I kind of hope they remove the extra passengers from assault dropships, so it's just the pilot and his gunners. Logi ships already had basically no purpose as they were, the ADS just made that more obvious by acting as an even better troop transport



It's why I think the ADS shouldn't even have a dropship base model, but a model all its own, one that clearly has no space for anyone other than the pilot and his gunners.

That said, I feel for you guys, since ADS is an entirely different playstyle than standard ships.

As much as I do like tge ads I hope its removal will path the way for proper gunships as it appeard to be originally a place holder for them.

Sorry, but respectfully disagree. If you make the ADS just the pilot and it's gunners, and then change the model to something else, you basically have the "ADS vs Gunship" argument which I discussed in the third paragraph. You say it negates the other dropships, but the other dropships can carry 50% more passengers which is a pretty big advantage especially as we start to see battle sizes increase in the future.

You could be right, but as is there's basically nothing a logi ship can do that an ADS can't do better. Hell, the MCRU is a negative in most matches because blueberries, and you can't really take a logi ship out in a real PC match for any length of time.

I don't feel that the ADS is a gunship because I see gunships as large vehicles. If anything, I see what the ADS wants to be as a light vehicle, fast and nimble with just enough firepower to bring the hurt.

::shrugs::

I just feel bad for my fellow pilots for having to endure even more crap. At least the stats on the new ships are BOSS, so that's a plus.

Also the stats on the new dropships are boss? When I looked at it, LIGHT assault vehicles still have more HP than MEDIUM aircrafts in the new vehicle changes, so I'm going to have to disagree with that as well.

We certainly see Gunships as two different things. When I think gunship, I think big ass, slow ass flying brick bristling with guns.

This is not the point. What I call a gunship perhaps you call a fighter jet or something. So just go through my OP and everytime you see the word "gunship" replace it with "fighter jet" and see if you agree or not with my stance.

Again, see third paragraph in regards to the gunship argument.

I swear, it's like people read the title and skip the actual content of the message.

I kind of hope they remove the extra passengers from assault dropships, so it's just the pilot and his gunners. Logi ships already had basically no purpose as they were, the ADS just made that more obvious by acting as an even better troop transport



It's why I think the ADS shouldn't even have a dropship base model, but a model all its own, one that clearly has no space for anyone other than the pilot and his gunners.

That said, I feel for you guys, since ADS is an entirely different playstyle than standard ships.

So you mean gunships right?

Again it's just a difference of interpretation of terms. I think Gunship as a big ass, slow flying vehicle with a bunch of turrets. Literally, a ship of guns.

What you appear to interpret gunship as is a light agile craft that focuses on killing. Your definition is probably accurate, it's just not the image it invokes in my mind. I think behemoth floating death when I think gunship.

OP your argument contains a flaw, how can you argue for the ADS to remain when you say that it's fine for all the other variants to be removed, that just doesn't make sense, this is very much an all or nothing situation. By removing everything but the base models they reduce the balancing work they have to do, they can focus on balancing the core vehicles and modules first and then they can expand outwards into the existing variants, rather than do a half assed job of every existing vehicle. As for the whole ADS aren't gunships discussion, they're not, they're what I imagine will end up bridging the gap if gunships are ever actually introduced, for the moment it is basically a filler that we have grown rather attached to. Besides a can see one good thing coming of their removal, it will remind every dropship pilot that they are first and foremost a transport aircraft, beyond everything else, the front and side turrets, the squishing, our main role is to move troops from point a to point b as quickly and safely as possible, some people could do with the reminder.

When was the last time you saw an enforcer? Or for that matter, when was the last time you saw a scout LAV? Ok, now when was the last time you saw a logistics vehicle besides a LLAV murder taxi?

Yet you see ADS all the time. That tells you something about how fundamental they are.

Actually all it tells you is that the other variants are absolute crap, and if you're going to fly a dropship, most people are going to choose the one that actually halfway works, because they aren't masochists like me

Removing everything for a while and balancing around the base vehicles opens the potential for actual useful variants to emerge across the board.