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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6734	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:56:00 - [1] - Quote I kind of hope they remove the extra passengers from assault dropships, so it's just the pilot and his gunners. Logi ships already had basically no purpose as they were, the ADS just made that more obvious by acting as an even better troop transport It's why I think the ADS shouldn't even have a dropship base model, but a model all its own, one that clearly has no space for anyone other than the pilot and his gunners. That said, I feel for you guys, since ADS is an entirely different playstyle than standard ships.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6734	Posted - 2013.10.04 16:04:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I kind of hope they remove the extra passengers from assault dropships, so it's just the pilot and his gunners. Logi ships already had basically no purpose as they were, the ADS just made that more obvious by acting as an even better troop transport It's why I think the ADS shouldn't even have a dropship base model, but a model all its own, one that clearly has no space for anyone other than the pilot and his gunners. That said, I feel for you guys, since ADS is an entirely different playstyle than standard ships. Sorry, but respectfully disagree. If you make the ADS just the pilot and it's gunners, and then change the model to something else, you basically have the "ADS vs Gunship" argument which I discussed in the third paragraph. You say it negates the other dropships, but the other dropships can carry 50% more passengers which is a pretty big advantage especially as we start to see battle sizes increase in the future. You could be right, but as is there's basically nothing a logi ship can do that an ADS can't do better. Hell, the MCRU is a negative in most matches because blueberries, and you can't really take a logi ship out in a real PC match for any length of time. I don't feel that the ADS is a gunship because I see gunships as large vehicles. If anything, I see what the ADS wants to be as a light vehicle, fast and nimble with just enough firepower to bring the hurt. ::shrugs:: I just feel bad for my fellow pilots for having to endure even more crap. At least the stats on the new ships are BOSS, so that's a plus.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6738	Posted - 2013.10.04 16:49:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Also the stats on the new dropships are boss? When I looked at it, LIGHT assault vehicles still have more HP than MEDIUM aircrafts in the new vehicle changes, so I'm going to have to disagree with that as well. We certainly see Gunships as two different things. When I think gunship, I think big ass, slow ass flying brick bristling with guns. As for new dropship stats, they CPU / PG has been double / tripled in some instances, as well as a slight base HP buff. The base stats are fine, but add in a heavy module and you'll be sitting pretty. We'll have to wait to see how it plays out, but my Prometheus can already eat a few proto forge shots in a row and limp away. With these new stats I might actually be able to hover for a little and provide some covering fire while peeps are sitting in my ship and I'm raging at them to gtfo.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6739	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:12:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Also the stats on the new dropships are boss? When I looked at it, LIGHT assault vehicles still have more HP than MEDIUM aircrafts in the new vehicle changes, so I'm going to have to disagree with that as well. We certainly see Gunships as two different things. When I think gunship, I think big ass, slow ass flying brick bristling with guns. This is not the point. What I call a gunship perhaps you call a fighter jet or something. So just go through my OP and everytime you see the word "gunship" replace it with "fighter jet" and see if you agree or not with my stance. To be entirely honest with you I wasn't even referring to your OP in terms of gunships, I actually don't even know how that came up but it was probably me. While I think it sucks that all vehicle variants are leaving us for a time, and that yes, this sucks for ADS pilots simply because the ADS handles entirely differently from a basic dropship, and also fulfills an entirely different role, I think that giving them some time to actually formulate real roles and purposes and rewards for these vehicles will ultimately be a plus. That said, I personally still believe that whatever it is that the ADS is trying to be, it should have a bit more mobility and agility and sacrifice those extra two slots for passengers. Make the side guns slightly more forward facing, so all three gunners can focus on a single large target such as an HAV or Dropship. Have their survivability rely mainly on mobility and killing **** before it kills them. Perhaps give them a single passenger seat. Maybe.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6740	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:50:00 - [5] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I kind of hope they remove the extra passengers from assault dropships, so it's just the pilot and his gunners. Logi ships already had basically no purpose as they were, the ADS just made that more obvious by acting as an even better troop transport It's why I think the ADS shouldn't even have a dropship base model, but a model all its own, one that clearly has no space for anyone other than the pilot and his gunners. That said, I feel for you guys, since ADS is an entirely different playstyle than standard ships. So you mean gunships right? Again it's just a difference of interpretation of terms. I think Gunship as a big ass, slow flying vehicle with a bunch of turrets. Literally, a ship of guns. What you appear to interpret gunship as is a light agile craft that focuses on killing. Your definition is probably accurate, it's just not the image it invokes in my mind. I think behemoth floating death when I think gunship.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6742	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:49:00 - [6] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: When was the last time you saw an enforcer? Or for that matter, when was the last time you saw a scout LAV? Ok, now when was the last time you saw a logistics vehicle besides a LLAV murder taxi? Yet you see ADS all the time. That tells you something about how fundamental they are. Actually all it tells you is that the other variants are absolute crap, and if you're going to fly a dropship, most people are going to choose the one that actually halfway works, because they aren't masochists like me Removing everything for a while and balancing around the base vehicles opens the potential for actual useful variants to emerge across the board.

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