DUST Search - Turning a Profit as a Scout, or; "The Rise of El-Cheapo"

CommanderBolt wrote:

Shotty GoBang wrote:

Gh0st C0de wrote:

Do I have a fitting problem... or are our suits just not cost effective compared to our death rate?

At 150,000 return per match (on average), I can afford to die 5 times in my Advanced SG Scout Fits. I run a standard shotgun, a standard SMG, and standard locus nades. I typically run two complex shield extenders (like you), a basic armor repper and an enhanced card reg. I turn a profit in an Advanced Suit over 50% of the time. When solo, I back out of pubstomps without slightest pause.

The active scanner - - which I noticed you aren't running -- helps a lot. Assessing risk prior to engagement is a pretty big deal for a Scout. I personally prefer the A19 as its cheap and easy to fit. Force presence, in my opinion, is better left to the Logis, who have room to fit resource-intensive uplinks.

Even when weighing risks, I die dang near every time I surprise-attack a lone, high eHP medium. If/when Scouts are buffed, I suspect you and I will fare far better odds of successful assassination. It'd also help if shotguns were balanced against ARs and ScRs. I believe a Shotgun (and Nova Knife) fix is in the works for 1.6. Still no ETA on the long-awaited Scout buff. Fingers crossed for Christmas.

I dunno man, I love the active scanner, I feel lost in my scout without it BUT ....

Would you not agree that the active scanner is somehow, ahhhh how to put this.... making us scouts lazy? Or to put it another way, is the active scanner dulling the natural abilities of a scout? (By this I mean being aware of your surroundings, looking for direction of gunfire etc...)

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Gh0st C0de Spirit Collective 55	Posted - 2013.10.03 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote I am a scout. It is not something I chose to be, I just am. I know, you're saying "you skilled into it" but that's not what I mean. In every game I have played where one kills things with weapons, whether laser beams or bows, I play a lightly armored, highly mobile, stealth based character that focuses on taking people out from concealment in one or two blows. I focus on traps, sabotage. espionage and deceit. I love it. Perhaps it is due to the fact that my professional life demands a high degree of integrity, honesty and transparency that I so enjoy being the proverbial snake in the grass in games. I don't know. I just do. That being said, I'm rather new I am not the best scout out there. There's a whole scout leader-board to tell you this. Check out the thread. I am teetering at just under 5 million SP. I generally do very well in regard to war points in public matches, over 1000 consistently if I'm not getting proto-stomped. However, I just switched to an advanced suit and I am leaking ISK like a busted oil can. just recently finished with most of my core, shield and armor upgrades. I have most modules I use up to Advanced and all of my weapons up to rank 3, I am something of a jack of all trades with weapons as I have many fittings for different ranges and utilities. My advanced scout fittings cost ten times as much ISK as my basic fittings, but I barely perform any better, perhaps one or two fewer deaths on average. As such, going 12/10 with 1600 no longer nets me a 200k ISK profit.... going 14/7 nets me a 20k ISK profit. Often I will break even or lose the price of two fittings or more. As such, I have made a Dragonfly scout that is exclusively CQC based (Scram Pistol and Nova Knives) stealth tanked and uplink toting that I call "El-Cheapo." This fitting costs 2400ISK and even if it dies 20 times (no, I've never actually lost 20 clones, this is hypothetical) I turn a huge profit. I bought a single Aurum proto suit and managed to go 14/1 with my only death being to a sniper with an ishukone. As such, I think my playstyle is working fine. I was just able to use those extra low slots to slap armor plates on.I don't play any differently. Though there are times I will get reckless and suicide remote explosive a group, usually as a cheap fitting. Now, I am not too proud to ask my fellow scouts if my fittings might suck. I may just stick with El-Cheapo until I have the ISK for a prototype suit, but ideally I can learn a thing or two about making my advanced fitting more survivable. I have six basic fittings, though I have a few of each with varying equipment modules. (A Link scout, a RE scout, and so forth.) I list them in order of how often I use them.... Although El-Cheapo is making his rise lately. 1. Hacker Scout: High Slots: 2 x Shield Extenders, Weapons: CRG-3 SG, M512-A SMG, Basic Locus Grenades, Equipment: Stable Drop Uplink, Low Slots: 1xProfile Dampener, 1x Cardiac Regulator 2. Flanking Scout:High Slots: 2 x Shield Extenders, Weapons: CRG-3 SG, M512-A SMG, Basic Locus Grenades, Equipment: Stable Drop Uplink, Low Slots: 1xProfile Dampener, 1x Enhanced Reactive Plate 3. Sniper Scout:High Slots: 1x Light DMG Mod, 1x Precision Enhancer, Weapons: NT-511, KLO-1 SP, Basic Locus Grenades, Equipment: Stable Drop Uplink or Nanohives, Low Slots: 1xProfile Dampener, 1x Range Amplifier 4. Assault Scout:High Slots: 2 x Shield Extenders, Weapons: Toxin AR, Nova Knives, Basic Locus Grenades, Equipment: Remote Explosives, Low Slots: 1xProfile Dampener, 1x Enhanced Plates 5. El-Cheapo: High Slots: 1 x Shield Extender, 1x Precision Enhancer Weapons: KLO-1 SP, Nova Knives Basic Locus Grenades, Equipment: Stable Drop Uplink, Low Slots: 2x Profile Dampener 6. Tank Scout: High Slots: 2 x Shield Extenders, Weapons: CRG-3 SG, M512-A SMG, Basic Locus Grenades, Equipment: Stable Drop Uplink, Low Slots: 1x Enhanced Reactive, 1x Enhanced Ferroscale Do I have a fitting problem... or are our suits just not cost effective compared to our death rate? I don't claim to be a dust master...it's only been two months and I have grad-school and a job, I am truly open to constructive criticism and help.
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 52	Posted - 2013.10.03 20:36:00 - [2] - Quote So I think the length of your post is going to turn some people away, and I don't have enough time to analyze your builds, nor do I think I'm skilled enough to do so, but I will comment on the cost effectiveness of the scout builds. I've been running a scout since Uprising dropped, and had a blast. With the new AA, I've found it very difficult to be cost effective these days, and I generally only run ADV/STD gear. My suits might cost 30K, with almost nothing equipped on them. Let's say you do middle of the field in terms of KDR, maybe like 5/5, you'll end up spending every drop of ISK you earned on those suits. They are just impossible to run with any cost effectiveness. Due to this, I've switched builds for the time being, and run STD/Militia gear to be more affordable, and I turn a much larger profit, but also die a lot more. I find that my scout can only be cost effective when I'm playing skirmish matches against a relatively uncoordinated team. If you can find lone wolf mercs to pick off, or bop around dropping uplinks and hacking, you can significantly increase your WPs and ISK. I hope to see ADV gear become a little cheaper, and proto gear get much more expensive. Then people would likely only be willing to spend the ISK on a full proto build when they are going to earn 2 million ISK (PC matches), and can't risk dying even once in a pub match.
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2013.10.03 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote My cheap-o scout is Gallante std scout (dren) Std shotty (dren) 2x complex kincats Went on a 13 killstreak yesterday.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1415	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:10:00 - [4] - Quote Gh0st C0de wrote: Do I have a fitting problem... or are our suits just not cost effective compared to our death rate? At 150,000 return per match (on average), I can afford to die 5 times in my Advanced SG Scout Fits. I run a standard shotgun, a standard SMG, and standard locus nades. I typically run two complex shield extenders (like you), a basic armor repper and an enhanced card reg. I turn a profit in an Advanced Suit over 50% of the time. When solo, I back out of pubstomps without slightest pause. The active scanner - - which I noticed you aren't running -- helps a lot. Assessing risk prior to engagement is a pretty big deal for a Scout. I personally prefer the A19 as its cheap and easy to fit. Force presence, in my opinion, is better left to the Logis, who have room to fit resource-intensive uplinks. Even when weighing risks, I die dang near every time I surprise-attack a lone, high eHP medium. If/when Scouts are buffed, I suspect you and I will fare far better odds of successful assassination. It'd also help if shotguns were balanced against ARs and ScRs. I believe a Shotgun (and Nova Knife) fix is in the works for 1.6. Still no ETA on the long-awaited Scout buff. Fingers crossed for Christmas.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1536	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:26:00 - [5] - Quote My Only scout fix is def. not ''EL CHEAPO''. ''Black Lighting'' Costing around 130K Proto Minnie Scout 3 Cx Shield Ext 1 Cx Kin 1 ADV Prof Damp Ishikune SMG Compact Nanos 330 (ish) Shields 80 (ish) Armor When i take this baby out for a spin i usually DONT die (take it out for infiltration purposes,like when we are being redlines but i still want to collect some dogtags), if i do die; i rage,smash my balls agains the tv , yell at my hamster and then remember; scouts are underpowered.... ....and i dont have a hamster....
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 546	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:44:00 - [6] - Quote I also enjoy the playstyle of being a scout, as much as it frustrates me and I wish I had spent SP in medium frames, to be honest there is something in my blood that just makes me want to play the scout, thief, rogue, ranger.... whatever. I run standard suits almost exclusively, even though I have 18M SP, Prototype Gallente suits, as well as plenty of ISKies. The reason is mainly for the challenge, but also for the cost. I don't really like the idea that I can only die twice in a proto suit and I'm in the red, or 5-6 times in an ADV suit.... typically I try to keep my deaths under 4-5, and but with a standard suit I have a big margin for error and can afford to be a bit banzi if I want. That being said the thing I notice about a lot of your fits is that they lack armor reps or armor repping nanohives. As a gallente scout, not having repairing armor means that after your initial engagement you could be going into your next skirmish with only 80-160 shields and worst case no armor. With reps you can double your effective HP. I think as a scout you always want to have full health given that we have so little of it. It hurts using a low slot for this but it really helps. You can rock the cheap fits but you may want to up your survivability with the reps/reactive plates (even doing this with your ADV fits and running away to heal may help your survivability more). Or go for more range if you don't use a scanner so you can pick your battles.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1911	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote On most of your fittings you say you're fielding a Profile Dampeners. Firstly IGÇÖd like to ask what level Profile Dampener are you running and what skill level of scout suit do you run/have? Secondly; could you possibly update your OP with detailed leveled modules so us fitting gurusGÇÖ can make iterations upon your current fittings. The reason why IGÇÖm asking for this information is because you may not be reducing your scan profile enough to be unscannable to to various Handheld Active Scanners and in so limiting your overall fittings with possible waisted slots, which could then be used for other viable moduals. With that said; your Hacking fitting would be more effective with the use of Codebreakers to increase your hacking speed. I get that you're trying to use the Profile Dampener to avoid being seen enroute to that objective or instillation for hacking but again you may not be reducing your scan profile enough to be unscannable.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2102	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:48:00 - [8] - Quote Honestly I always pull profit. No idea how maybe it's my slowly increasing KDR maybe it's the magic of G-1s who knows.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1010	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:54:00 - [9] - Quote I have been running starter suits all week just to make some ISK. I have found that I play much more aggressively and end up doing as well or better than a 45K suit. My KDR has even stayed the about the same. Can't wait till all my BPO suits and weapons get here in the mail. All pretty and red, almost wish I had been born Amarrian. Then I remember chrome don't get you home and I am glad I was born free and pure as the driven snow.
Khemlar Maktaar Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 17	Posted - 2013.10.04 00:54:00 - [10] - Quote I run a std scout with 1 shield extender,smg,ar,packed av,plate,rep and i get 420 hp and **** some this hard gerenraly i can solo protos in it. at once stage i soloed 3 was laughing my balls of my friends know me as that chatty scout who scores crazy and usualy comes no 1 on kills/wp. Once u know how to move and aim very well scounts are amazing but the suit itself is weak they need some love when they do i will be going god mode^^

Gh0st C0de Spirit Collective 59	Posted - 2013.10.04 01:44:00 - [11] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: On most of your fittings you say you're fielding a Profile Dampeners. Firstly IGÇÖd like to ask what level Profile Dampener are you running and what skill level of scout suit do you run/have? Secondly; could you possibly update your OP with detailed leveled modules so us fitting gurusGÇÖ can make iterations upon your current fittings. The reason why IGÇÖm asking for this information is because you may not be reducing your scan profile enough to be unscannable to to various Handheld Active Scanners and in so limiting your overall fittings with possible waisted slots, which could then be used for other viable moduals. With that said; your Hacking fitting would be more effective with the use of Codebreakers to increase your hacking speed. I get that you're trying to use the Profile Dampener to avoid being seen enroute to that objective or instillation for hacking but again you may not be reducing your scan profile enough to be unscannable. I will get to updating right now. =)
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1921	Posted - 2013.10.05 10:25:00 - [12] - Quote Update?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1554	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:05:00 - [13] - Quote I run the dragonfly as a sniper... most of my cost goes into rifle. I've got the toxin bpo for a sidearm... and am starting to get kills with it here and there when I run out of ammo and suicide into objective territory. I'm hoping that running a paper suit and slowly skilling into some other weapons will end up making me feel invincible when I get into a real suit or a real fit.
Gh0st C0de Spirit Collective 64	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:30:00 - [14] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Update? I listed the level of the modules and the suit types.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 370	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:40:00 - [15] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Gh0st C0de wrote: Do I have a fitting problem... or are our suits just not cost effective compared to our death rate? At 150,000 return per match (on average), I can afford to die 5 times in my Advanced SG Scout Fits. I run a standard shotgun, a standard SMG, and standard locus nades. I typically run two complex shield extenders (like you), a basic armor repper and an enhanced card reg. I turn a profit in an Advanced Suit over 50% of the time. When solo, I back out of pubstomps without slightest pause. The active scanner - - which I noticed you aren't running -- helps a lot. Assessing risk prior to engagement is a pretty big deal for a Scout. I personally prefer the A19 as its cheap and easy to fit. Force presence, in my opinion, is better left to the Logis, who have room to fit resource-intensive uplinks. Even when weighing risks, I die dang near every time I surprise-attack a lone, high eHP medium. If/when Scouts are buffed, I suspect you and I will fare far better odds of successful assassination. It'd also help if shotguns were balanced against ARs and ScRs. I believe a Shotgun (and Nova Knife) fix is in the works for 1.6. Still no ETA on the long-awaited Scout buff. Fingers crossed for Christmas. I dunno man, I love the active scanner, I feel lost in my scout without it BUT .... Would you not agree that the active scanner is somehow, ahhhh how to put this.... making us scouts lazy? Or to put it another way, is the active scanner dulling the natural abilities of a scout? (By this I mean being aware of your surroundings, looking for direction of gunfire etc...)
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 238	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:51:00 - [16] - Quote I understand your pain guys and have been through it numerous times in past builds and proud to say you can get away from the dreaded "flat line of payment", if you want to strengthen your skill as a Scout and it's knowledge then I highly recommend joining 'R 0 N 1 N'. We offer the ways, tools and knowledge to combat the war economy and build adaptation with it. Yes, you will rage and scream, BUT you will gain profit in both KDR and ISK. Plus, it's free of charge to join and the only thing we do charge is a 5% surcharge after every battle. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=111678&find=unread
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 211	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:02:00 - [17] - Quote Problem is you're using armor plates, its not a problem just that your losing speed which you need unless you're going to be an assault and easily killed without being able to dodge anyone. If you want armor use ferroscale a lot of scouts use plates to tank themselves but i say go assault and play the game how it should be, others just wanna stay alive but abuse the scout suit.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 211	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:03:00 - [18] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Gh0st C0de wrote: Do I have a fitting problem... or are our suits just not cost effective compared to our death rate? At 150,000 return per match (on average), I can afford to die 5 times in my Advanced SG Scout Fits. I run a standard shotgun, a standard SMG, and standard locus nades. I typically run two complex shield extenders (like you), a basic armor repper and an enhanced card reg. I turn a profit in an Advanced Suit over 50% of the time. When solo, I back out of pubstomps without slightest pause. The active scanner - - which I noticed you aren't running -- helps a lot. Assessing risk prior to engagement is a pretty big deal for a Scout. I personally prefer the A19 as its cheap and easy to fit. Force presence, in my opinion, is better left to the Logis, who have room to fit resource-intensive uplinks. Even when weighing risks, I die dang near every time I surprise-attack a lone, high eHP medium. If/when Scouts are buffed, I suspect you and I will fare far better odds of successful assassination. It'd also help if shotguns were balanced against ARs and ScRs. I believe a Shotgun (and Nova Knife) fix is in the works for 1.6. Still no ETA on the long-awaited Scout buff. Fingers crossed for Christmas. I dunno man, I love the active scanner, I feel lost in my scout without it BUT .... Would you not agree that the active scanner is somehow, ahhhh how to put this.... making us scouts lazy? Or to put it another way, is the active scanner dulling the natural abilities of a scout? (By this I mean being aware of your surroundings, looking for direction of gunfire etc...) Yeah i figured that out so i started going passive scanning and droped minmatar scout for galante scout. I know its stupid but galante scout can get up to 99 scan radius.
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 326	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:19:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: My Only scout fix is def. not ''EL CHEAPO''. ''Black Lighting'' Costing around 130K Proto Minnie Scout 3 Cx Shield Ext 1 Cx Kin 1 ADV Prof Damp Ishikune SMG Compact Nanos 330 (ish) Shields 80 (ish) Armor When i take this baby out for a spin i usually DONT die (take it out for infiltration purposes,like when we are being redlines but i still want to collect some dogtags), if i do die; i rage,smash my balls agains the tv , yell at my hamster and then remember; scouts are underpowered.... ....and i dont have a hamster.... KING CHECKMATE posting.. in lowercase letters? +5
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 327	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:36:00 - [20] - Quote If you, a fellow Scout hit hard by recent patches, need financial assistance, please contact me in game.

Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 182	Posted - 2013.10.05 16:24:00 - [21] - Quote Minnie STD scout Ishukone nova knives Militia locus grenade STD scanner Enhanced cardiac regulator Militia profile dampener Cheap at <20k isk per suit.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 261	Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 - [22] - Quote Gh0st C0de wrote: 3. Sniper Scout: High Slots: Adv Gal Suit- 1x Basic Light DMG Mod, 1x Basic Precision Enhancer Weapons: NT-511, KLO-1 SP, Basic Locus Grenades Equipment: Stable Drop Uplink or Nanohives Low Slots: 1x Basic Profile Dampener, 1xBasic Range Amplifier First, weird formatting. I couldn't find your low slots. As for this fitting, if you are hill sniping then the range amplifier and precision enhancer aren't going to help you. Get your complex damage mods if you haven't got them yet. You are a one shot kill for any other sniper as well so you might want to add some shields and/or armor plates. If you're running around on the ground close to the fighting then it's a decent fit(but a complex damage mod would be better in any case).
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 - [23] - Quote BPO Dragonfly Scout Militia AR BPO Toxin SMG BPO militia Cardiac Regulator BPO militia Profile Dampener R-9 Drop Up-links BPO militia Grenades Suits cost 3600 ISK each. I have 10Mil in SP, mostly in core stuff and AR/SMG. I do about 7-10 kills per match unless it's just a washout and people are waiting on me. I have been averaging about 2-3 KDR "OF LATE" with a pretty wild splay from .60 to 6.0 KDR. I WP at about 1000 unless, yet again, it's a washout. It's a fun life, but if a bullet goes by me, my head pops off.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1922	Posted - 2013.10.05 17:37:00 - [24] - Quote All your fittings are pretty sound. I was concerned that you were wasting slots fitting the profile dampeners on some of your suits but the maths works out fine. The suits where you have 1 basic profile dampener fitted are reducing your profile to 31dB; enough to be unscannable to all advanced scanners. And The GÇ£El-CheapoGÇ¥ fit with 2x basic profile dampeners fitted is reducing your profile to 24 dB; enough to be unscalable to prototype scanners (apart from the Prototype Focused Scanner.) Heres the dB (Decibels) scan range by level for Handheld Active Scanners; Basic Scanner - 46 dB Advanced Scanner - 36 dB Prototype Scanner - 28 dB Focused Prototype Scanner - 15 dB The fittings with Precision Enhancer on; you should maybe think about swapping them out for shield extenders or damage moduals, considering scout suits already have a high scan precision but lack in EHP although maybe you don't have the fitting requirement to fit anything else. Also you should look towards the System Hacking skill to get access to Codebreakers for your hacking fittings. Anyway all in all I think you're heading in the right direction fitting wise and asking for help is a good way to learn more; which many of us do not do enough! If you'd like some more help etc; you're more than welcome to contact me via in game mail and hook up via a channel and IGÇÖll do my best to help out where and when ever. o7
DTOracle The Surrogates Of War 137	Posted - 2013.10.05 17:44:00 - [25] - Quote It's the Adv weapons that are costing the most in your fits. & though I love the Adv & Proto shotgun I rarely use them for this reason. The Adv isn't really that expensive, but I have just as much success with the STD shotty & more cpu/pg to spare for modules and/or equipment. That being said you should still aim to max out your skills for the weapon bonuses.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1400	Posted - 2013.10.05 18:19:00 - [26] - Quote so, i like where your head's at. here's the thing is, you're using an advanced suit with basic fittings, which is something you should never ever do. Your skill priority: A) Complex Damage mods and/or B) Complex shield extenders. literally stop using advanced suits until you can fit one of the above. 1x complex shield extender on your dragonfly bpo scout is instantly more survivable than any of the advanced fits that you have posted. if you can upgrade your "assault scout" fit to 1x complex shield, 1x complex dmg mod, and a std AR, you will be doing more damage, have increased survivability, and less total ISK cost than if you ran a Gek with basic shield extenders. also, if you run 2x complex shield extenders on the advanced AR fit, change your enhanced plate to a basic/enh reactive; the increased shield buffer makes up the difference. If you win an engagement but are stuck with armor damage > you are just throwing the fit away. CQC cheap fits where you're dead regardless? sure, damp and card reg, but if you expect to survive a fight u need armor reps if you are concerned about ISK.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1400	Posted - 2013.10.05 18:24:00 - [27] - Quote Also, dump the SMG you are using down to standard / bpo on all fits. due to scout's tight fitting, it just isn't worth it - you're probably dead before you switch from your SG anyway, and if you're not and just using the SMG as a finisher, the std will do the job fine. once you drop that down and fitting is no longer an issue, the only benefit you're gaining from your adv suit is +22hp from your second basic extender... garbage considering the cost of the suit at your level. put the fit on a bpo scout, buff your DPS through skills, and just crank out the isk until you're running complex mods. adv assault smg (m209 not the one you are using) is an option for primary if you are knifing... but might as well just stick to a std AR for range. also try a Glu-5 AR for 'combat sniping' with militia fit dragonfly bpo suit. it can be fun; also shows how much you spend on guns
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 416	Posted - 2013.10.05 18:32:00 - [28] - Quote Dominus Fatali wrote: If you, a fellow Scout hit hard by recent patches, need financial assistance, please contact me in game. Slightly unrelated, but how is Nox Eterna doing? Haven't seen you guys since the break off
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 567	Posted - 2013.10.05 18:38:00 - [29] - Quote Hmmm... I run my "Tactician"(hacker, flanker, spawn control) and "Rogue"(hacker, flanker, recon) fits most of the time and they are full ADV (except the Extenders). Tactician 2x Basic Extenders / ADV Breach SMG / ADV Knives / ADV uplinks (Rogue uses ADV scanner instead) / enhanced Cardiac / enhanced Codebreaker. Even when I go negative I usually profit at the end of each match. When I need to build up some ISK more quickly I simply switch to my STD Tactician and am able to profit even if I die constantly with 0 kills. Currently the only thing stopping me from going into the 100 millions is the fact that I keep giving friends (and sometimes random strangers) millions of ISK at a time. Well that and the vehicle restocking.... those things are expensive `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 49	Posted - 2013.10.05 20:14:00 - [30] - Quote i very much recommend changing the complex ferroscales armor for a basic or even a enchanced armor plate, the speed penalty is acceptable, and gives more health, and of course its cheaper on the cpu/pg and isk side, but im talking about gallente scout, honestly i dont know how to fit effectively a min scout, but according to everything i have seen the minja is better to hit and run tactics and of course nova knifing, and the gallente is master of stealth



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