I have been shield tanking since the beginning of the open beta, though many do not know me because im no huge forum poster lol. I'm just gonna give my two cents on AV and armor vs shield tanks. First I will start
off with AV... Enjoy!

Swarms are quite simply OP. Besides being invisible and turning corners, they cause ridiculous amounts of damage. My shield tank has passive 33.5% dmg reduction, and since explosives do 20% less damage to shields, I take roughly half damage (passively) from swarms. And I still can be soloed by one guy with a Proto swarm launcher, even if my booster is active. This is beyond illogical. Now consider the cost my tank versus the swarms, my large turret alone is worth more than 20 of entire Proto suit fittings. And of course the swarms are invisible and cover isn't an option because they just go over, under, around it or just warp to my tank in some odd way (that has literally happened to me a few times, but mainly due to lag.

Av grenades are OP. Obviously they do less damage to shields, so there's my one advantage. But Av grenades, quite simply, can be spammed. Nanohive+cover+homing capabilities make it completely impossible for me to attack a well experienced AV grenadier. They sit in a spot I can't shoot nor reach them, while throw they them relentlessly, because with the nanohive they have virtually infinite ammunition. finally the homing capabilities means they don't need to see me or get out of cover, just throw them like there's no tomorrow. And once and for all, the cost for AV grenades are ya know... Roughly up to 1000 times cheaper than my tank fitting (literally).

Forge guns is a tough one. They deal extreme damage over large distances. But did you know Proto forge guns are more powerful than Proto railguns? "Well forge guns have ammo n reload" says dummy 245. Well, according to these new charts... railguns will have ammo and have to reload. So... more power, less cost, it outdoes the railgun in every purpose the railgun has. On a side note, we have no Proto tanks, so it's not easy to judge with forge guns because the Proto ones are the only ones that truly pose a threat to me. Of course forge gunners mostly hide in cover, so we can't shoot them. Most forge gunners I know even agree vehicles are up, because they are normally full time forge gunners.

Armor vs. Shield tanks:

This is crraaaazzzzyy maaannnn!!!! But seriously, it is. I personally, cannot win in most situations against an armored rail madrugar of equal skill if with any turret. If the madrugar has blasters, however, I will win as long as I either sneak behind them, or stay at a distance with missile and rail turrets. I cannot win one on one against a blaster armor madrugar with a blaster turret of my own of equal skill unless I sneak up on them. And all comes down to this: with armor hardeners they have more passive resistance than I, their heavy reppers give more HP in a shorter amount of time than shield boosters, they have higher HP, and they can move faster, so no escape.

I'm an armor tanker and I say as far as armor vs shield double shield boost and make shield tanks distinctly faster than armor so their able to do what their supposed hit run and get the jump on people.

I disagree with the swarms being OP somewhat. They are the long range, hard counter to my beloved Armour HAV.

However rather than simply nerfing them, can we make them more in keeping with the Caldari style of combat?

How?

Increasing the initial lock on time, possibly to the region of between 3-6 seconds. Now swarmer's need to consider strong positions when firing and not simply strafing the hell out of tanks.

I also feel like during this lock on time we must, as tankers have some means to breaking lock, either moving to within a certain distance, exposing ourselves to AV grenades or, to a longer distance where swarms cannot lock to, but can travel to.
This could also pave the way for vehicle counter measures against swarms, and AV.

E.G Magnetic inversion fields to deny AV nades their locking, AMS to dislock swarms and force them to travel in a straight path (only useful for a single second of gameplay).

Swarms should retain their DPS though, keep them firing at the same rate for the same damage but lets put limits on the swarms auto locking capabilities. They should be very long range AV weapons, not something that can be easily spammed within say 20m by a strafing scout or Speed tanker.

I also think everyone knows how I feel about AV grenades, they make no sense.

However to rectify them lets reduce the carry capacity to 1-2, not allow grenade respawns from nanohives, and increase the Alpha of the grenades.
Maybe as soon as tank hits x miles an hour between 50-75% of max speed the swarm can not lock. This allows stupid tankers who think their tank is invincible to get soloed while also leaving tanks vulnerable as they slow down to round corners. And AV nades just lol they need a carry count nerf as you said how ever I think you they should be replenish able with a handicap of course such as 5 second wait in between grenade resupply's or make the nanite requirement so high you can only resupply 1-3 or employ both.

Shield Tanks should eat up Swarmers and AV grenades but suffer like armour tanks do against the new Amarr Heavy weapon, and the Forgegun.

They will be one day due to the new prospective change to HAV and vehicles, with the shield injector, as I have heard, allowing for 23K EHP, while armour tanks sit at something like 12K.

I have been shield tanking since the beginning of the open beta, though many do not know me because im no huge forum poster lol. I'm just gonna give my two cents on AV and armor vs shield tanks. First I will start
off with AV... Enjoy!

Swarms are quite simply OP. Besides being invisible and turning corners, they cause ridiculous amounts of damage. My shield tank has passive 33.5% dmg reduction, and since explosives do 20% less damage to shields, I take roughly half damage (passively) from swarms. And I still can be soloed by one guy with a Proto swarm launcher, even if my booster is active. This is beyond illogical. Now consider the cost my tank versus the swarms, my large turret alone is worth more than 20 of entire Proto suit fittings. And of course the swarms are invisible and cover isn't an option because they just go over, under, around it or just warp to my tank in some odd way (that has literally happened to me a few times, but mainly due to lag.

Av grenades are OP. Obviously they do less damage to shields, so there's my one advantage. But Av grenades, quite simply, can be spammed. Nanohive+cover+homing capabilities make it completely impossible for me to attack a well experienced AV grenadier. They sit in a spot I can't shoot nor reach them, while throw they them relentlessly, because with the nanohive they have virtually infinite ammunition. finally the homing capabilities means they don't need to see me or get out of cover, just throw them like there's no tomorrow. And once and for all, the cost for AV grenades are ya know... Roughly up to 1000 times cheaper than my tank fitting (literally).

Forge guns is a tough one. They deal extreme damage over large distances. But did you know Proto forge guns are more powerful than Proto railguns? "Well forge guns have ammo n reload" says dummy 245. Well, according to these new charts... railguns will have ammo and have to reload. So... more power, less cost, it outdoes the railgun in every purpose the railgun has. On a side note, we have no Proto tanks, so it's not easy to judge with forge guns because the Proto ones are the only ones that truly pose a threat to me. Of course forge gunners mostly hide in cover, so we can't shoot them. Most forge gunners I know even agree vehicles are up, because they are normally full time forge gunners.

Armor vs. Shield tanks:

This is crraaaazzzzyy maaannnn!!!! But seriously, it is. I personally, cannot win in most situations against an armored rail madrugar of equal skill if with any turret. If the madrugar has blasters, however, I will win as long as I either sneak behind them, or stay at a distance with missile and rail turrets. I cannot win one on one against a blaster armor madrugar with a blaster turret of my own of equal skill unless I sneak up on them. And all comes down to this: with armor hardeners they have more passive resistance than I, their heavy reppers give more HP in a shorter amount of time than shield boosters, they have higher HP, and they can move faster, so no escape.

I thought they were trying to force they hit and run aspect of shield tanks now your telling me shield and armor tanks will be flipped.

Somebody worked this out on the forums, I would take it with a grain of salt, we aren't all maths majors like CCP.

But they are making Shield tanks very resilient in this sense, though I think this is to facilitate escapes rather than to enable straight up combat.

Basically I feel like CCP is reversing the role of vehicle shields vs armour.

Armour should/ is slated to be slow passive reps, rather than prodigious reps for a stand and deliver, while shields will be prodigious with no passive, so the rumours say.

I have been shield tanking since the beginning of the open beta, though many do not know me because im no huge forum poster lol. I'm just gonna give my two cents on AV and armor vs shield tanks. First I will start
off with AV... Enjoy!

Swarms are quite simply OP. Besides being invisible and turning corners, they cause ridiculous amounts of damage. My shield tank has passive 33.5% dmg reduction, and since explosives do 20% less damage to shields, I take roughly half damage (passively) from swarms. And I still can be soloed by one guy with a Proto swarm launcher, even if my booster is active. This is beyond illogical. Now consider the cost my tank versus the swarms, my large turret alone is worth more than 20 of entire Proto suit fittings. And of course the swarms are invisible and cover isn't an option because they just go over, under, around it or just warp to my tank in some odd way (that has literally happened to me a few times, but mainly due to lag.

Av grenades are OP. Obviously they do less damage to shields, so there's my one advantage. But Av grenades, quite simply, can be spammed. Nanohive+cover+homing capabilities make it completely impossible for me to attack a well experienced AV grenadier. They sit in a spot I can't shoot nor reach them, while throw they them relentlessly, because with the nanohive they have virtually infinite ammunition. finally the homing capabilities means they don't need to see me or get out of cover, just throw them like there's no tomorrow. And once and for all, the cost for AV grenades are ya know... Roughly up to 1000 times cheaper than my tank fitting (literally).

Forge guns is a tough one. They deal extreme damage over large distances. But did you know Proto forge guns are more powerful than Proto railguns? "Well forge guns have ammo n reload" says dummy 245. Well, according to these new charts... railguns will have ammo and have to reload. So... more power, less cost, it outdoes the railgun in every purpose the railgun has. On a side note, we have no Proto tanks, so it's not easy to judge with forge guns because the Proto ones are the only ones that truly pose a threat to me. Of course forge gunners mostly hide in cover, so we can't shoot them. Most forge gunners I know even agree vehicles are up, because they are normally full time forge gunners.

Armor vs. Shield tanks:

This is crraaaazzzzyy maaannnn!!!! But seriously, it is. I personally, cannot win in most situations against an armored rail madrugar of equal skill if with any turret. If the madrugar has blasters, however, I will win as long as I either sneak behind them, or stay at a distance with missile and rail turrets. I cannot win one on one against a blaster armor madrugar with a blaster turret of my own of equal skill unless I sneak up on them. And all comes down to this: with armor hardeners they have more passive resistance than I, their heavy reppers give more HP in a shorter amount of time than shield boosters, they have higher HP, and they can move faster, so no escape.

Free bump!.... We're NOT going to let this post die. It's a problem to shield tanks. We are seriously U.P. Armor tanks has a hell of an advantage.

I have been shield tanking since the beginning of the open beta, though many do not know me because im no huge forum poster lol. I'm just gonna give my two cents on AV and armor vs shield tanks. First I will start
off with AV... Enjoy!

Swarms are quite simply OP. Besides being invisible and turning corners, they cause ridiculous amounts of damage. My shield tank has passive 33.5% dmg reduction, and since explosives do 20% less damage to shields, I take roughly half damage (passively) from swarms. And I still can be soloed by one guy with a Proto swarm launcher, even if my booster is active. This is beyond illogical. Now consider the cost my tank versus the swarms, my large turret alone is worth more than 20 of entire Proto suit fittings. And of course the swarms are invisible and cover isn't an option because they just go over, under, around it or just warp to my tank in some odd way (that has literally happened to me a few times, but mainly due to lag.

Av grenades are OP. Obviously they do less damage to shields, so there's my one advantage. But Av grenades, quite simply, can be spammed. Nanohive+cover+homing capabilities make it completely impossible for me to attack a well experienced AV grenadier. They sit in a spot I can't shoot nor reach them, while throw they them relentlessly, because with the nanohive they have virtually infinite ammunition. finally the homing capabilities means they don't need to see me or get out of cover, just throw them like there's no tomorrow. And once and for all, the cost for AV grenades are ya know... Roughly up to 1000 times cheaper than my tank fitting (literally).

Forge guns is a tough one. They deal extreme damage over large distances. But did you know Proto forge guns are more powerful than Proto railguns? "Well forge guns have ammo n reload" says dummy 245. Well, according to these new charts... railguns will have ammo and have to reload. So... more power, less cost, it outdoes the railgun in every purpose the railgun has. On a side note, we have no Proto tanks, so it's not easy to judge with forge guns because the Proto ones are the only ones that truly pose a threat to me. Of course forge gunners mostly hide in cover, so we can't shoot them. Most forge gunners I know even agree vehicles are up, because they are normally full time forge gunners.

Armor vs. Shield tanks:

This is crraaaazzzzyy maaannnn!!!! But seriously, it is. I personally, cannot win in most situations against an armored rail madrugar of equal skill if with any turret. If the madrugar has blasters, however, I will win as long as I either sneak behind them, or stay at a distance with missile and rail turrets. I cannot win one on one against a blaster armor madrugar with a blaster turret of my own of equal skill unless I sneak up on them. And all comes down to this: with armor hardeners they have more passive resistance than I, their heavy reppers give more HP in a shorter amount of time than shield boosters, they have higher HP, and they can move faster, so no escape.