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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.03 11:53:00 -
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Only if you accept a temporary removal of you turrets.  |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1563
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:03:00 -
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This community is getting stupider by the hour....
I see tanks going 30-0 / 40-0 in regular basics, most AV weapons are useless against them... and you want to temporally remove the only weapons that can make them run for cover now and again ?
I have a better idea; Just remove Dropsuits altogether, and lets make Dust 514 a Vehicles only game.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1563
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:16:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:This community is getting stupider by the hour....
I see tanks going 30-0 / 40-0 in regular basics, most AV weapons are useless against them... and you want to temporally remove the only weapons that can make them run for cover now and again ?
I have a better idea; Just remove Dropsuits altogether, and lets make Dust 514 a Vehicles only game.
QQ much? any tank going 30 and 0 is when nobody goes AV because they're lazy and want easy infantry assist kills or they are terrible. Av is cheap, costs little SP and I've never met a tank I couldn't put the finishing blow on with a militia forge and some AV nades. A. "remove the only weapon". Are are impling you think the only weapon capable of killing a vehicle is (proto) forge? lawl? B. remove dropsuits. Ok QQ Queen.
AV cheap ? Die 5 times in a row just to "scare" a tank away ? and then die another 5 times trying to hunt it down ?
I actually spent about 500,000 isk in battles just trying to "scare" a tank away from a position ...with not rewards... No WP, not kills... not ISK... NOTHING. Just helping my team to defend an area... that is it.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:30:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:calisk galern wrote:to be clear you want to remove advanc and better in swarms, forge guns, grenades, and proximity mines?
i'd get a good laugh I guess with how easy of a time good tank pilots would have. I think you're missing the point In other words let me get this clear: You want vehicles to have half their roles stripped out, modules removed, and hulls all stuck at standard. While you Blap at them with a proto assault forge gun and Lai AV nades. And you expect this will somehow give CCP a better picture of how to adjust balance against AV and vehicles? When no vehicle will last more than 2 seconds on the field?. How the hell am I supposed to survive more than a moment in a STD dropship when everyone on the enemy team already has proto swarms? This guy should be CPM. He's totally unbiased and sensible /s
Let me get this straight.... you don't want Prototype weapons destroying you STD tank ? I am hearing this correctly ? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:38:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:calisk galern wrote:to be clear you want to remove advanc and better in swarms, forge guns, grenades, and proximity mines?
i'd get a good laugh I guess with how easy of a time good tank pilots would have. I think you're missing the point In other words let me get this clear: You want vehicles to have half their roles stripped out, modules removed, and hulls all stuck at standard. While you Blap at them with a proto assault forge gun and Lai AV nades. And you expect this will somehow give CCP a better picture of how to adjust balance against AV and vehicles? When no vehicle will last more than 2 seconds on the field?. How the hell am I supposed to survive more than a moment in a STD dropship when everyone on the enemy team already has proto swarms? This guy should be CPM. He's totally unbiased and sensible /s Let me get this straight.... you don't want Prototype weapons destroying you STD tank ? I am hearing this correctly ? idk where you're hearing that, nobody ever said it. What exactly is wrong with you?
Dropship sorry.... but still ;
Quote:How the hell am I supposed to survive more than a moment in a STD dropship when everyone on the enemy team already has proto swarms?
How can you seriously complain about this with a straight face...You know how much SP and ISK proto swarm launchers cost ? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:52:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:calisk galern wrote:to be clear you want to remove advanc and better in swarms, forge guns, grenades, and proximity mines?
i'd get a good laugh I guess with how easy of a time good tank pilots would have. I think you're missing the point In other words let me get this clear: You want vehicles to have half their roles stripped out, modules removed, and hulls all stuck at standard. While you Blap at them with a proto assault forge gun and Lai AV nades. And you expect this will somehow give CCP a better picture of how to adjust balance against AV and vehicles? When no vehicle will last more than 2 seconds on the field?. How the hell am I supposed to survive more than a moment in a STD dropship when everyone on the enemy team already has proto swarms? This guy should be CPM. He's totally unbiased and sensible /s Let me get this straight.... you don't want Prototype weapons destroying you STD tank ? I am hearing this correctly ? When I saw his post I figured those with narrow minds would enter with the rawr rawr djibawr. IMO it would be a btter test of current vehicles to see their survivabilty versus MLT/STD/ADV, ADV is still very tricky for tanks, they catch you off guard or being cocky they can destroy you fast, also they are very good for getting a tank to retreat. What they don't have is patheticly OP abilities.
I am narrow minded ? Seriously, do you know how much SP you have to invest in an AV weapon to get it to the point that does some "serious" damage ? Then to that add CPU and PG restrictions, which means that you will need Core skills too.. and most likely also a Proto suit to use it. Now... add all the SP and ISK.... done ? now.. talk me who is being narrow minded |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:04:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:
When I saw his post I figured those with narrow minds would enter with the rawr rawr djibawr. IMO it would be a btter test of current vehicles to see their survivabilty versus MLT/STD/ADV, ADV is still very tricky for tanks, they catch you off guard or being cocky they can destroy you fast, also they are very good for getting a tank to retreat.
What they don't have is patheticly OP abilities.
I am narrow minded ? Seriously, do you know how much SP you have to invest in an AV weapon to get it to the point that does some "serious" damage ? Then to that add CPU and PG restrictions, which means that you will need Core skills too.. and most likely also a Proto suit to use it. Now... add all the SP and ISK.... done ? now.. talk me who is being narrow minded Yeah because all of that sounds like absolute **** compared to the exact same arguements coming from vehicles with more merit. AV takes a lot of SP to be effective? Are you kidding me? Know how much SP it takes to make any vehicle remotely viable? They're not even viable when maxxed. Proto swarms are expensive? You don't even need them but if you wanted how can you justify that compared to the million isk DS that goes down when 2 militia forge train it? Get outta here
I'm not sure exactly how much it is... i look into it later. But a proper AV suit will cost you around 150,000 / 200,000 isk... and trust me.. you will die like a fly because you can't defend yourself against infantry. Even a decent ADV AV suit will cost you around 80,000 / 100,000 isk. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:13:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:
Let me get this straight.... you don't want Prototype weapons destroying you STD tank ? I am hearing this correctly ?
When I saw his post I figured those with narrow minds would enter with the rawr rawr djibawr. IMO it would be a btter test of current vehicles to see their survivabilty versus MLT/STD/ADV, ADV is still very tricky for tanks, they catch you off guard or being cocky they can destroy you fast, also they are very good for getting a tank to retreat. What they don't have is patheticly OP abilities. I am narrow minded ? Seriously, do you know how much SP you have to invest in an AV weapon to get it to the point that does some "serious" damage ? Then to that add CPU and PG restrictions, which means that you will need Core skills too.. and most likely also a Proto suit to use it. Now... add all the SP and ISK.... done ? now.. talk me who is being narrow minded
Quote:If your wanting to talk about sp investment it took 15 mill to max out everything on my falchions. I know it alsi dosent take any whare near that to run proto swarms as I run both proti swarm and proto forge as well as adv in every other wepon.
AV players are sitting ducks, you have absolutely no defense against infantry....and even if you manage to kill "one" tank some how, you still losing lots of ISK because you died so many times in the process. |
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