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Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:43:00 - [1] - Quote Why? Items purchasable by Aurum are "sidegrades" - that is, variations on the items available for ISK that do not differ significantly in power. Where is the ISK equivalent for these AUR boosters? Spin it however you want call it, pay to get ahead, pay to advance faster, blah, blah, blah! Fact of the matter is that I can not get a booster with ISK. DUST = P2Win
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 123	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote Not sure if trolling...
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3619	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote You know you can still get SP anyway, right?
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1366	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote Does SP really make you win? Pay to win would be selling Balacs for 300 aurum a piece. (YOU BETTER NOT GET IDEAS CCP!!!)
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:47:00 - [5] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Not sure if trolling... Not trolling! I have a crap ton of ISK that I would love to spend on an ISK equivalent booster.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 373	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:47:00 - [6] - Quote boosters will totally make you elite
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:48:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know you can still get SP anyway, right? Yes but I would like to spend my ISK on a passive booster so I can get it faster.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1391	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:48:00 - [8] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Why? Items purchasable by Aurum are "sidegrades" - that is, variations on the items available for ISK that do not differ significantly in power. Where is the ISK equivalent for these AUR boosters? Spin it however you want call it, pay to get ahead, pay to advance faster, blah, blah, blah! Fact of the matter is that I can not get a booster with ISK. DUST = P2Win I agree to a point. In Eve a plex is $15, it'll get your close to 500,000,000 Eve ISK Lets take the Omega Booster at $32. You can buy 2x Plexes for $30 and get around 1 billion ISK. The going rate is about 10:1 when converting Dust/Eve ISK. So you are roughly looking at 100,000,000 Dust ISK for an Omega Booster and 50,000,000 regular booster. Good luck with that
HandOGod Taints of Tartarus 212	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:49:00 - [9] - Quote The best F2P games I've seen have all made it so money saves time. I.e. You spend money to make things in game go quicker. Which boosters do, and I'm ok with that.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:51:00 - [10] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: boosters will totally make you elite Not looking to be 1337. Want to get more SP's so I can skill into more things, but since the game has become boring I wan't to do it passively. I want to buy an ISK passive booster. NO RESPECS so give me an ISK passive booster.

Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 256	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:52:00 - [11] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Why? Items purchasable by Aurum are "sidegrades" - that is, variations on the items available for ISK that do not differ significantly in power. Where is the ISK equivalent for these AUR boosters? Spin it however you want call it, pay to get ahead, pay to advance faster, blah, blah, blah! Fact of the matter is that I can not get a booster with ISK. DUST = P2Win Lol ok how they pay their staff without AUR ?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1552	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:52:00 - [12] - Quote This can all be solved by allowing them to be sold on the player market. If only they had started taking steps towards that market...
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 373	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:53:00 - [13] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: boosters will totally make you elite Not looking to be 1337. Want to get more SP's so I can skill into more things, but since the game has become boring I wan't to do it passively. I want to buy an ISK passive booster. NO RESPECS so give me an ISK passive booster. then how would CCP feed the kids (Logibro & Socksfour)
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:53:00 - [14] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Why? Items purchasable by Aurum are "sidegrades" - that is, variations on the items available for ISK that do not differ significantly in power. Where is the ISK equivalent for these AUR boosters? Spin it however you want call it, pay to get ahead, pay to advance faster, blah, blah, blah! Fact of the matter is that I can not get a booster with ISK. DUST = P2Win Lol ok how they pay their staff without AUR ? EVE pays for DUST and we all know this.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:54:00 - [15] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: boosters will totally make you elite Not looking to be 1337. Want to get more SP's so I can skill into more things, but since the game has become boring I wan't to do it passively. I want to buy an ISK passive booster. NO RESPECS so give me an ISK passive booster. then how would CCP feed the kids (Logibro & Socksfour) EVE feeds them.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 373	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:56:00 - [16] - Quote hey the option is there you can buy a booster right now and double your SP income
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 256	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:58:00 - [17] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Morathi III wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Why? Items purchasable by Aurum are "sidegrades" - that is, variations on the items available for ISK that do not differ significantly in power. Where is the ISK equivalent for these AUR boosters? Spin it however you want call it, pay to get ahead, pay to advance faster, blah, blah, blah! Fact of the matter is that I can not get a booster with ISK. DUST = P2Win Lol ok how they pay their staff without AUR ? EVE pays for DUST and we all know this. they created dust without having intention to make some more profits but just having more expense.... Seriously
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1552	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:59:00 - [18] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: EVE feeds them. ... and the trolling appears.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:59:00 - [19] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: hey the option is there you can buy a booster right now and double your SP income Yes I know I can buy an Aur item that will get me skill faster, but I don't want to do that I want to use ISK.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 315	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:02:00 - [20] - Quote hows that so everything dies in new eden..boosters aren't pay to win they are paying to get ahead. or to progress faster.

Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:02:00 - [21] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: EVE feeds them. ... and the trolling appears. So what you are telling me is that CCP based DUST's entire profit plan around boosters?
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1306	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:03:00 - [22] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: hey the option is there you can buy a booster right now and double your SP income Yes I know I can buy an Aur item that will get me skill faster, but I don't want to do that I want to use ISK. I said the same thing at the car dealership. Next time I'll take FIVE boxes worth of monopoly money.
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:03:00 - [23] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: hey the option is there you can buy a booster right now and double your SP income Yes I know I can buy an Aur item that will get me skill faster, but I don't want to do that I want to use ISK. You can have a decent character without booster, you just need to be more rigide on your SP investment and do only specialisation in one thing
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:05:00 - [24] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: hows that so everything dies in new eden..boosters aren't pay to win they are paying to get ahead. or to progress faster. Pay to get better gear that helps you faster. SP's are not Win Buttons but do you see Militia Gear in PC? Nope!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3955	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:05:00 - [25] - Quote Never seen SP in the killfeed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:06:00 - [26] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Buttercup Chipmint wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: hey the option is there you can buy a booster right now and double your SP income Yes I know I can buy an Aur item that will get me skill faster, but I don't want to do that I want to use ISK. I said the same thing at the car dealership. Next time I'll take FIVE boxes worth of monopoly money. Car dealers never claimed to be Free To Own.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1552	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:07:00 - [27] - Quote Yes, CCP used their one and only income stream to start building three more games. Each of those games will eventually need to generate more revenue than it costs them to develop and maintain. CCP profits are not very high because R&D is eating into the profits they do generate. Their income statements are posted on their corporate site for all to see. Sales of Aurum and virtual items are how CCP makes money off of DUST. Once the player market is added to DUST then all items purchased using Aurum should be able to be sold to other players for ISK. This will allow players that can't or don't want to spend real money to have access to all items, but those items will have been initially acquired by spending real money. This is the same model used by PLEX in EVE and it can totally work here. It just requires patience.
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:08:00 - [28] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: hows that so everything dies in new eden..boosters aren't pay to win they are paying to get ahead. or to progress faster. Pay to get better gear that helps you faster. SP's are not Win Buttons but do you see Militia Gear in PC? Nope! Yes you jump faster in the big league with booster, but if you like the game take your time and youll jump in anyway just need more time but cost 0$
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1544	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:11:00 - [29] - Quote Yes it is Pay to win, but as far as CCP is consent and all the Fanboys-this is our game-HTFU-kids, it is not. It is everything else except that ; - Pay to have an Advantage - Pay to get a head - Pay to keep Dust 514 alive - Pocket money for CCP employees - Pay to catch up with other players - A feature for new players - A necessary thing to reduce the SP gap - Extra revenue to maintain the servers ANYTHING else.. except what it truly is.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:12:00 - [30] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Yes, CCP used their one and only income stream to start building three more games. Each of those games will eventually need to generate more revenue than it costs them to develop and maintain. CCP profits are not very high because R&D is eating into the profits they do generate. Their income statements are posted on their corporate site for all to see. Sales of Aurum and virtual items are how CCP makes money off of DUST. Once the player market is added to DUST then all items purchased using Aurum should be able to be sold to other players for ISK. This will allow players that can't or don't want to spend real money to have access to all items, but those items will have been initially acquired by spending real money. This is the same model used by PLEX in EVE and it can totally work here. It just requires patience. But pay to advance quicker! I do not feel like waiting hence the reason I would want a booster, right?



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