage Hives? The more people that 'game the system' the more likely things are to be nerfed.
All suddenly i like this idea a lot...Keep using Proto suits for AUR to ALL the Proto suits gets nerfed ... I like it !! |
Protocake JR
Ancient Exiles
725
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:55:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:KingBabar wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed. I've read it 3 times, didn't help. I can't figure out what you're trying to say. If understand correctly.... is something like this; Making your own Fits is part of the game, if you using someone else Fit you don't playing the game correctly. Something like that anyway. No, I'm saying that running a suit that go so blatantly against the racial fitting doctrine is 'gaming the system'. A Dual-Tanked Cal-Logi with Triage Hives? The more people that 'game the system' the more likely things are to be nerfed.
Um, it's not "gaming the system". Did you even pay attention to their E3 marketing push? There are no restrictions to what you are allowed to fit. There are no strict racial fitting guidelines that need to be followed. If there were, CCP would have designed the game to be that way. |
Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
437
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:11:00 -
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A Very good Idea.
Heres 'Guineveres SVER Support Suit of Doom'. Note not Medic... Support. (Sticking to enhanced Modules)
1 SVER Logistic Suit
1 Enhanced Shield Extender 1 Enhanced Damage Mod (Though give them a complex if you make them use a basic rifle..)
1 'Exile' Assault Rifle or GEK Depending on the damage mod.
1 K2 Hive 1 Active Scanner 1 Stable Uplink
1 Enhanced plate 1 Enhanced Active plate
Now that IS worth paying for, no double stacking mods either! :) |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1199
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:13:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:KingBabar wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Because your fit is crap, it supports gaming the system to win, rather than playing the game the way that CCP envisioned.
Fitting like these are why things get nerfed. I've read it 3 times, didn't help. I can't figure out what you're trying to say. If understand correctly.... is something like this; Making your own Fits is part of the game, if you using someone else Fit you don't playing the game correctly. Something like that anyway. No, I'm saying that running a suit that go so blatantly against the racial fitting doctrine is 'gaming the system'. A Dual-Tanked Cal-Logi with Triage Hives? The more people that 'game the system' the more likely things are to be nerfed.
Its a dual tanked cal logi with hybrid hives, to be clear.
And its a brilliant combo that gives a lot of tank and the ability to get it back at a rapid rate, the armor at least, when you're in a pinch.
The cal logi users I've spoken to lately all use from 2 basic armor plates up to even 3 enhanced ones for the proto suit... |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1199
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:17:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:A Very good Idea.
Heres 'Guineveres SVER Support Suit of Doom'. Note not Medic... Support. (Sticking to enhanced Modules)
1 SVER Logistic Suit
1 Enhanced Shield Extender 1 Enhanced Damage Mod (Though give them a complex if you make them use a basic rifle..)
1 'Exile' Assault Rifle or GEK Depending on the damage mod.
1 K2 Hive 1 Active Scanner 1 Stable Uplink
1 Enhanced plate 1 Enhanced Active plate
Now that IS worth paying for, no double stacking mods either! :)
Now we're in the spirit of things! (No nades?)
Can you post one with max EHP? Meaning you're allowed to use proto shield and armor modules, and the rest at max enhanced level, depending on what you'll be able to fit. Make it fill out as much CPU/PG as you can. And what would the total HP become? |
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