Keep the burst and make it 10,000 rpm! And shoot MD rounds!

Except they dont, what it usually comes down to is the first shots fired if both players are using the same level of gear

But you have to limit how much you can shoot at at time, which has a bg impact on weapon performance.

I never said overheating was a problem. If it heats up slower you can shoot longer and kill more people. Your the one who dosent fully understand the HMG.

Good morning my fellow Mercs!!!,

I've been off the forums for quite a while and some of you may not remember me but I've had a bit of experience with the various HMG builds and the discussions about them in the forums. I agree with the OP in general but a lot of the problems with the HMG are compounded with the Heavy suit mostly it's fairly large hit box.

We used to have the HMG running at 3000 RPM pre Codex, ahhh yes good times but not so for others. I should mention that the damage used to run at 19,20 and 21 dmg for std,adv and proto respectively. So overall the HMG used to be a beast easily outgunning everything else within it's range, which also led to it's downfall as if you knew what you were doing you could basically create a pinpoint stream of death.

So then came the dark days of the Nerf Hammer, I won't bore you guys with the details but we've been slowly recovering ever since with the current version IMHO being the best since Codex..... Man that's sad to say.

I honestly can't come up with much good to say about the Assault HMG, I've been mucking around with the Adv version on more open maps as I can't be bothered to waste the ISK on Proto versions. But honestly you're better using an AR for suppression fire as it has more range, greater accuracy and higher DMG per shot which is what you need to get folks heads down. I personally would tighten the spread, increase damage per shot to above the regular version and lower the RPM on the Assault HMG then I think it might be a contender, I see the odd one about but it's not a used weapon.

The current HMG does out DPS all other infantry weapons in theory but getting every round on target can at times be a bit of an effort.... I was interested in why I was getting messed up by SMGs when I should be walking all over them so I got some help from my corp mates and made a BPO scout SMG/AR fit to go heavy hunting. Basically at ranges under what I consider 5m the heavy fits perfectly into the hip fire crosshairs and even with the turning buff once the HMG is spooling and you try to turn you're done. I don't know what to suggest about this as it's the Heavy's main drawback for out high eHP and simply buffing the HMG won't solve the fact that a SMG can almost without fail empty every round in a mag into a heavy from hip fire (please note the same goes for other weapons as well I'm not attacking the SMG, I'll never let them touch my lill Toxin!!) and nerfing other weapons won't help either.

I think the major issue that often get's overlooked is what the HMG is designed to do and in tandem the Heavy itself. Now in most games these days I run a multiple of different suits when I used to only run a Heavy due to the changing tactics and the increased map sizes. But the one suit I have in my arsenal that when used for it's designed purpose truly excels is what I call my Attrition fit now without giving away much it's a heavy with 1500 ish eHP and a boundless with 2 complex damage mods. I use this when theres either an objective or installation that has to be defended and has already been overrun. No other suit I have found can do what this bad lad does, survival doesn't come into the equation but killing as many enemies as I can before death certainly does and it does this well.

I think this is what CCP designed the suit to do. However this doesn't help when maps are large and there are sniper tanks taking out your LAV before it hit's the deck. So in the past we had the MK 2 heavy which was stat wise kinda similar to what we have now and you could move with reasonable speed around the map with your HMG and allowed you to help assaulting positions rather than sitting on objectives eating Hippo sarnies while the rest of your team do the work. Obviously we'll get the other racial variant's at some stage which I reckon will sort this issue and give some scope to the HMG in whatever incarnation it finally ends up in.

But what to do now??? Logi ARs still rain supreme and SMGs out DPS us through accuracy. I don't know but I'm looking for a solution all the time, CCP won't buff the HMG lads and I don't blame them god help us if we have a weapon that heavily outguns ARs just look at what happened to us after Codex, I never want to go through that again. I'm not saying don't try for a buff to the HMG but watch out you might just get what you wish for.....

See you out there,

Snag

HMG is NOT underpowered. Do you even know how to use it? Remember, it takes approx 2.5 secs for the aim to align for your max dps on point.

Wait a second D514 DOESN'T DO THIS ALREADY? Just about every game i've played that as an HMG, or better yet a tri-pod weapon, has the barrel spin when you ADS. Hell even CoD:MW3 does this, which is where my example is from.

If anything CCP could add make it so that crouching heavies have no recoil, or very little, when shooting an HMG. So for heavies to be at their best they would have to be crouched and ADSs. I think this would help them live up to their names abit better since a moving heavy would be penalized for moving around where as a stationary heavy who's set up position, with good placement, go deny direct access to an area.

I would understand if this sounds OP but I don't think it is. Though if someone can explain what would be wrong with this idea that'd help alot.

BTW i've randomly been a blue dot on your team, and i have to say i love grouping with you even when you're not in my squad. i logi my little heart out to keep you alive and you communicate with me when you need something. Thank you for being a good heavy so I can share my logi love!! <3

You're "pretty sure"? Based on.....what? This bug isn't like a secret, I've discussed it with several people before. But it sounds like you're watching the animation of bullets fly. That's not what I"m talking about, what I'm talking about is whether or not the bullets are actually considered bullets that deal damage. Which, right now, several of them aren't. I honestly don't get why people seem to ignore this every time I bring it up. I would imagine a gun simply being bugged would be the main concern.

If you don't believe me, go try it out for yourself. You'll notice that red dot in the center of your reticle turns red when you're on target, indicating you're doing damage. And if that dot isn't on target, you stop doing damage.

A lot of guys try to play heavy as new players thinking it will buy them time till they learn the game better. But the reality is no matter what suit you have you need to learn the game or youll get exposed.

Its not an insult. There are just so many people who take this game very seriously.

Just saying suits dont buy wins.
Complaining about suits is a new player thing imo.