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Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:02:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356133#post1356133 Sorry but hey its kinda tough luck for you guys! Oh well, sorry no respecs ever! You should have chosen better places to dump you SP's into other than Dropships now you are stuck with millions of SP's that are going to be useless. Its a shame really! If only we had the option to respec. But hey this is New Eden right? HTFU - Adapt or Die right? Chin up boys they may, opps I mean should be returning in the near future.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4363	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:15:00 - [2] - Quote Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Vehicle_Skill_Changes.png //Vehicle Command Vehicle Command: -No Prerequisite -Multiplier 1x LAV Operation -Vehicle Command 1 needed -Multiplier 4x -Unlocks the ability to use standard LAVs of all races HAV Operation -Vehicle Command 5 needed -Multiplier 4x -Unlocks the ability to use standard HAVs of all races Dropship Operation -Vehicle Command 3 needed -Multiplier 4x -Unlocks the ability to use dropships of all races There doesn't appear to be any need to train up to a specific race anymore compared to now. This basically removes the racial variants of the skill books and condenses them into generic skill books that can be applied across the board. I get the feeling there might be some reimbursement of the SP of skill books removed coming soon. It's not a respec, but it would be better than just seeing your SP just disappear into the nether.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 145	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:16:00 - [3] - Quote this is just a 'haha in your face b!tches!' thread.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:19:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Vehicle_Skill_Changes.png //Vehicle Command Vehicle Command: -No Prerequisite -Multiplier 1x LAV Operation -Vehicle Command 1 needed -Multiplier 4x -Unlocks the ability to use standard LAVs of all races HAV Operation -Vehicle Command 5 needed -Multiplier 4x -Unlocks the ability to use standard HAVs of all races Dropship Operation -Vehicle Command 3 needed -Multiplier 4x -Unlocks the ability to use dropships of all races There doesn't appear to be any need to train up to a specific race anymore compared to now. This basically removes the racial variants of the skill books and condenses them into generic skill books that can be applied across the board. I get the feeling there might be some reimbursement of the SP of skill books removed coming soon. It's not a respec, but it would be better than just seeing your SP just disappear into the nether. Yes I agree that this will more than likely happen but it is a little more than that. CCP is taking their weapon out of the game all together.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:21:00 - [5] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: this is just a 'haha in your face b!tches!' thread. Yeah a haha in your face you respec haters! I truly do feel bad for DS pilots. Because of the few "No respecs ever tryhards" these DS pilots are now screwed.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 296	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:21:00 - [6] - Quote I've left dropships with the last respec and I have to say: Called it! I have a dropship flying alt that will keep flying. I appreciate the changes since dropships felt out of place for a long while. Especially the assault DS made no sense really.
ugg reset Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 388	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:24:00 - [7] - Quote what if I told you i couldn't give a flying shortbus f**k a bout respecs.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:30:00 - [8] - Quote ugg reset wrote: what if I told you i couldn't give a flying shortbus f*k a bout respecs. Then I would say, "Good for you!" Pats ugg on head and gives him a sugar cookie* "Now run along and go play with your friends and have a good time."
steadyhand amarr Amarr S.A.D 1458	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:32:00 - [9] - Quote Uhh ccp will most likely refund the SP as they have of doing that a respec is very diffrent
MassiveNine Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote Yes this has happened before and the SP that was used on removed skills was reimbursed.

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1941	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:10:00 - [11] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Yes this has happened before and the SP that was used on removed skills was reimbursed. And isks
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1941	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:15:00 - [12] - Quote So it looks like instead of specing racial vehicles, you spec general vehicle types but the larger SP sink will be in unlocking and upgrading the modules for that vehicle, whichever you feel is better. Shields. Armor. Active. Passive. Dps upgrades, turret types, pg, cpu reductions, etc Interesting. Well its definitly a change from the dropsuit specing style but I like change. I think this was done to solve certain ptoblems with deep vehicle tier trees and branches of racials and types being a massive wall
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2212	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:17:00 - [13] - Quote Given the drastic changes I see a full vehicle SP refund when this drops. However that introduces he possibility of a mass pilot exodus that leaves CCP with no data to iterate on, so the refund might only be partial to force people to keep driving and flying.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 744	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:28:00 - [14] - Quote Where did you read that they will not respec?
Chimichanga66605 Vader's Taco Shack 20	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:35:00 - [15] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Where did you read that they will not respec? They said the Respec for Uprising was the final "full respec." However, they left "partial respecs" open for "drastically changing the skill tree." -Chimi out, o7 Oh, and I just got my Logi DS right where I want it, good timing, huh?
Seigfried Warheit DUST University Ivy League 43	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:35:00 - [16] - Quote My flying school bus..I loved you...when they add it back Ill just spec right into it again..Im gonna miss doing 4-5 backflips in a row with the incubus lol 4 overdrives + 2 afterburners fun ftw
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 107	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:10:00 - [17] - Quote No. Just no.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3597	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:11:00 - [18] - Quote I've had 2 respecs in the past, both times I dedicated my sp to dropships, and I can honestly say that ibwoukd do that a third time if it was offered. As for removing the ADS, as long as they fix the standard dropships handling I'm not bothered, while the front turret was fun those ships were ridiculously expensive, and with the wp changes I won't need to kill people to get a decent paycheck, sides it will be fun to squish people again. I'm kinda glad they're removing the ADS, a return to my roots as a pilot in chrome would be nice.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 107	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:12:00 - [19] - Quote gbghg wrote: I've had 2 respecs in the past, both times I dedicated my sp to dropships, and I can honestly say that ibwoukd do that a third time if it was offered. As for removing the ADS, as long as they fix the standard dropships handling I'm not bothered, while the front turret was fun those ships were ridiculously expensive, and with the wp changes I won't need to kill people to get a decent paycheck, sides it will be fun to squish people again. I'm kinda glad they're removing the ADS, a return to my roots as a pilot in chrome would be nice. but but, the ADS was everything to me...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6651	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:21:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: New Grimsnes / Old Grimsnes PG 940 / 545 CPU 450 / 165 Shield 800 / 700 Armor 2100 / 1700 New Myron / Old Myron PG 725 / 400 CPU 665 / 255 Shield 1375 / 1075 Armor 850 / 770 Dropships are going to be really good, no doubt about it, though limited ammo is going to be weird, and it really sucks for Assault dropship pilots. Us logi pilots are used to having totally useless ships anyways, so turning a Grimsnes into a Prometheus is pretty damn simple. Not so for ADS pilots. Which sucks too, because my favorite dog fights are always against Assault dropships, when my gunners aren't special, anyways. New dropships are monsters. It's not so bad for the few logi pilots, but ADS pilots are getting shafted by losing their playstyle. We also do not know how the inevitable "tweaks" to dropship physics will play out, how agile they will be etc etc, as this ALWAYS changes even if CCP doesn't mention it.

Shouper of BHD Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 286	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:24:00 - [21] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356133#post1356133 Sorry but hey its kinda tough luck for you guys! Oh well, sorry no respecs ever! You should have chosen better places to dump you SP's into other than Dropships now you are stuck with millions of SP's that are going to be useless. Its a shame really! If only we had the option to respec. But hey this is New Eden right? HTFU - Adapt or Die right? Chin up boys they may, opps I mean should be returning in the near future. over 12mill SP in there, had my Cal ADS and Logi at lv3 in preparation for higher meta lvs...... I can that SP refunded right?.... right?!? well, I will take this as good news since more time to post feedback on my lesser acive schedule so lets hope its done right.....
Chimichanga66605 Vader's Taco Shack 22	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:33:00 - [22] - Quote I'm just as shocked as any other pilot. Its wearing off thanks to Fiend breaking it down, they really look strong. That said, I'm sure Dropships will probably be better than they are now. We just get plenty of time to freak out & get used to it before its implemented, instead of logging on the day 1.x releases and we're all like "CCP BROKE EM!!!!" Until we get used to it in 24 hours & a hot fix or two. Long story short: No, this merc STILL doesn't want a respec. -Chimi out, o7
Shouper of BHD Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 286	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:36:00 - [23] - Quote Chimichanga66605 wrote: I'm just as shocked as any other pilot. Its wearing off thanks to Fiend breaking it down, they really look strong. That said, I'm sure Dropships will probably be better than they are now. We just get plenty of time to freak out & get used to it before its implemented, instead of logging on the day 1.x releases and we're all like "CCP BROKE EM!!!!" Until we get used to it in 24 hours & a hot fix or two. Long story short: No, this merc STILL doesn't want a respec. -Chimi out, o7 with you there, staying true to piloting here as well.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6651	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:39:00 - [24] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: Chimichanga66605 wrote: I'm just as shocked as any other pilot. Its wearing off thanks to Fiend breaking it down, they really look strong. That said, I'm sure Dropships will probably be better than they are now. We just get plenty of time to freak out & get used to it before its implemented, instead of logging on the day 1.x releases and we're all like "CCP BROKE EM!!!!" Until we get used to it in 24 hours & a hot fix or two. Long story short: No, this merc STILL doesn't want a respec. -Chimi out, o7 with you there, staying true to piloting here as well. I just want to go back to piloting, what I initially went into before my nightmare Uprising introduction to them and respec'd. I'm tired of stuffing the ** out of every red I see while using only militia gear, it's so ***** boring. Just let me fly again, especially with stats like that. Someone took my medium modules suggestion to heart I already have a ship, but all these new mandatory skills means more grind. Just give me back my license.
Shouper of BHD Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 287	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:41:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: Chimichanga66605 wrote: I'm just as shocked as any other pilot. Its wearing off thanks to Fiend breaking it down, they really look strong. That said, I'm sure Dropships will probably be better than they are now. We just get plenty of time to freak out & get used to it before its implemented, instead of logging on the day 1.x releases and we're all like "CCP BROKE EM!!!!" Until we get used to it in 24 hours & a hot fix or two. Long story short: No, this merc STILL doesn't want a respec. -Chimi out, o7 with you there, staying true to piloting here as well. I just want to go back to piloting, what I initially went into before my nightmare introduction to them and respec'd. I'm tired of stuffing the ** out of every red I see while using only militia gear, it's so ***** boring. Just let me fly again, especially with stats like that. Someone took my medium modules suggestion to heart meduim modules, this amoungst many things fingers crossed
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 108	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:45:00 - [26] - Quote i wonder how many weeks of afking to grind sp will be required before I get my derpship back....
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6651	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:47:00 - [27] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: meduim modules, this amoungst many things fingers crossed By the looks of it we will straight up be able to use at least one heavy module, it looks like if you fenagle it right and your skills line up, you could probably fit two along with other descent stuff.
Skipper Jones KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Public Disorder. 829	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:54:00 - [28] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356133#post1356133 Sorry but hey its kinda tough luck for you guys! Oh well, sorry no respecs ever! You should have chosen better places to dump you SP's into other than Dropships now you are stuck with millions of SP's that are going to be useless. Its a shame really! If only we had the option to respec. But hey this is New Eden right? HTFU - Adapt or Die right? Chin up boys they may, opps I mean should be returning in the near future. Where is the link that says no respecs ever? Please show me.
martinofski Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 325	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:08:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: meduim modules, this amoungst many things fingers crossed By the looks of it we will straight up be able to use at least one heavy module, it looks like if you fenagle it right and your skills line up, you could probably fit two along with other descent stuff. Dropships are going to be mean. Turret fitting reqs have gone up a bit, so maybe just one heavy module. But still. Actually (lol) we should be able to forgo a turret (though lose the passenger slot...so lame), so you could certainly build a heavily armored transpo ship. Yep, I also noticed you could fit heavy module on there since the PG/CPU have been raised quite a bit. Just not sure if it would be good, since you basically have 95 PG left and 358 of CPU to fill 2 high and 2 low, + the turrets. 1 basic afterburner, scanner or ammo cache is basically all you could fit, and maybe missile turrets.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2091	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:09:00 - [30] - Quote Honestly if they actually make a Dropship a medium vehicle and give it the PG/CPU it needs to fit survival modules considering their agility was nerfed in Uprising, we might be somewhere. Back in Chromosome I used to DS Stomp with a 5200 Shielded Myron with Power Diagnostics and scattered blasters. Was fun. Now you can only do that with ADS because of agility nerf in uprising. Hopefully these changes will allow me to at least tank enough to stomp again.

Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 109	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:16:00 - [31] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Honestly if they actually make a Dropship a medium vehicle and give it the PG/CPU it needs to fit survival modules considering their agility was nerfed in Uprising, we might be somewhere. Back in Chromosome I used to DS Stomp with a 5200 Shielded Myron with Power Diagnostics and scattered blasters. Was fun. Now you can only do that with ADS because of agility nerf in uprising. Hopefully these changes will allow me to at least tank enough to stomp again. why
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 412	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:19:00 - [32] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356133#post1356133 Sorry but hey its kinda tough luck for you guys! Oh well, sorry no respecs ever! You should have chosen better places to dump you SP's into other than Dropships now you are stuck with millions of SP's that are going to be useless. Its a shame really! If only we had the option to respec. But hey this is New Eden right? HTFU - Adapt or Die right? Chin up boys they may, opps I mean should be returning in the near future. ** *** **!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4363	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:27:00 - [33] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356133#post1356133 Sorry but hey its kinda tough luck for you guys! Oh well, sorry no respecs ever! You should have chosen better places to dump you SP's into other than Dropships now you are stuck with millions of SP's that are going to be useless. Its a shame really! If only we had the option to respec. But hey this is New Eden right? HTFU - Adapt or Die right? Chin up boys they may, opps I mean should be returning in the near future. Where is the link that says no respecs ever? Please show me. People, please read the whole thread before posting. CCP said no more FULL respecs. However, they did leave the door open for any possibility of some refunds based on how much SP you had invested into a skill book that got removed.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2092	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:43:00 - [34] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Honestly if they actually make a Dropship a medium vehicle and give it the PG/CPU it needs to fit survival modules considering their agility was nerfed in Uprising, we might be somewhere. Back in Chromosome I used to DS Stomp with a 5200 Shielded Myron with Power Diagnostics and scattered blasters. Was fun. Now you can only do that with ADS because of agility nerf in uprising. Hopefully these changes will allow me to at least tank enough to stomp again. why I am not going to click that Also look at blasters. For some reason there is no ammo/damage buff with tiers. There is no reason to use blasters at all with those changes.
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 500	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:56:00 - [35] - Quote Yeah.... I will like a respec now. Most of my upgrades were towards making my ADS decent (T_T)
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:38:00 - [36] - Quote That's the way the cookie crumbles in an MMO, especially in Eve. Look at the recent changes to Leadership skills. People trained for very long periods to have a perfect booster because anything less than that wasn't really worth it. Now people can train for much shorter periods to have a not perfect, but pretty decent booster. Do you think CCP refunded the SP of the players that spent much longer for a now only tiny benefit? (They didn't.)
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2552	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:43:00 - [37] - Quote Skihids wrote: Given the drastic changes I see a full vehicle SP refund when this drops. However that introduces he possibility of a mass pilot exodus that leaves CCP with no data to iterate on, so the refund might only be partial to force people to keep driving and flying. That makes no sense, if you do a partial respec for only vehicle skills then most vehicle users will realize their previous investment in vehicles wasn't enough for all these new SP sinks, and move those points to infantry. Meanwhile, if you do a full respec those vehicle drivers can take points they spent in infantry and use them in the new vehicle SP sinks like they would of if there were there from the beginning.


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