DUST Search - Pubstomping

Draco Cerberus wrote:

Thurak1 wrote:

Pubstomping can be annoying yes and it generally means it is a very one sided battle. Here is what you do. Make a very cheap suit and use that when you are getting pubstomped. Then laugh like a madman when you do take out someone in proto gear knowing that you very likely just caused them to loose money on the match.
What suckes even more then being pubstomped is when i am getting stomped and my team is nowhere to be found on the map everyone is either in the MCC or has turned into a sniper suddenly and basically given up on the match.
Listing a mic as an advantage is kind of funny. There are very cheap mic's to be had for like 15$ or so granted they are wired but they work just fine and yes when it comes to forming a cohesive group they are a must. But with how cheaply a mic can be bought i am surprised there are so many people that play this game and dont have them.

Yeah a mic is a must but having a mic doesn't necessarily mean you know how to work with a squad or team either, both of which can really help when facing a bunch of proto stompers.

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Pete B THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge. 36	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:46:00 - [1] - Quote So can we all agree that pubstomping is an issue? I have been in numerous games, where one side dominates another entirely, and usually it boils down to one thing. Squads. In almost every game when one team has dominated another, I see the dominating team have a group of 6 people from the same corp on top of the leader board. When in game another problem that I have with is when the dominating team is using just proto equipment, and wiping the floor with the standard suits the other team is using, and the time someone is cocky enough to use a proto suit in a public match, is when they are in a squad. All I'm proposing, is putting in equipment tiered modes that block users from using equipment outside of that tier. As in a standard domination, standard skirmish and standard ambush that requires players to use only standard equipment, and then an Advanced, and prototype version of all those. But a better way to fix it is to add a non squad mode.
The Oposum Red Star. EoN. 36	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:48:00 - [2] - Quote I would wait and see whats happening with 1.5 Maybe the Squad finder will help out at least a little bit.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 305	Posted - 2013.10.05 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote The Oposum wrote: I would wait and see whats happening with 1.5 Maybe the Squad finder will help out at least a little bit. I expect the exact opposite. Randoms will form squads, the matchmaking will consider them pre-made squads and will put them up against squads of vets in PRO gear with mics for the few to bathe in the suffering of the many. Welcome to New Eden. I hope I'm wrong, but don't expect any improvement at all.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1070	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:25:00 - [4] - Quote Again, I might add, that a squad of Proto is 90 times worse then a squad of standard. So, my suggestion, is that a tier filter be enacted. A squad of standard fighting standard can be fought back, but a squad of proto fighting several random standard users, and you need a damned war heroes to win that fight. Myself, I see the proto as an issue, not the squads. But, now I think more of it, both would work just fine. One of the two need to done for any real player retention to take place.
Joel II X AHPA 8	Posted - 2013.10.05 17:28:00 - [5] - Quote Taking out squads is a terrible idea. That's what the whole game is about. Teamwork. The tier idea sounds good, but how would it work? if just having a single proto suit means you're the best there is, then count me out. The only reason I go to pub matches is to use my starter suits to get extra money or play domination since FW matches are all skirmishes. If I know I'm going to lose money by proto suits, I just switch to advanced sniper with the Charge, or use my Starter Medic.
Pete B THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge. 37	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:08:00 - [6] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Taking out squads is a terrible idea. That's what the whole game is about. Teamwork. The tier idea sounds good, but how would it work? if just having a single proto suit means you're the best there is, then count me out. The only reason I go to pub matches is to use my starter suits to get extra money or play domination since FW matches are all skirmishes. If I know I'm going to lose money by proto suits, I just switch to advanced sniper with the Charge, or use my Starter Medic. The Tiering system would be simple. You can choose your fitting normally, but if you try to deploy a fitting that uses peice of equipment outside of what the match tier is, a response along the lines of 'deployment failed; illegal fitting chosen' would be shown. And with the whole 'this game is about teamwork', yes its true, but you have got to admit that if you have an organized proto squad going against a team of casual gamers, or people who are playing for *****'n'giggles, or people who are generally not taking the game not all that seriously... the proto squad is going to win. Now tell me, when you get to the point when you can conclusively tell which team is going to win, do you not think it becomes unfair? When you can tell the inevitable in a match, doesn't it take away from its fun? In a game like this as well when its about your strategy and teamwork as well, and you have an aim (lets take getting lots of ISK), and you can tell in a match, you will not get to that aim no matter what strategy you use, it takes away all its fun to the point its just a joyless grinfest. I'm not saying make it easier or harder for either side, I'm just saying put the fun back in for both sides, "Fun" being a keyword.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 371	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:28:00 - [7] - Quote Pubstomping is not a big deal and balances matches nicely. Those willing to lose protos lose lots of isk and those killing in militia or BPO fits make a small amount of isk, how could that be in any way unbalanced?
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 252	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:36:00 - [8] - Quote Pubstomping can be annoying yes and it generally means it is a very one sided battle. Here is what you do. Make a very cheap suit and use that when you are getting pubstomped. Then laugh like a madman when you do take out someone in proto gear knowing that you very likely just caused them to loose money on the match. What suckes even more then being pubstomped is when i am getting stomped and my team is nowhere to be found on the map everyone is either in the MCC or has turned into a sniper suddenly and basically given up on the match. Listing a mic as an advantage is kind of funny. There are very cheap mic's to be had for like 15$ or so granted they are wired but they work just fine and yes when it comes to forming a cohesive group they are a must. But with how cheaply a mic can be bought i am surprised there are so many people that play this game and dont have them.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 371	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:45:00 - [9] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Pubstomping can be annoying yes and it generally means it is a very one sided battle. Here is what you do. Make a very cheap suit and use that when you are getting pubstomped. Then laugh like a madman when you do take out someone in proto gear knowing that you very likely just caused them to loose money on the match. What suckes even more then being pubstomped is when i am getting stomped and my team is nowhere to be found on the map everyone is either in the MCC or has turned into a sniper suddenly and basically given up on the match. Listing a mic as an advantage is kind of funny. There are very cheap mic's to be had for like 15$ or so granted they are wired but they work just fine and yes when it comes to forming a cohesive group they are a must. But with how cheaply a mic can be bought i am surprised there are so many people that play this game and dont have them. Yeah a mic is a must but having a mic doesn't necessarily mean you know how to work with a squad or team either, both of which can really help when facing a bunch of proto stompers.
ShinyJay Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 108	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:49:00 - [10] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Pubstomping is not a big deal and balances matches nicely. Those willing to lose protos lose lots of isk and those killing in militia or BPO fits make a small amount of isk, how could that be in any way unbalanced? you don't make it balanced by isk amounts. you balance it so that both sides have some shred of a chance to come out a winner. proto stomping isn't any fun for the losing side and offers no challenges to the winners either. I take it as an inevitable loss unless i have a team just like that, and it's no fun. i actually like the tiers battle much better, but to add to it, make it show before deploying that the suit is useless with whatever tier, or take out higher tier items from the suit. i'd rather see a fair fight with these tiers rather then an utter loss from people pub stomping. make it fair for all in match making. also side note, we are mercs. getting along shouldn't be our things as mercs. just a thought

Xaviah Reaper Nyain San EoN. 83	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES, are the biggest baby corp ive ever had the unpleasant experience to encounter. They hijacked our corp chat channel, invited their friends, and started typing stupid drawings in chat and screaming racist jokes down the microphone. Its because of this, that I adore pubstomping you asswipes.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 254	Posted - 2013.10.08 00:16:00 - [12] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Pubstomping can be annoying yes and it generally means it is a very one sided battle. Here is what you do. Make a very cheap suit and use that when you are getting pubstomped. Then laugh like a madman when you do take out someone in proto gear knowing that you very likely just caused them to loose money on the match. What suckes even more then being pubstomped is when i am getting stomped and my team is nowhere to be found on the map everyone is either in the MCC or has turned into a sniper suddenly and basically given up on the match. Listing a mic as an advantage is kind of funny. There are very cheap mic's to be had for like 15$ or so granted they are wired but they work just fine and yes when it comes to forming a cohesive group they are a must. But with how cheaply a mic can be bought i am surprised there are so many people that play this game and dont have them. Yeah a mic is a must but having a mic doesn't necessarily mean you know how to work with a squad or team either, both of which can really help when facing a bunch of proto stompers. Yes very true its amusing when people are shouting things like OMG dude help me i am over here. Right... like i have a clue where "here" is and some intel about why you need help is a good idea. Do you need help because there is a tank closing in on you and your running out of places to hide from it? are there multiple contacts from the other team? Big part of team work is learning to communicate effectively. If you can't say what you need to say in 5 seconds you probably dont need to say it.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 323	Posted - 2013.10.08 00:34:00 - [13] - Quote I think its a lack of comparative gameplay. Protostompers have enough isk to field their gear, they have the experience/ SP to get it, and usually they squad because their chances of survival spike. If we had a militia only type of gameplay, squad or no, the stress on the receiving end would be mitigated. One would not attach the stomp so easily to gear, and see that it is the result of Squad combat (organized) versus Soloing (Disorganized). If we had a PVE mode to separate isk grinding from PVP, the stress on the receiving end would also be mitigated. That being said, you are under ZERO obligation to stick around and be stomped. A successful Merc is judged by his wallet, not his K/DR. Leave the battle.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 371	Posted - 2013.10.08 01:30:00 - [14] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: I think its a lack of comparative gameplay. Protostompers have enough isk to field their gear, they have the experience/ SP to get it, and usually they squad because their chances of survival spike. If we had a militia only type of gameplay, squad or no, the stress on the receiving end would be mitigated. One would not attach the stomp so easily to gear, and see that it is the result of Squad combat (organized) versus Soloing (Disorganized). If we had a PVE mode to separate isk grinding from PVP, the stress on the receiving end would also be mitigated. That being said, you are under ZERO obligation to stick around and be stomped. A successful Merc is judged by his wallet, not his K/DR. Leave the battle. Exactly, well said.
Ferindar Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 65	Posted - 2013.10.08 02:16:00 - [15] - Quote Also, remember. You gain more isk (Only slightly, but certainly noticable) for how expensive your target was. The best way to combat proto and aur users is to punch them in the wallet. I keep a special fit specifically for countering protos, called my MIDDLE FINGER OF GOD suit. Plus, when you see six kills in a row all saying Thale's TAR-07, you get kind of hesitant to bring out your expensive fits. I've seen it happen by constantly killing these two guys in proto gear, about ten kills later, I noticed they were rolling Militia.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 95	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:08:00 - [16] - Quote Well...pub stomping is part of a larger issue of the game which is "where do I go next" for vets, because the game currently has no faction points for the vets to get, if they had this the factional warfare would have vets in the tons and the pubs would be a much safer place for the newer players. If we had PvE, new players could learn the ropes get better gear and be able to hold their own, the vets of course would be trying the insanity missions, blowing threw wads of isk like it was nothing and when they needed to recharge the waller would be rolling into pubs with milita grade or low grade gear. So while I would to blame the vets, say it is all their fault, it really isn't at all, they have no where to go, even if they are doing PC, they only want to do that for a certain length of time, even if it does make them tons of cash. In short vets lack the additional content needed in order to not pub stomp. Cause some vets honestly have upwards towards a billion isk, so of course they want to just go around in it and spank a few people with the best suit they got and laugh about it, cause what else do they have to do?
lrian Locust BLACK OP SNIPERS General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:32:00 - [17] - Quote Ferindar wrote: Plus, when you see six kills in a row all saying Thale's TAR-07, you get kind of hesitant to bring out your expensive fits. I've seen it happen by constantly killing these two guys in proto gear, about ten kills later, I noticed they were rolling Militia. Exactly! Happened to me this week: After killing a redline sniper with a Thale's three times, he switched to militia. My team lost, but I smiled thinking about what it must have cost him! :)
Pete B THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge. 38	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:20:00 - [18] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Pubstomping is not a big deal and balances matches nicely. Those willing to lose protos lose lots of isk Thats questionable. None of them are willing to lose them, and usually those who do use protos, I hear do well or get by nicely in planetary conquest as (supposedly) you make 1 mill or so a day if are an active player and control a district or two. Now tell me, how many casual gamers, or at least players that regularly use standards are in a corp that owns even one district?
Pete B THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge. 38	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:25:00 - [19] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES, are the biggest baby corp ive ever had the unpleasant experience to encounter. They hijacked our corp chat channel, invited their friends, and started typing stupid drawings in chat and screaming racist jokes down the microphone. Its because of this, that I adore pubstomping you asswipes. I'm sorry bout that. I can personally say I know alot of our corp are just babby 12 year cod kiddies, and we are looking into doing cuts.
DaNizzle4shizle THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge. 15	Posted - 2013.10.09 12:55:00 - [20] - Quote Pete B wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES, are the biggest baby corp ive ever had the unpleasant experience to encounter. They hijacked our corp chat channel, invited their friends, and started typing stupid drawings in chat and screaming racist jokes down the microphone. Its because of this, that I adore pubstomping you asswipes. I'm sorry bout that. I can personally say I know alot of our corp are just babby 12 year cod kiddies, and we are looking into doing cuts. i will let that slide pete. you know i am no 12 year old cod kid. Xaviah. you and your corp pub stomp every game. i play the game for the good of our corp. we pub stomp if we have the spare isk. we run adv gear because we want a good kdr. i want this corp to be the best it can be. why would you complain about our corp pubstomping if you do it every game?



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