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Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1596	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:41:00 - [31] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: indeed we understand our class has counters in game but its not right for only 1 equipment to ruin the entire game for a whole squad of tankers or more for the whole match and beyond... that's not balance... Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV and one av can destroy an entire group of tanks and lock the map down from them
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 940	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:42:00 - [32] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV Isn't that the infantry fault for taking pure flux/frag instead of AV nades? You pay a price for hyper specializing. This is like saying that in an open map, a squad of AR users will obliterate a squad of shotgunners... Every time. Thank you for quoting only a portion. Good old echo was complaining that one AVer can ruin a full squad of tankers. Just showing the flip side on how counters work.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2015	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:43:00 - [33] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I still believe an AVer should be able to solo a Tank, problem is it's not economically fair or viable. I love killing tanks but do you know how bad I feel about it? I feel awful every time I kill someone, knowing it's gonna take 5 games to get another :/ That's like an hour and half play for a Tank (Skirmish), ridiculous.Yes "New Eden is unfair" but it's still ridiculous that it costs so little to take on a tank. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! So if they increase the cost of AV. STD AV grenades 100k, STD Swarm 200k, STD Forge Gun 300k. Will the tankers stop crying? absolutely
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 940	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:44:00 - [34] - Quote Void Echo wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: indeed we understand our class has counters in game but its not right for only 1 equipment to ruin the entire game for a whole squad of tankers or more for the whole match and beyond... that's not balance... Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV and one av can destroy an entire group of tanks and lock the map down from them 1 tank in game with no AV can win the match. Especially in Ambush. Can you really not grasp the concept of sending ppl like me to deal with AV, or is that the tanks job?
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 54	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:45:00 - [35] - Quote It will probably get worse before it gets better for you tankers unfortunately. Just be patient. When u finally get proto tanks(whenever that will be). Its gona take a few guys to take u down.
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1596	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:46:00 - [36] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV Isn't that the infantry fault for taking pure flux/frag instead of AV nades? You pay a price for hyper specializing. This is like saying that in an open map, a squad of AR users will obliterate a squad of shotgunners... Every time. Thank you for quoting only a portion. Good old echo was complaining that one AVer can ruin a full squad of tankers. Just showing the flip side on how counters work. not complaining just giving you examples on how unbalanced things are in favor of av
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6653	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:46:00 - [37] - Quote I crush tankers far more skilled than me with my Ishukone all day every day so
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2015	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:51:00 - [38] - Quote Risk vs. Reward is a fundamental mechanic in New Eden and it is currently skewed in favor of infantry.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 940	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:52:00 - [39] - Quote Void Echo wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV Isn't that the infantry fault for taking pure flux/frag instead of AV nades? You pay a price for hyper specializing. This is like saying that in an open map, a squad of AR users will obliterate a squad of shotgunners... Every time. Thank you for quoting only a portion. Good old echo was complaining that one AVer can ruin a full squad of tankers. Just showing the flip side on how counters work. not complaining just giving you examples on how unbalanced things are in favor of av The only thing that is a bit questionable is the ISK factor. However, we should not be blanching game play on ISK
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 940	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:54:00 - [40] - Quote Thank you tankers form proving my point.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2015	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:57:00 - [41] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Thank you tankers form proving my point. how? it seems like a bunch of prepubescent rambling to me.
Alpha 443-6732 PEN 15 CLUB 77	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:59:00 - [42] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: indeed we understand our class has counters in game but its not right for only 1 equipment to ruin the entire game for a whole squad of tankers or more for the whole match and beyond... that's not balance... Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV and one av can destroy an entire group of tanks and lock the map down from them 1 tank in game with no AV can win the match. Especially in Ambush. Can you really not grasp the concept of sending ppl like me to deal with AV, or is that the tanks job? Why should infantry be able to hard counter a tank and themselves? If that's the case, why doesn't everyone just fight as infantry? At this point, a well positioned infantryman using AV can destroy a tank more effectively than a tank themselves, and switch to his pubstomp fit afterwards to destroy infantry. Infantry AV should not be considered a different role from regular infantry, from an SP balance perspective. Speccing into both infantry and infantry AV costs about the same SP it does to field a mediocre tank, yet the infantry is far more effective overall than the tank (unless you play recklessly while in a tank, which will get you killed against decent players).
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1596	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:59:00 - [43] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: indeed we understand our class has counters in game but its not right for only 1 equipment to ruin the entire game for a whole squad of tankers or more for the whole match and beyond... that's not balance... Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV and one av can destroy an entire group of tanks and lock the map down from them 1 tank in game with no AV can win the match. Especially in Ambush. Can you really not grasp the concept of sending ppl like me to deal with AV, or is that the tanks job? can you really not accept the reality that only 1 out of every 100 mercs actually care about tanks and will defend them? your idea of how infantry works even though you are one is dead wrong when it comes to tanks. if infantry actually did go after the av, then I would only hate you half as much as I do
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1353	Posted - 2013.10.02 22:09:00 - [44] - Quote Void Echo wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Void Echo wrote: indeed we understand our class has counters in game but its not right for only 1 equipment to ruin the entire game for a whole squad of tankers or more for the whole match and beyond... that's not balance... Its a hard counter.... one tank can ruin a squad of infantry with no AV and one av can destroy an entire group of tanks and lock the map down from them 1 tank in game with no AV can win the match. Especially in Ambush. Can you really not grasp the concept of sending ppl like me to deal with AV, or is that the tanks job? can you really not accept the reality that only 1 out of every 100 mercs actually care about tanks and will defend them? your idea of how infantry works even though you are one is dead wrong when it comes to tanks. if infantry actually did go after the av, then I would only hate you half as much as I do Pot calling the kettle black? You tankers are always preaching to infantry that we should have to use superior tactics and teamwork to rid the field of a tank... yet here you are proving once again that tankers just want to solo everything, teamwork or not.
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1598	Posted - 2013.10.02 22:19:00 - [45] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Pot calling the kettle black? You tankers are always preaching to infantry that we should have to use superior tactics and teamwork to rid the field of a tank... yet here you are proving once again that tankers just want to solo everything, teamwork or not. how am I saying I want to solo everything in this thread?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3644	Posted - 2013.10.02 22:31:00 - [46] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: tanks cost 2.5 mil lai dais cost 15k You know how much ISK I would lose if I 1v1 tank for a whole game?\ and sense when are we balancing game play on ISK since infantry recommended turrets cost 1 mil a piece in the name of balance. When exactly was it that infantry recommended this? I should think the stupid prices were a result of the general Uprising failures.
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 94	Posted - 2013.10.02 23:01:00 - [47] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Pot calling the kettle black? You tankers are always preaching to infantry that we should have to use superior tactics and teamwork to rid the field of a tank... yet here you are proving once again that tankers just want to solo everything, teamwork or not. Hah yeah, these tanker threads are usually full of hypocrisy. Tankers saying that infantry should need to plan ahead and work as a team to take out a tank. But they are also asking for the vehicle lock to deny anyone else into their tank! That the tanker both drives AND shoots from, switching to the top turret for those pesky reds that run up too close! Tankers saying that tanks should be the hard counter to other tanks. While still having the ability to easily murder helpless infantry, of course. Tankers complaining about infantry switching out fits at the supply depots. When it's the first thing they destroy, and then roll around the map enjoying their unlimited ammo. Tankers that complain about how expensive their tanks are compared to dropsuits. While being completely immune to 90% of all weapons in the game. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Alldin Kan TeamPlayers EoN. 642	Posted - 2013.10.02 23:06:00 - [48] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Honestly, have Tankers ever come to the conclusion that AV might be a Hard Counter specifically designed to destroy them. I focus on infantry vs infantry, and when I see a tank you know what I do? I Do a complete 180 and make sure that Tank is no where near me. My AR and I, have long ago come to the acceptance that I will never ever be able to destroy a tank. Tank play is my hard counter, and I absolutely hate it. Now why is it so hard for tankers or pilots to grasp that AV is a hard counter. The AV player specifically chose a role to counter you, making him vulnerable to people like me. Is the thought of chilling in safe area and sending slayers to mop up the AV to hard concept to handle. Good point but we all know this doesn't apply to Forge Gunners.


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