DUST Search - swarms (surface to air missiles)

Ten-Sidhe wrote:

A number of sams can be guided on to surface targets. Rim-8 Talos, Sm-2 standard, RBS-70, Starstreak, ect..

IR seeker of javelin anti-tank missile and stinger manpad are similar enough a software change could allow them to lock on the opposite target. Not that a stinger would do much to a tank or a javelin could fly fat enough to catch a jet.

"regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you." If this statement was true we could snipe the driver of a tank since the armour won't stop the round.

The Back ground description for heavy suit says "Every vital area of the wearer is protected y 25mm composite ceramic shell or high tensile steel plates". Armour rhae(rolled homologous armour equivalent) for modern triple hardness steel is 1.8 vs conetic impact, composite ceramic systems are higher then steel in armour as well. Mild steel is tated as .8. So, the armour of a heavy suit is equal roughly to 56.25mm of mild steel or 45mm rhae. A Barrett M82 would not be able to penetrate to cause any damage at all, .50bmg rounds is rated to penetrate 19mm rhae, less then 1/2 needed and even enough to penetrate 25mm of mild steel. Since the suit also has a shields and the alloys are most likely better then current ,50cal hmg could put belts worth of ammo into a heavy's head with no affect. I would also point out this amount of armour is higher then many areas of WWII tiger tank and t-55 still in use, higher then some areas of M-1 Abrams for that matter(actual amount is classified so based on 3rd party estimates).

There is also a real life incident of a soldier in Afghanistan surviving a head injury from a 14.5mm (larger then .50cal bmg) and living. So even in real life a head shot is not always fatal, just almost always.

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Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:23:00 - [1] - Quote Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1347	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:48:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you. 1/10 ENGLISH MOTHERFRACKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT???
ebronian flacktoider Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:45:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you. 1/10 ENGLISH MOTHERFRACKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT??? Infact i am english. Are you really that retaded that you cant understand it? Or is it because your an abortion gone wrong? I asked for an explanation not an inbred hick trying to act cool.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 136	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:58:00 - [4] - Quote +1 to 2nd poster. Either you are drunk or tired, because i can't understand what you are complaining about. Did a swarm deal 150k damage to a dropsuit? Or did it attack your tank the whole match, and at the end kill you, resulting in a massive damage reading upon death? (Best record for me was 34k from a ishukone assault forge) either repost explaining with your 'proper english' or edit the original to involve common sense. Because as of right now, nobody understands you.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 526	Posted - 2013.10.02 08:43:00 - [5] - Quote A number of sams can be guided on to surface targets. Rim-8 Talos, Sm-2 standard, RBS-70, Starstreak, ect.. IR seeker of javelin anti-tank missile and stinger manpad are similar enough a software change could allow them to lock on the opposite target. Not that a stinger would do much to a tank or a javelin could fly fat enough to catch a jet. "regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you." If this statement was true we could snipe the driver of a tank since the armour won't stop the round. The Back ground description for heavy suit says "Every vital area of the wearer is protected y 25mm composite ceramic shell or high tensile steel plates". Armour rhae(rolled homologous armour equivalent) for modern triple hardness steel is 1.8 vs conetic impact, composite ceramic systems are higher then steel in armour as well. Mild steel is tated as .8. So, the armour of a heavy suit is equal roughly to 56.25mm of mild steel or 45mm rhae. A Barrett M82 would not be able to penetrate to cause any damage at all, .50bmg rounds is rated to penetrate 19mm rhae, less then 1/2 needed not even enough for thickness of mild steel. Since the suit also has a shields and the alloys are most likely better then current a modern ,50cal hmg could pit belts worth of ammo into a heavies head with no affect. I would also point out this amount of armour is higher then many areas of WWII tiger tank and t-55 still in use, higher then some areas of M-1 Abrams for that matter(actual amount is classified so based on 3rd party estimates). There is also a real life incident of a soldier in Afghanistan surviving a head injury from a 14.5mm (larger then .50cal bmg) and living. So even in real life a head shot is not always fatal, just almost always.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1349	Posted - 2013.10.02 08:59:00 - [6] - Quote ebronian flacktoider wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you. 1/10 ENGLISH MOTHERFRACKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT??? Infact i am english. Are you really that retaded that you cant understand it? Or is it because your an abortion gone wrong? I asked for an explanation not an inbred hick trying to act cool. Allow me to dissect the incoherent rant by individual subject: Where in God's name did you get the idea that the Swarm launcher was a Surface-to-Air Missile? It's a guided missile swarm. Nothing more. It shoots tanks. there are, in fact real life man-portable guided munitions intended to kill tanks. Education is your friend. 149,332 damage huh? Right, the swarm gunner packed a EVE Dreadnaught salvo into his missile launcher. it all makes sense now. And what the **** do respecs have to do with AV nades? Your inability to avoid them does not speak well of your tactical acumen Further, in the future, apparently AV nades exist. See? Just because we haven't had a real-world analog since what, world war 1 or 2? And what, are you complaining that my heavy suit can eat three thale sniper rifle shots to the head without killing me? Suck it. Hick my ass. I don't care if you ARE english, that doesn't magically gift you with Godlike communication skills. In fact it hardly guarantees that you can speak, much less write coherently. Being born in the UK does not overcome natural frailties like "stupidity." Are you perhaps the englishman Englishmen prefer to pretend doesn't exist? Rather similar to how I like to pretend the bible belt doesn't exist?
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:40:00 - [7] - Quote Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you. Read the description, it is a SWARM launcher not a SAM. It is not able to target troops like in previous iterations. It fires multiple rockets and combined with a decent set of damage enhancers they can be lethal to turrets, tanks and DS alike. Unfortunately there is no reason to be using them against infantry because that doesn't work anymore. As to your other comment, in a digital world feel free to use my imagination if yours doesn't work
Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.10.02 16:12:00 - [8] - Quote I see that the forums are full of sweaty vaginas. Nice to know. Thanks for thelp pricks
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3636	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:08:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Are you perhaps the englishman Englishmen prefer to pretend doesn't exist? Who are you talking to?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1353	Posted - 2013.10.02 20:21:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Are you perhaps the englishman Englishmen prefer to pretend doesn't exist? Who are you talking to? the ****** who's posting on two characters and calling me a hick.

zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 176	Posted - 2013.10.02 21:26:00 - [11] - Quote Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: I see that the forums are full of sweaty vaginas. Nice to know. Thanks for thelp pricks You are an absolute idiot.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 243	Posted - 2013.10.03 00:28:00 - [12] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: A number of sams can be guided on to surface targets. Rim-8 Talos, Sm-2 standard, RBS-70, Starstreak, ect.. IR seeker of javelin anti-tank missile and stinger manpad are similar enough a software change could allow them to lock on the opposite target. Not that a stinger would do much to a tank or a javelin could fly fat enough to catch a jet. "regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you." If this statement was true we could snipe the driver of a tank since the armour won't stop the round. The Back ground description for heavy suit says "Every vital area of the wearer is protected y 25mm composite ceramic shell or high tensile steel plates". Armour rhae(rolled homologous armour equivalent) for modern triple hardness steel is 1.8 vs conetic impact, composite ceramic systems are higher then steel in armour as well. Mild steel is tated as .8. So, the armour of a heavy suit is equal roughly to 56.25mm of mild steel or 45mm rhae. A Barrett M82 would not be able to penetrate to cause any damage at all, .50bmg rounds is rated to penetrate 19mm rhae, less then 1/2 needed and even enough to penetrate 25mm of mild steel. Since the suit also has a shields and the alloys are most likely better then current ,50cal hmg could put belts worth of ammo into a heavy's head with no affect. I would also point out this amount of armour is higher then many areas of WWII tiger tank and t-55 still in use, higher then some areas of M-1 Abrams for that matter(actual amount is classified so based on 3rd party estimates). There is also a real life incident of a soldier in Afghanistan surviving a head injury from a 14.5mm (larger then .50cal bmg) and living. So even in real life a head shot is not always fatal, just almost always. Yep and even with all that hi tech armor it only takes seconds for a general purpose weapon like the AR to take down a heavy.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 527	Posted - 2013.10.03 06:56:00 - [13] - Quote That is why the ar uses plasma, to go through all that armour. A modern assault rifle may out range plasma weapons but would just chip the paint of our suits. Real life research into plasma weapons was done and stopped due to the short range plasma has. CCP has done a pretty good job at making game play accurate for the background.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 527	Posted - 2013.10.03 07:52:00 - [14] - Quote Oh, guided grenades do now exist. Textron's Battle Hawk is being developed now. A 40mm grenade attached to a 5ib drone that circles for up to 30min looking for the target once launched from spring loaded tube by soldier. Swap the tv/gps sensors for the ones from the sensor fused munition cluster bomb submunitions and it would act just like the av grenades we have in game. Except it will keep circling for 30 min. trying to get a lock instead of falling to the ground. AV grenades have been used since WWI, U.S. doesn't use them anymore to my knowledge but France, Russia, and other countries do.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 355	Posted - 2013.10.03 13:22:00 - [15] - Quote Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: I see that the forums are full of sweaty vaginas. Nice to know. Thanks for thelp pricks If you put on more armor it may take 2 shots in the head for a sniper to kill you, standing in a rep hive works to combat this as does movement, running in little circles and doh-see-dohing with the red team, all of which is not necessary if you can find the sniper and take him out...and my vagina is still quite dry thank you very much.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 210	Posted - 2013.10.03 13:33:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you. 1/10 ENGLISH MOTHERFRACKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT??? Apparently your spelling just backfired.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1358	Posted - 2013.10.04 07:19:00 - [17] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Apparently your spelling just backfired. Nope. It's spelled exactly as intended.
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 185	Posted - 2013.10.04 07:42:00 - [18] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Minmatar Mercenary 07132221 wrote: Can anyone explain to me how 1 swarm from a militia swarm launcher dealt 149,332 damage without any hacking going on? Also they are surface to air missiles not surface to surface missiles. Av grenades shouldnt exist either seen as ccp wont give respecs out because of real life you cant unskill something for another skill then the same should apply for the av grenades seen as they dont exist, sam's dont shoot tanks and regaurdless of how much armor you have a sniper bullet to the head kills you. 1/10 ENGLISH MOTHERFRACKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT??? Apparently your spelling just backfired. Fracker is used as a replacement for ****** in Battlestar Galactica. He probably used it so he wouldn't get censored and yes he did spell it right.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1359	Posted - 2013.10.04 08:26:00 - [19] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Fracker is used as a replacement for ****** in Battlestar Galactica. He probably used it so he wouldn't get censored and yes he did spell it right. Apparently this guy is smarter than most of the forumgoers. +1
843 nerfnut96 BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 70	Posted - 2013.10.04 10:23:00 - [20] - Quote +1 To the 2nd and 6th posts for making me laugh out loud and saving me the time of replying on my own.



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