DUST Search - You don't want DUST to become popular

Vrain Matari wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

I agree. The camadre is what keeps me playing here in DUST. But at the same time, DUST is just not ready for mass marketing.

Agree +1. Definitly not ready for mass marketing.

-Not until the racial lineups are complete(can you imagine the respec qq if we brought in busloads of players and then completed the lineups?).

-Not until core Vehicles are in a good place and AV also.

-Not until we have full hierarchical team comms.

-Not until we have 2 more maps + their full set of installations so the new peeps don't hit the boredom wall while they're grinding their way up.

-Not until slow word-of-mouth growth gives the matchmaker the numbers it needs to give noobs a good experience.

-Not until we have Skirmish 1.0 or its equivalent back. Don't market on meaningless generic modes.

-Not until PC works(i.e. memory leaks or whatever the hell it is).

-Not until we think the NPE tutorials and walkthroughs rock.

-Not until, in some way, shape or form, there is a meaningful connection to New Eden and EVE pilots find enjoyable gameplay in interacting with DUST.

I put this list at something like 3-6 months.

So long as marketing doesn't blow their load too early, this is all we need to conquer the world.

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8213 Grade No.2 329	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:44:00 - [1] - Quote I see a lot of people always quoting numbers off the servers about how many people are playing at such&such a time, etc... But really think about it. This is a tight community because there are so few of us. You play the same people in match after match, you form more social connections. But most importantly, its much easier to stand out in this game because of the shallow pool. If 100,000s of people flocked to this game, we'd all be washed out. The games would be saturated with more junk players, and more players who just exploit (Call of Duty on PS3 being the most obvious example of this). You wouldn't know who the heck CHICAGOCUBS4EVER is, you'd never play against any of the top players in the world, we'd all be nobodies. And I know they "elite" players of this game couldn't handle that. I know the elite players from other titles tried DUST, and didn't like it (everyone of them complained about the lack lust controller response). So, they stay on their games and continue to devour everyone, being bored as heck while they do it, not willing to wait around for DUST.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1672	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:03:00 - [2] - Quote It feels more like being the only remaining members of a cancelled 80s TV show's fan club.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 101	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:07:00 - [3] - Quote i never thought of it like this. it's true though, because the few of us who do stay are like brothers(and sisters). while we all love to bash this game, we all deep down on the inside love it.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 628	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Newbies are welcome and there is a huge Scattered Neutron cannon behind the door as my personal present.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1389	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote Perhaps if DUST's popularity exploded the flood of community input might be too much for CCP at the moment. I mean hell, look at the **** we are giving them now. Perhaps they released the game but are refraining from advertising it because even they know this is an extension of open beta.
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 90	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:31:00 - [6] - Quote I lost hope at this game already I'm I still going play but mostly wait till the game dead and move on
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 489	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:33:00 - [7] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i never thought of it like this. it's true though, because the few of us who do stay are like brothers(and sisters). while we all love to bash this game, we all deep down on the inside love it. And this is exactly what CCP creates with its style of slow, publicly promoted development. EVE is pretty much like that. Sure they want to promote that. The problem is that I don't think they mean for it to be like that alone. If so, they wouldn't have pushed for increased market share and this game wouldn't exist. Only the players who are willing to go beyond just the game play to support the company tend to remain. CCP thrives off of player loyalty to the company's efforts and vision, not just regular game play alone. The tight knit community is in EVE. That's where they want you. They are hoping DUST attracts ppl to EVE. DUST will continue to be a poor man's conduit to support one aspect of EVE. They are obviously counting on the console microtransaction crowd to add constant, revolving door income and numbers to boost their EVE development and their other future games which I'm sure they'll use the same way. They could care less how long you stay in DUST. What are you if you aren't supporting EVE? Sad really. I prefer the instant combat ground warfare game. I'd much prefer Valkerie to EVE. EVE really isn't a ship game. It's an economic/political strategy game. It's about control of resources. Remember, its called EVE fanfest, not DUST or CCP fanfest.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2019	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:34:00 - [8] - Quote nah you're right. I want this game to shrink and perish from an unsustainable small playerbase so I can feed my ego till it the time I put in my character is worthless. Riiiight
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 104	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote I think they made a mistake calling 5/14 the official release date. I'm sure there were people who have had a bad first impression of CCP because of the Dust 514 'release' and they will never look back. So, I agree. Hold off on the major promotions until the MMO elements have been rounded out a bit, because now it's just a lobby shooter with character sheets....we don't even have social areas (a Bazaar?) or avatar interaction (recruiting office?). I think Dust 514 will be a major AAA title some day.
Michael Epic Universal Militia Contractings 7	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:55:00 - [10] - Quote I kinda agree with you....I was all set to make a disagreement thread on how it could grow and blah blah blah. But seriously....add 100,000 players and things might be progressively worse. I love this game and I like to see all the same people and get killed by and kill them back. Its fun....inboxing and talking and laughing. Like last night was talking with some dude JCR Space or something from some Latino's deal corp and he was tearing me up big time with his heavy and I was going kamikaze and making sure he felt my remote explosives. I blew him up a ton of times, he shot me full of holes a ton of times.... It was due to my tactics of dropping remote explosives and droplinks everytime I respawned that we were able to come back from certain defeat and clench the W. He sent me a message saying "gg kamikaze" and I sent one back saying "Sorry Bro LOL and better luck next time ;)" to which he replied in laughter HAHAHAHA its those small things that make this game great and 100,000 10 year olds crying and pitching a fit (youtube "video game tantrum") like that....would certainly ruin it. I mean hell we already have enough people spamming the laser rifle and the mass driver haha imagine 100,000 more 10 year olds doing it. omg no...just no.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6742	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:57:00 - [11] - Quote It's hard to believe you're fighting wars in the EVE universe when it feels like you're having food fights in the EVE cafeteria
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4397	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote I agree. The camadre is what keeps me playing here in DUST. But at the same time, DUST is just not ready for mass marketing.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1598	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:11:00 - [13] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It feels more like being the only remaining members of a cancelled 80s TV show's fan club. Toke the words out of my mouth ....It actually feels a bit like one of that 90's games that i still playing even to day, is just me and another 100 nostalgic old farts running our own servers. A bunch of Donkeys that refuse to move on.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1020	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:04:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I agree. The camadre is what keeps me playing here in DUST. But at the same time, DUST is just not ready for mass marketing. Agree +1. Definitly not ready for mass marketing. -Not until the racial lineups are complete(can you imagine the respec qq if we brought in busloads of players and then completed the lineups?). -Not until core Vehicles are in a good place and AV also. -Not until we have full hierarchical team comms. -Not until we have 2 more maps + their full set of installations so the new peeps don't hit the boredom wall while they're grinding their way up. -Not until slow word-of-mouth growth gives the matchmaker the numbers it needs to give noobs a good experience. -Not until we have Skirmish 1.0 or its equivalent back. Don't market on meaningless generic modes. -Not until PC works(i.e. memory leaks or whatever the hell it is). -Not until we think the NPE tutorials and walkthroughs rock. -Not until, in some way, shape or form, there is a meaningful connection to New Eden and EVE pilots find enjoyable gameplay in interacting with DUST. I put this list at something like 3-6 months. So long as marketing doesn't blow their load too early, this is all we need to conquer the world.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1017	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:37:00 - [15] - Quote I do want 110k players on at any given time. I do want to have lots of players logged on and playing because it would put more devs on the the game and fix many of the protostomping and bad matches. We need more of everything and that includes players. Sometimes I have my doubts about this game and then I play a really fun match and I stop doubting. The more I play the more I want it to be better. When I started playing the game was OK and every iteration has made the game better and makes me want to see it continue to get better. I don't know, I love and hate this game at the same it. It really is like marriages.
The legend345 TeamPlayers EoN. 1131	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:38:00 - [16] - Quote Whos CHICAGOCUBS4EVER?
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 350	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:38:00 - [17] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I agree. The camadre is what keeps me playing here in DUST. But at the same time, DUST is just not ready for mass marketing. Agree +1. Definitly not ready for mass marketing. -Not until the racial lineups are complete(can you imagine the respec qq if we brought in busloads of players and then completed the lineups?). -Not until core Vehicles are in a good place and AV also. -Not until we have full hierarchical team comms. -Not until we have 2 more maps + their full set of installations so the new peeps don't hit the boredom wall while they're grinding their way up. -Not until slow word-of-mouth growth gives the matchmaker the numbers it needs to give noobs a good experience. -Not until we have Skirmish 1.0 or its equivalent back. Don't market on meaningless generic modes. -Not until PC works(i.e. memory leaks or whatever the hell it is). -Not until we think the NPE tutorials and walkthroughs rock. -Not until, in some way, shape or form, there is a meaningful connection to New Eden and EVE pilots find enjoyable gameplay in interacting with DUST. I put this list at something like 3-6 months. So long as marketing doesn't blow their load too early, this is all we need to conquer the world. I'm sorry to break it to you but ccp has a small dev team I mean really small. there is a reason why everything is so slow to progress. That said, hardly anything only your list is on the 6 month list. sockets and maps that are being worked on now are likely next year at earliest. not to mention ccp is simplifying vehicles and actually reducing what they offer in the near future. The suits alone are just broke and need to be rebalanced (designed) before adding anything new. Just look at the changes starting with uprising as they added and altered suits and made them terrible for the most part. best to lower expectations now
Avallo Kantor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:43:00 - [18] - Quote I would give an example of EVE in this case. EVE is, in my opinion, a great game, but in no way is it a game made for the mainstream. There is a distinct difference in games made for "everyone" and games made for a certain niche. EVE and DUST are both "niche" games. They cater to specific desires people have in games, and they do this incredibly well in EVE. (Getting there in DUST) That said, they'll likely never catch on as well as games like World of Warcraft of Battlefield, because those games are made for the mainstream (or developed into in WoWs case)
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 842	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:50:00 - [19] - Quote I do like knowing 25% of the players in every match. I hate seeing the same jerkoffs in every match. I liked when you'd just occasionally stumble across somebody you knew. Now, you don't even have to squad with them to be in the same matches with them for 2 hours in a row. The word-of-mouth thing is only so effective. CCP needs to attract some more randoms from the depths of grandma's basement with advertising.
8213 Grade No.2 335	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:06:00 - [20] - Quote The legend345 wrote: Whos CHICAGOCUBS4EVER? No clue, I just heard he calls in his teams Orbitals, soaks up bullets, and sh*t talks Tankers all day... I don't know why, but he HATES Tankers, he told me not tell anyone, that he thinks Tankers are just cheezy kills and hog kills from the real players. He also said only Heavies are considered real players. He also eats kittens... alive.



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