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Gunnut88
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:35:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As a Brit with the NHS, I find it amusing that any political group would get so mad about this degree of healthcare.
Because we Americans value our freedom that many of us have fought for and that many have died for. One of the provisions is Obamacare is that the government can come in and inspect aka search your home at any time. **** that we have a Constitutional right against search and seizure without probable cause. Doctors will also be required to ask people if they own guns. Owning a gun is a Constitutional Right that many doctors are against so I don't feel that it is any of their business what guns I have in my house. I own several guns some for hunting, some for self defense, and others just to go to the range and shoot.
It all comes down to personal freedom which we Americans value above anything else. |
Gunnut88
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:40:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Hmm... yeah I can understand why Obama doesn't want to negotiate. And yes the TEA Party(Terrorists Extorting America) is the blame sorry.
The Republican Timeline:
March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."
April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."
Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."
Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."
Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke healthcare."
June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare."
Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they don't want healthcare."
Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."
Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't repeal healthcare."
Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."
June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."
July 2013: "We're going to vote like 40 more times to erase healthcare."
Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding,
destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing
and ripping apart healthcare."
Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING."
Both sides are at fault. Obama was the first to say that he would shut the government if he didn't get his way. Compromise is a 2 way street not one side giving in to the others demands as we saw with the government shutdown. Remove the penalties people would face for opting out and you would see more people such as myself participate in ObamaCare. But since they want to tell me that I have to pay another bill on top of the ones I already have or face fines well they can kiss my ass. |
Gunnut88
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:49:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Gunnut88 wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Hmm... yeah I can understand why Obama doesn't want to negotiate. And yes the TEA Party(Terrorists Extorting America) is the blame sorry.
The Republican Timeline:
March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."
April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."
Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."
Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."
Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke healthcare."
June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare."
Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they don't want healthcare."
Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."
Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't repeal healthcare."
Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."
June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."
July 2013: "We're going to vote like 40 more times to erase healthcare."
Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding,
destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing
and ripping apart healthcare."
Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING." Both sides are at fault. Obama was the first to say that he would shut the government if he didn't get his way. Compromise is a 2 way street not one side giving in to the others demands as we saw with the government shutdown. Remove the penalties people would face for opting out and you would see more people such as myself participate in ObamaCare. But since they want to tell me that I have to pay another bill on top of the ones I already have or face fines well they can kiss my ass. Is that what Faux "News" told you to say? Obama had nothing to do with this shut down. Only Congress has the power to pass a budget. Which makes it kind of obvious that this was Republican orchestrated. It cost the American economy 25 BILLION to boot before all was said and done. What did they get to show for it? A good roasting by the American public before they tucked their tail between their legs and ran home to mommy cause the "mean" black man wanted to make sure every American had medical care like every other civilized nation in the world.
Is that what CNN told you to say, all the different news channels are biased its up to you to do your research and get as close to the whole story. I hate all politicians whether Republican or Democrat but I will definitely say I hate Obama more due to his policies(gun control, immigration and ACA). Like I said get rid of the penalties people would face for opting out and you will get more support and participation in ACA. Until then you will have people like me who tell the government to **** off. I refuse to allow someone in my house without my permission so I will not be participating in ACA since that would allow the government to inspect aka search my house without probable cause. Sorry it is none of their ******* business what I do or own inside my house.
As far as what every other "civilized" country does, don't ******* care what they do in other countries. If I wanted things like they are in other countries I would move there, I stay in America because I enjoy the freedom we have, or rather are supposed to have and would prefer we kept that freedom. |
Gunnut88
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:47:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Gunnut88 wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Gunnut88 wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Hmm... yeah I can understand why Obama doesn't want to negotiate. And yes the TEA Party(Terrorists Extorting America) is the blame sorry.
The Republican Timeline:
March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."
April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."
Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."
Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."
Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke healthcare."
June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare."
Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they don't want healthcare."
Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."
Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't repeal healthcare."
Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."
June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."
July 2013: "We're going to vote like 40 more times to erase healthcare."
Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding,
destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing
and ripping apart healthcare."
Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING." Both sides are at fault. Obama was the first to say that he would shut the government if he didn't get his way. Compromise is a 2 way street not one side giving in to the others demands as we saw with the government shutdown. Remove the penalties people would face for opting out and you would see more people such as myself participate in ObamaCare. But since they want to tell me that I have to pay another bill on top of the ones I already have or face fines well they can kiss my ass. Is that what Faux "News" told you to say? Obama had nothing to do with this shut down. Only Congress has the power to pass a budget. Which makes it kind of obvious that this was Republican orchestrated. It cost the American economy 25 BILLION to boot before all was said and done. What did they get to show for it? A good roasting by the American public before they tucked their tail between their legs and ran home to mommy cause the "mean" black man wanted to make sure every American had medical care like every other civilized nation in the world. Is that what CNN told you to say, all the different news channels are biased its up to you to do your research and get as close to the whole story. I hate all politicians whether Republican or Democrat but I will definitely say I hate Obama more due to his policies(gun control, immigration and ACA). Like I said get rid of the penalties people would face for opting out and you will get more support and participation in ACA. Until then you will have people like me who tell the government to **** off. I refuse to allow someone in my house without my permission so I will not be participating in ACA since that would allow the government to inspect aka search my house without probable cause. Sorry it is none of their ******* business what I do or own inside my house. As far as what every other "civilized" country does, don't ******* care what they do in other countries. If I wanted things like they are in other countries I would move there, I stay in America because I enjoy the freedom we have, or rather are supposed to have and would prefer we kept that freedom. Yes, Obama is going to put on his combat boots and parachute from Air Force One, blow a hole through your roof, and land in your living room. He is then going to karate you into submission and force you to sign up for Obamacare! Question!?! Do you get insurance through your employer? If the answer is yes then Obamacare doesn't even have anything to do with you and you can go about your life. If the answer is no then you have a chance to get preventative care which will save lives, cut costs to health care(lack of preventative care has been proven to drive up costs), and it will create a boom in jobs for everything involving the health industry. More doctors, nurses, clerks, and even IT staff will be needed to cover the extra 20 - 30 million people soon. But keep drinking that tea bro... i'm sure it will all work out in the end right? lol...
Nope I no longer get insurance from work because of Obamacare. I was also,like many people, cut from full time down to part time because of Obamacare. While it may have caused more jobs to be created 70% of those jobs are part time and alot of existing full time jobs became part time because employers have to save money to afford the increased costs brought on by ObamaCare. This country needs full time jobs not part time that still don't allow people to support themselves or their families without government assistance.
As for your very idiotic comment about Obama coming to my house, of course it won't be Obama. It does not matter who it is I value my right to privacy and any attempt to enter my house without my permission or probable cause is a violation of my 4th Amendment rights. No violation of Constitutional Rights is acceptable and all violations are treason in its highest form as the Constitution is the very fabric this country was founded founded on. But then again you and your kind don't believe in Constitutional Rights unless it suits you.
Why should I trust the government after Homeland Security labels all of us Veterans as potential domestic terrorists essentially putting us on a watch list. Then people such as Feinstein want to strip us Veterans of our 2nd Amendment that we fought for and that many died for. Yea sorry but they can kiss my ass I have 0 faith and 0 trust in the government.
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Gunnut88
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:03:00 -
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As for assuming that I support the Tea Party I most definitely do not. I do not support any politician since they are all, whether Democrat, Republican etc, out for nothing more than political power. Once the American people figure this out instead of voting by party we can fix this country. I am a Constitutionalist looking for 100% adherence to the Constitution as it is written not the way it is interpreted to support someones political agenda. I believe that all Constitutional Rights are absolute and that no restriction is legal according to the Constitution. There is a reason it was written in plain English and not legalese. That reason is so that every citizen can understand it without the help of so called scholars. If we got some politicians that believed as I do then I would support them until then they have less value than the deer **** that gets on my boots come hunting season. |
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