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trraacx
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:15:00 -
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I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. |
Draemus Acidborne
ThisIsWhyWeCantHaveNiceThings
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:19:00 -
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tanks not surviving... a militia swarm? one salvo? I wan't you to share whatever it is you're smoking. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
448
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:20:00 -
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Cos then the infantry we run with screw the AVers over.
Combined arms are important! |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2672
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:22:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home.
Some people don't skill into AV, and/or they delete the starter fits after playing for awhile. They might be used to running in squads where "someone else" takes care of that. You get the right collection of no-AV people running solo in a pub match, and then the tanks just roll over them. High enough level tankers can shrug of people running MLT Swarms anyhow, especially if the MLT Swarm crowd amounts to 1 or 2 people that aren't working together.
There's a post elsewhere here where three guys spider tanking took on another team with at least 3 or 4 to 1 odds. AV being "OP" doesn't help people if they haven't made AV fits or skilled into it.
It's similar to a team not having any one using links (you run into this in pubs). I guess in other matches or what-not, they're used to having someone else handle that for them, so none of them skilled into droplinks or feel like running those fits. So, they get routed easily, and no one can get out of the red zone because there's no spawn points elsewhere and the enemy is gunning people down when they spawn. |
Justice Prevails
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:25:00 -
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Try to sometimes. By the time I respawn tank has moved on, then I'm surrounded by infantry. A lot of times the tank and the rest of the team are very well coordinated. But I have also seen what you have suggested. Although rarely.
I use the militia swarm and a lot of times I barely make a dent. Will be speccing into av next because I hate tanks.
That being said. Have huge respect for tankers. Couldn't drive to save my life. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
805
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:29:00 -
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I've recently fallen in love with swarms and I'm happy to run around trying to take out the tanks and other vehicles, problem is that I'm not really much good for anything else, and switching between fits to be usable both ways usually is a timewaste.
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Sgt Buttscratch
SLAPHAPPY BANDITS
879
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:29:00 -
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MLT/STD swarmers - 1 or 2, almost a joke for a well prepped tank ADV - 1 is an issue but can be dealt with, 2 problem starts. Pro- FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU pain in the pee hole.
But your right if 4 or 5 people pulled out MLT swarmers the tanks would have issues. Worse AV i have been up aginst came from the vacuum cleaner corp......holy **** insta popped me. They dropped out a gorgon 6 proto swarmers and BOOOOM, my reps giggled when I tried to activate them, "lol, activation refused, you're ****** Michael" |
trraacx
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:37:00 -
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Draemus Acidborne wrote:tanks not surviving... a militia swarm? one salvo? I wan't you to share whatever it is you're smoking.
Your funny, obviously I meant the whole magazine. LAV's don't go down with a single salvo. It has only been in the last couple of weeks that I've seen tanks that can survive until I run out of ammo and dropships that can outrun them. It is still rare though. That is the point of the post. I used to be able to run vehicles off solo regularly with no skills. It now takes a village, or possibly skills I'm not interested in investing in. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
422
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:38:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Cos then the infantry we run with screw the AVers over.
Combined arms are important! I **** people up with my scream rifle while using my swarm fit, people just need to learn to use sidearms. |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:41:00 -
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I think in pub games you'll find as it's more an "every man for himself" situation most people just ignore the vehicles the best they can and keep fighting.
If a tank is parked on a spot and is just spamming suppresion fire I'll pull out AV. Unless I'm lucky I don't destroy the tank but usually one or two swarms plus an AV grenade is enough to get the tank running for cover. I think the problem is skill point investment - I find the risk/reward ratio of investing skills in AV is minimal because an AV fit is used so sparingly and the effort and reward for destroying a tank isn't fantastic (i can't remember the WP reward - 75 or 150 WP? - someone correct me here please)
There is never a game where you WON'T go up against infantry, which makes the investment in those skills and fits more rewarding in the long-term.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
344
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:44:00 -
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I can tank a single MLT swarm dude all but indefinitely. and as long as I've got good infanrty support and a place to hide I can take 2 with ease. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1639
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:45:00 -
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Because is useless ? I spent a full battle the other day shooting Swarm Missiles at a tank from a Supply Depot, i think i manage to get it's shields down for about 1 second .... or was 0.5 of a second ? |
trraacx
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:58:00 -
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Sure, but if one other guy was doing the same thing? Or two others? For some of the maps the tanks don't mean much, but I'll still see AR guys firing at them. No big deal, just wondering what people are thinking.
Banning Hammer wrote:Because is useless ? I spent a full battle the other day shooting Swarm Missiles at a tank from a Supply Depot, i think i manage to get it's shields down for about 1 second .... or was 0.5 of a second ?
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1640
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:05:00 -
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trraacx wrote:Sure, but if one other guy was doing the same thing? Or two others? For some of the maps the tanks don't mean much, but I'll still see AR guys firing at them. No big deal, just wondering what people are thinking. Banning Hammer wrote:Because is useless ? I spent a full battle the other day shooting Swarm Missiles at a tank from a Supply Depot, i think i manage to get it's shields down for about 1 second .... or was 0.5 of a second ?
No, you see... that is the problem. We all know that is pointless, so no one is trying anymore. If i see someone already shooting Swarms then i join in, but if not... i just carry on playing the game in the opposite side of the map. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
387
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:14:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. lol go ahead and spam mlt av ona tank im running gaurdian on i will drive my mlt av invincible lav into you and kill you all |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1372
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:16:00 -
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Whole team of FG's.... what ya goin t do? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5683
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:21:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Whole team of FG's.... what ya goin t do? Please note: adv SMG's too... could happily have dmg mods for them too lol... as who needs bonused FG's when you have 16 of them One Ishukone FG on a roof can shut down an entire opposing team's vehicles. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1042
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:22:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. It's a great question. I switch to AV immediately when i see armor on the field, and if i see more that one LAV or a dropship.
Why?
Because those fukkers need to be punished, hard and repeatedly, without remorse, for having the arrogance to deploy into my theatre of operations.
And for the LAV drivers, it's personal - i will make you pay for years for your murdur taxi lameness. I sincerely hope i'm not alone in this. We all need to work together to make the world a better place, after all. =) |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1640
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:23:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Whole team of FG's.... what ya goin t do? Please note: adv SMG's too... could happily have dmg mods for them too lol... as who needs bonused FG's when you have 16 of them
Right because for the FG you only need about 10,000 sp and..... oh... wait.... |
Thumb Green
Novashift
445
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:24:00 -
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trraacx wrote:Draemus Acidborne wrote:tanks not surviving... a militia swarm? one salvo? I wan't you to share whatever it is you're smoking. Your funny, obviously I meant the whole magazine. LAV's don't go down with a single salvo. It has only been in the last couple of weeks that I've seen tanks that can survive until I run out of ammo and dropships that can outrun them. It is still rare though. That is the point of the post. I used to be able to run vehicles off solo regularly with no skills. It now takes a village, or possibly skills I'm not interested in investing in.
If you're solo killing tanks with a single clip of militia swarms they're either shitfit militia tanks (even my soma can survive a single militia swarmer and I'm only skilled into turrets & a standard repper) or shitfit standard tanks with a ****** drivers. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1372
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:27:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Whole team of FG's.... what ya goin t do? Please note: adv SMG's too... could happily have dmg mods for them too lol... as who needs bonused FG's when you have 16 of them Right, because for the FG you only need about 10,000 sp and..... oh... wait....
Just sayin... you can go "all" AV and still work lol
Cosgar wrote:One Ishukone FG on a roof can shut down an entire opposing team's vehicles.
I like using the breach for this... just because... i get to use my breach and lets be honest, theres nothing like holding the most dmg'ing weapon in the game |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1289
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:28:00 -
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Because tanks are not a problem
Unless you are blaster you can get killed if you are being a tryhard but even then nanohive + lolAVnades = dead tank
lolmissiles wont kill you, and rail is rail
Tanks are not to be feared anymore, its more like lolmovingcoffin and generally everyone has adv AV these days and most groups i come up against just swap out to lolprotoswarms
Just bunnyhop like a ****** and you will be fine against loltanks |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
971
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:32:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. Because people need to PRO stomp to kill others in BPO gear. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
971
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:34:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Because tanks are not a problem
Unless you are blaster you can get killed if you are being a tryhard but even then nanohive + lolAVnades = dead tank
lolmissiles wont kill you, and rail is rail
Tanks are not to be feared anymore, its more like lolmovingcoffin and generally everyone has adv AV these days and most groups i come up against just swap out to lolprotoswarms
Just bunnyhop like a ****** and you will be fine against loltanks Basically this
Plans changed, nothing today or tomorrow. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
971
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:42:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Whole team of FG's.... what ya goin t do? Please note: adv SMG's too... could happily have dmg mods for them too lol... as who needs bonused FG's when you have 16 of them Right, because for the FG you only need about 10,000 sp and..... oh... wait.... 0 SP, because MLT forge gun = 1320 damage. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1640
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:45:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Whole team of FG's.... what ya goin t do? Please note: adv SMG's too... could happily have dmg mods for them too lol... as who needs bonused FG's when you have 16 of them Right, because for the FG you only need about 10,000 sp and..... oh... wait.... 0 SP, because MLT forge gun = 1320 damage.
MLT forge gun is rubbish ... it takes about a year to charge. |
Justice Prevails
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:46:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Cos then the infantry we run with screw the AVers over.
Combined arms are important! I **** people up with my scram pistol while using my swarm fit, people just need to learn to use sidearms.
This is true. Sometimes I get more kills with my breach smg in my av suit. Probably because I fight smarter without my crutch ar.
Before I spec into av i will make sure my smg skills are maxxed out or atleast to advance.
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:50:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. It's a great question. I switch to AV immediately when i see armor on the field, and if i see more that one LAV or a dropship. Why? Because those fukkers need to be punished, hard and repeatedly, without remorse, for having the arrogance to deploy into my theatre of operations. And for the LAV drivers, it's personal - i will make you pay for years for your murdur taxi lameness. I sincerely hope i'm not alone in this. We all need to work together to make the world a better place, after all. =) this this this this this this this |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
65
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:56:00 -
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Draemus Acidborne wrote:tanks not surviving... a militia swarm? one salvo? I wan't you to share whatever it is you're smoking.
YEAH I WANT SOME TO |
pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:00:00 -
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Justice Prevails wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Cos then the infantry we run with screw the AVers over.
Combined arms are important! I **** people up with my scram pistol while using my swarm fit, people just need to learn to use sidearms. This is true. Sometimes I get more kills with my breach smg in my av suit. Probably because I fight smarter without my crutch ar. Before I spec into av i will make sure my smg skills are maxxed out or atleast to advance. The commando suit was suppose to be a solution to this. But too slow for my taste. But it would be op if they made it a regular assault suit. If they put the commando capability on a scout suit that woud be bad***. i think there's a light suit that has 2 light weapon slots, wanna say its the black eagle suit, but not positive. ive never had one, and dont use lights anyway (black eagle isnt for sale in the market and is next to impossible to get from what ive read)
also sidearm useage is key to being effective with AV (smg + proficiency level 5 + sharpshooter 5 = pocket AR)
ps ive skill into commando and like the rest of this game, it needs a MAJOR rework. |
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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
101
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:30:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. Some people don't skill into AV, and/or they delete the starter fits after playing for awhile. They might be used to running in squads where "someone else" takes care of that. You get the right collection of no-AV people running solo in a pub match, and then the tanks just roll over them. High enough level tankers can shrug of people running MLT Swarms anyhow, especially if the MLT Swarm crowd amounts to 1 or 2 people that aren't working together. There's a post elsewhere here where three guys spider tanking took on another team with at least 3 or 4 to 1 odds. AV being "OP" doesn't help people if they haven't made AV fits or skilled into it. It's similar to a team not having any one using links (you run into this in pubs). I guess in other matches or what-not, they're used to having someone else handle that for them, so none of them skilled into droplinks or feel like running those fits. So, they get routed easily, and no one can get out of the red zone because there's no spawn points elsewhere and the enemy is gunning people down when they spawn.
^sense spoken^
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
198
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:17:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. It's a great question. I switch to AV immediately when i see armor on the field, and if i see more that one LAV or a dropship. Why? Because those fukkers need to be punished, hard and repeatedly, without remorse, for having the arrogance to deploy into my theatre of operations. And for the LAV drivers, it's personal - i will make you pay for years for your murdur taxi lameness. I sincerely hope i'm not alone in this. We all need to work together to make the world a better place, after all. =) B-but all I was doing was flying around performing tricks in the air and squishing snipers on towers ;_; |
8213
Grade No.2
336
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:29:00 -
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Since LAVs have been brought back to annoying mosquitoes, I packed away the AV Grenades on every fit. I still have my Prototype AV fit way at the bottom of the list. If I feel it necessary, I'll take down a couple HAVs. If its TeamPlayers legend HAV guy... I hide or just leave.
HAVs normally take team work to bring down, when they are good HAV players, but nobody takes the initiative. I don't blame them.
Switch to Swarms, the infantry will get you. Keep with infantry, the HAVs will destroy you... 3-4 tanks on one team spells victory because the whole other team switches to Swarms, and that's when the infantry riding shotgun pop out and kill unarmed enemies, then hide back in the tank.
HAVs have the circumstance and power to be unbeatable in this game. DUST may eventually turn into HAV Wars, where the footsoilder is a bygone formality |
Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
134
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:40:00 -
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My Glass Cannon gunnlogi fit, will eat milta swarms all day long. Now imagine when I pull out my heavy mitigation tank. Your puny swarms are more like bees stinging my metal body. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2662
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:45:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I was in a few matches this weekend that were dominated by a couple of impressive tanks. That's fine, the match I was in that I was actually on their side was awesome. :) What I don't get though is why everyone on the opposite side doesn't go AV? I have rarely seen a tank that can survive a single militia swarm launcher, I can't imagine any of them surviving 6 or 16 of them. In most matches that I've been in, it only takes destroying one tank to get all of them to pack up and go home. If you did your would ruin Vehicle play for ever.... and would eventually seem massive nerfs to AV if everyone could simply and easily skill into high level AV..... oh wait they can? They wont nerf it?..... oh well.... |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
139
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:45:00 -
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Umm, blueberries... Jumping OUT of my tank to engage Av when i'm in trouble? Wtf you smokin? All blueberries i find try and be as useless as possible, even jumping ship and running away first swarm they see. Infantry actually backing up a tank? Also, want to know wtf you're smoking. All i ever get is idiots trying to jump on top of my tank to spam nades behind me or throw nanohives or just spin in circles spamming AR. The ones that do jump in spam the allied MCC or they attack every installation with my blaster turrets. If a Mlt swarmer gets on top a spot where i can't escape within the first 4 shots, i'm sitting out for the majority of the match to regen HP Edit: i don't tank on this character, it's on my alt, Cantankerous Giant. |
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