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Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 359	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:20:00 - [31] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: While we have the classic features of a human being, weaklings that they are, how can us mercs be considered them anymore? Yes we die, but we never cease to exist. The lesser ones get one chance, we get infinite. If a normal human tried to pick up our guns (let alone a capsuleer), they'd hurt themselves. If they didn't, as soon as they fired, they'd melt their skin. Have you looked at the temperature regulator in our dropsuits? I have and the air around us is superheated. And I's like to see a single human pick up an HMG by himself, like we can. I know, I know, we have an exoskeleton on our Heavy suit, but it still stands. We also have extensive shielding and armor on lighter suit-types. A baseliner human might suffer a broken arm from firing a shotgun even with a scout dropsuit, but it's not like they'd catch on fire. We're all still squishy biomass underneath it all. To be an infomorph is to be an informational entity, defined by data, not by any single body, but don't buy the hype. We're not truly immortal, any more than a computer program that is transferred from machine to machine. We just no longer die of quite the same things-- at least, unless we are cut off from supplies. Most of the first generation of our kind is dead, remember.
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 35	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:42:00 - [32] - Quote I find killing amusing, the staggering to the ground, the feel of a kill and the challenge but I only kill creatures of greed for we our made of greed and evil with a tiny spark of goodness. We must kill, not to get paid but to survive in this industrial world of greed, evil, and bloodshed. We simply fuel their markets in a cycle the will never end. As for the capsuller side, well I've heard them spit their lies. They shall never be what we are and we can't go to the endless black void of space so leave it a stalemate I do not fear my enemies, I fear the damn blueberries
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 398	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:37:00 - [33] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: I find killing amusing, the staggering to the ground, the feel of a kill and the challenge but I only kill creatures of greed for we our made of greed and evil with a tiny spark of goodness. We must kill, not to get paid but to survive in this industrial world of greed, evil, and bloodshed. We simply fuel their markets in a cycle the will never end. As for the capsuller side, well I've heard them spit their lies. They shall never be what we are and we can't go to the endless black void of space so leave it a stalemate And people think my worldview is dark. "Evil" is an easy, imprecise word denoting something we think the universe (or the gods, or God) would consider an enemy. Identifying others in this way makes it okay to kill them. Defining one's self in this way (much more uncommon) declares an exception to society's rules-- it essentially claims license to act on a whim, while bragging that one can weather the consequences and daring society to try to enforce its mores. Personally, I find it simpler, and less depressing, to let the universe's moral sensibilities take care of themselves and focus on what I see in the world that is worth defending. Civilization produces plenty of suffering, and feeds the greed of some at the expense of others, perhaps-- but that is nothing to the horror that would be humans in a state of nature: insular, tribal in the most narrow and limited sense, protective of their nearest and dearest and vicious towards the stranger. To "civilize" the human animal is a worthwhile project: "good," if you like. It's just incomplete, and unlikely to ever really be completed. This is not such a terrible thing....
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6271	Posted - 2014.01.28 18:57:00 - [34] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: I find killing amusing, the staggering to the ground, the feel of a kill and the challenge but I only kill creatures of greed for we our made of greed and evil with a tiny spark of goodness. We must kill, not to get paid but to survive in this industrial world of greed, evil, and bloodshed. We simply fuel their markets in a cycle the will never end. As for the capsuller side, well I've heard them spit their lies. They shall never be what we are and we can't go to the endless black void of space so leave it a stalemate That is the view of a weak man.....and only weak men believe what they do in battle defines who they are as men. We could be so much more, and stand for such greater causes, enact great feats that normal men and women could only dream of. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:11:00 - [35] - Quote Raises eyebrow "Weak man?,hah, that is of war if you want I can say a long speech about us, but I do not think we have much time for that, do you?" Author of A Raven's Call/ we fight for nothing but the almighty ISK- Sir Ravenwing
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6300	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:42:00 - [36] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: Raises eyebrow "Weak man?,hah, that is of war if you want I can say a long speech about us, but I do not think we have much time for that, do you?" I would listen to your "speech" as you call it. As I said. A weak man divines his purpose from war. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:44:00 - [37] - Quote Our porpose is far too complex to describe fully besides I suck at describing stuff so... Our every cell breathes war from blind-minded man's point of view and I agree that is from weak minded men who are too arrogrant to see beyond what is easy to find. Your purpose is to serve your god, I know this for who you are and denak's purpose is to correct, mine is unknown so I fight till I have my answer if you wanted my speech too bad maybe tomorrow I'll speak but for now I am out of breath Author of A Raven's Call/ we fight for nothing but the almighty ISK- Sir Ravenwing
Mister0Zz Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 102	Posted - 2014.01.30 11:19:00 - [38] - Quote Conflict is not our purpose, it is a deeply physical manner of communication that is only truly understood by the immortal. A mortal man dies when he is shot, but when the Immortal is shot he Is being challenged, and in those challenges lies moments and truths beholden only to those freed from the finality of death. We fight to learn, we fight to earn isk, we fight for happiness and to enjoy the company of our comrades on the battlefield. Strong bonds are tempered through conflict while some are born from it and others often broken by it. Conflict is not our purpose. But it often proves an effective method of communicating one's purpose
Mister0Zz Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 102	Posted - 2014.01.30 11:26:00 - [39] - Quote For the record, i have a capsuleer clone and an infantry clone. I spend around equal time in both going where I'm needed most. We're not different, just a quick transfer of consciousness and any one of you could climb out of a pod
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 955	Posted - 2014.01.30 11:27:00 - [40] - Quote Mister0Zz wrote: For the record, i have a capsuleer clone and an infantry clone. I spend around equal time in both going where I'm needed most. We're not different, just a quick transfer of consciousness and any one of you could climb out of a pod Bullshit. Everyone knows that you can not be a capsuleer and a duster at the same time, regardless if you have different clones. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6406	Posted - 2014.01.30 19:47:00 - [41] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Mister0Zz wrote: For the record, i have a capsuleer clone and an infantry clone. I spend around equal time in both going where I'm needed most. We're not different, just a quick transfer of consciousness and any one of you could climb out of a pod Bullshit. Everyone knows that you can not be a capsuleer and a duster at the same time, regardless if you have different clones. Denak is right, so far as I know the implants are currently mutually exclusive... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6217	Posted - 2014.01.30 20:34:00 - [42] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Mister0Zz wrote: For the record, i have a capsuleer clone and an infantry clone. I spend around equal time in both going where I'm needed most. We're not different, just a quick transfer of consciousness and any one of you could climb out of a pod Bullshit. Everyone knows that you can not be a capsuleer and a duster at the same time, regardless if you have different clones. Denak is right, so far as I know the implants are currently mutually exclusive... This is accurate. The different technologies involved with capsuleers and immortal soldiers interfere with each other too much that it is impossible for one consciousness to be both. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Mister0Zz Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 102	Posted - 2014.01.31 01:24:00 - [43] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Mister0Zz wrote: For the record, i have a capsuleer clone and an infantry clone. I spend around equal time in both going where I'm needed most. We're not different, just a quick transfer of consciousness and any one of you could climb out of a pod Bullshit. Everyone knows that you can not be a capsuleer and a duster at the same time, regardless if you have different clones. Denak is right, so far as I know the implants are currently mutually exclusive... This is accurate. The different technologies involved with capsuleers and immortal soldiers interfere with each other too much that it is impossible for one consciousness to be both. That is a common misconception, but our clones are designed to interface with the same CRUs that the capsuleers do. All combat relevant data is stored in the implant itself and is therefore incompatible with a capsuleer clone because the data doesn't transfer with the consciousness like usual. In other words When i can fight i cant fly And when i fly i cant fight but the consciousness transfer happens just the same
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6424	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:17:00 - [44] - Quote Mister0Zz wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Mister0Zz wrote: For the record, i have a capsuleer clone and an infantry clone. I spend around equal time in both going where I'm needed most. We're not different, just a quick transfer of consciousness and any one of you could climb out of a pod Bullshit. Everyone knows that you can not be a capsuleer and a duster at the same time, regardless if you have different clones. Denak is right, so far as I know the implants are currently mutually exclusive... This is accurate. The different technologies involved with capsuleers and immortal soldiers interfere with each other too much that it is impossible for one consciousness to be both. That is a common misconception, but our clones are designed to interface with the same CRUs that the capsuleers do. All combat relevant data is stored in the implant itself and is therefore incompatible with a capsuleer clone because the data doesn't transfer with the consciousness like usual. In other words When i can fight i cant fly And when i fly i cant fight but the consciousness transfer happens just the same ((Can you confirm that canonically, I believe CCP somewhere has stated we cloned soldiers cannot become capsuleers. I will look into this.)) "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6262	Posted - 2014.01.31 03:41:00 - [45] - Quote ((also the simple fact that you cannot link your EVE and Dust accounts so they are two separate characters with different names and all . . . )) ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
shadow drake35 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 36	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:52:00 - [46] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Every once in a while i find a Pilot that says being a merc is easy. That it requires no skill or that any one can shoot a gun. When i see this i laugh. I mean you can do a lot but you can't do what i do. You can't dodge an enemy squad of 6 then kill them all. You can't square off against a heavy and win. I must say one thing's true you will GO 514 before your 2nd battle. I have my immortality not because i can be a fancy mail man, not because I can shoot lasers at rocks, and certainly not for being confined in a chair all day. I earn my immortality because i am a skilled killer, because i can commit acts of destruction with out thinking about it. I can run up to my enemy and brutality stab in the face after ripping his mask off. I can charge a point fearless killing my enemies not giving one thought about dying. I can personally kill someone not from space through a strike of some sorts, but face to face. I get to see my prey's face of terror when the crumple. So I must ask do you think that capsuleers can do our jobs. dust take skill not clicking a mic to got there and type a distance for a attack The Mercenary Way Who cares about race as long as the job is done and i get paid.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6471	Posted - 2014.02.02 18:12:00 - [47] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Every once in a while i find a Pilot that says being a merc is easy. That it requires no skill or that any one can shoot a gun. When i see this i laugh. I mean you can do a lot but you can't do what i do. You can't dodge an enemy squad of 6 then kill them all. You can't square off against a heavy and win. I must say one thing's true you will GO 514 before your 2nd battle. I have my immortality not because i can be a fancy mail man, not because I can shoot lasers at rocks, and certainly not for being confined in a chair all day. I earn my immortality because i am a skilled killer, because i can commit acts of destruction with out thinking about it. I can run up to my enemy and brutality stab in the face after ripping his mask off. I can charge a point fearless killing my enemies not giving one thought about dying. I can personally kill someone not from space through a strike of some sorts, but face to face. I get to see my prey's face of terror when the crumple. So I must ask do you think that capsuleers can do our jobs. dust take skill not clicking a mic to got there and type a distance for a attack Seems like you have very little idea abour what capsuleers actually do. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Skilfer Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 59	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:02:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ((Can you confirm that canonically, I believe CCP somewhere has stated we cloned soldiers cannot become capsuleers. I will look into this.)) ((In Templar One they explain that primary implant used in capsuleers requires massive cloning facilities in stations (consciousness trasfers from clone --> facility --> clone) while the one being used in DUST mercs transfers it directly from clone to clone. Let us add on the fact that the two fields are EXTREMELY speciallized, require two vastly different skill sets, skill books can only be downloaded one at a time, and the fact that implants and clones are sold by corporate entities. This importance of the last fact is that it is more profitable to make alliances and corporations purchase multiple types of clones and implants than it is to try and create masterkey versions that fit everything. I hope that helps! ))
Dagger-Two Tharumec 227	Posted - 2014.02.06 20:36:00 - [49] - Quote (( Hate to do this ooc but it seems clarification is needed. To be a capsuleer you need a specific genetic markers, which themselves are very rare. Not everyone can be a capsuleer. Even if you had the cybernetics installed, without the correct genes you would 'wetgrave' when you connected to the capsule, your mind becoming locked in with the system, resulting in permanant coma. Anyone can have the merc implant installed. A capsuleer could technically create a jump clone of himself, forsaking the large cerebro-spinal implant for the merc one, but from that point 'jumping' back to the capsuleer body would be a problen, since it is impossible to say if the data stored in the implant could be accessed, and even if it could, how it could be mapped to an organic brain. )) Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1085	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:52:00 - [50] - Quote it's like the whole armed forces argument that it seems like military people get into hilarious arguments over. The Navy is better than the Airforce, but the Army is better than the Navy, But the Airforce is better than the Navy, add your offensive-yet-hilarious jokes too --- You gotta have some respect for capsuleers tho. They do more stat checking and have to deal with mostly outsmarting and playing chess with their opponents even on 1v1. Pretty sure a lot of them deal with more politics than us but I'm sure will get there sooner or later. Everything else I'm highly ignorant on still. At the same they, they have to respect us. We put more...physical action into the game, if you will. We can't point and click a target. We must use our personal reaction skills, muscle memory, tactical thinking, spatial awareness, distance guessing, etc. It's funny really... By the time Dust really gets off the ground, Valkyrie pilots will be ready to go through what we went through(if they're really getting placed into the active EVE world). Will probably be treating them the same. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 568	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:38:00 - [51] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: it's like the whole armed forces argument that it seems like military people get into hilarious arguments over. The Navy is better than the Airforce, but the Army is better than the Navy, But the Airforce is better than the Navy, add your offensive-yet-hilarious jokes too --- You gotta have some respect for capsuleers tho. They do more stat checking and have to deal with mostly outsmarting and playing chess with their opponents even on 1v1. Pretty sure a lot of them deal with more politics than us but I'm sure will get there sooner or later. Everything else I'm highly ignorant on still. At the same they, they have to respect us. We put more...physical action into the game, if you will. We can't point and click a target. We must use our personal reaction skills, muscle memory, tactical thinking, spatial awareness, distance guessing, etc. It's funny really... By the time Dust really gets off the ground, Valkyrie pilots will be ready to go through what we went through(if they're really getting placed into the active EVE world). Will probably be treating them the same. ((Please place parenthesis around OOC statements and questions. Better yet don't say them at all. Will edit my post when you do.)) What the hell is a Valkyrie pilot? Are you referring to the EVE gate? Who says you can't kill in style? When CCP plays Dust514
21yrOld Knight Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 521	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:24:00 - [52] - Quote Wow this topic has a lot of debate behind. I have met more pilots since I made my first statements. My mind hasn't changed. In fact it I have a even firmer believe on the subject. A lot of misconceptions also. 1.8 must be a porn star because it is taking a long time to come.
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 359	Posted - 2014.03.11 08:50:00 - [53] - Quote You should remember that capsuleers just see those ships what they destroys,and they dont see agony and misery what they cause with their attacks in colonys and space stations and civs etc etc.So they dont remorse those things,other hand we mercs are aware those things and i haven`t heard any talk of us mercs have hitted against civs. Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Hawk-eye Occultus Omega Elite Mercs INC. 68	Posted - 2014.03.11 09:28:00 - [54] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: You should remember that capsuleers just see those ships what they destroys,and they dont see agony and misery what they cause with their attacks in colonys and space stations and civs etc etc.So they dont remorse those things,other hand we mercs are aware those things and i haven`t heard any talk of us mercs have hitted against civs. Depends how large the ships are. If you have a frigate piloted by a capsuleer, and they fly past an exploded battleship, they will be able to see the corpses of the crew floating all around them. The capsuleer in the dreadnought will not, however, as his camera drones orbit so far from him (and possibly the battle) that he can barely make out that frigate, unless he starts actively searching for it. It's all about scale. CONTRACTS: ' Remember, whenever we need muscle; we simply farm it out to our favourite band of shady missionaries...
Kitt 514 True North. 143	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:19:00 - [55] - Quote As a pod pilot, and a merc... Piloting a ship is much more difficult.
Dagger-Two Tharumec Villore Accords 257	Posted - 2014.03.16 08:23:00 - [56] - Quote Kitt 514 wrote: As a pod pilot, and a merc... Piloting a ship is much more difficult. ((Ugh, for the umpteenth time, you can't be a capsuleer and a mercenary, the two are incompatible. This is established lore which should be followed if you're going to use this in-character channel. )) Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Foehammerr Immortal Guides 10	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:34:00 - [57] - Quote I made friend a while back who got into the business of being a capsuleer for supporting the Gallente cause by performing orbital strikes for us mercs. While in one of our text chats, we came to a topic similar to this one. If I remember correctly, he said that Capsuleer tech (implants, pods, and the like) comes from those Joivan types. Since we all agree that our implants come from the Sleepers (different people right?), it makes sense that our tech don't cross well. And while we're on the subjects of them space jockeys, I never really understood why that resent us as much as they do. Now this ain't all of 'em, but my cap' friend told me that a loot of them really don't like us. maybe they just dont like the new kids on the block? I had the displeasure of running into one of these salty cap's early on in my career. I ain't seen so much animosity in someone, even downrange. Its like just the thought of us boils their processed, synthetic blood. I bet they fear us. They must think we're a threat to their way of life. The thought almost makes me laugh. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 567	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:09:00 - [58] - Quote Foehammerr wrote: I made friend a while back who got into the business of being a capsuleer for supporting the Gallente cause by performing orbital strikes for us mercs. While in one of our text chats, we came to a topic similar to this one. If I remember correctly, he said that Capsuleer tech (implants, pods, and the like) comes from those Joivan types. Since we all agree that our implants come from the Sleepers (different people right?), it makes sense that our tech don't cross well. And while we're on the subjects of them space jockeys, I never really understood why that resent us as much as they do. Now this ain't all of 'em, but my cap' friend told me that a loot of them really don't like us. maybe they just dont like the new kids on the block? I had the displeasure of running into one of these salty cap's early on in my career. I ain't seen so much animosity in someone, even downrange. Its like just the thought of us boils their processed, synthetic blood. I bet they fear us. They must think we're a threat to their way of life. The thought almost makes me laugh. I couldn't agree with you more. This guy looks like he is a fine merc. ( Our implants are based off of sleepers. The ones we use were created by the empires. If we had the original sleeper tech we would go 514 a lot. They are of different origin.) I like dust more then eve. Eve feels like work. Volunteer member of the Arkombine, but i don't want out.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 298	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:56:00 - [59] - Quote Not sure if I like all the extended family I have, must be by marriage. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Dagger-Two Tharumec Villore Accords 259	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:21:00 - [60] - Quote You could likely speculate on Capsuleer opinion for ages. I can tell you one thing, however. Amongst the ones I call friends, the general sentiment is fear. Not fear of your power, of being usurped or surpassed, but fear of what a new breed of immortals is capable of. Capsuleers already stain the skies with the blood of countless innocent people, and now immortal soldiers may soon do the same on our worlds. History has already borne witness to the atrocities that come with such power. This trans-humanism that is romanticized amongst the elite is a steep, slippery slope. It causes you to forget what is truly important, to forget where you came from or who you really are. You end up a shadow of your original self, a monster with no care for those not like you. It is these monsters they fear; that I fear. Capsuleer or mercenary, it does not matter. Both are threats to humanity at large. One day, sooner than you might like to think, the fighting will no longer be based around empires or ideologies, but around the very survival of our humanity against those who would see it destroyed. Some of us are already fighting... Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.



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