Shouldn't they get a few natural repairs? cos caldari got natural recharges and i'm having to waste a slot or two for my galante scout

i see. but ur armor plates are 2 times + better than their shield extenders. :)

Eh not really, maybe bigger numbers, but my 500 armor goes down faster than my 280 shield...

Caldari and Minmatar get better base shield recharge rate, better base shield delay, and better base shield depleted recharge delay. I'm not gonna mention how assault suit bonus obviously caters to caldari.

Theres virtually no base bonus gallente and amarr get over shield types while we're punished with gimped base shield stats that we can only compensate by sacrificing a mod slot. The minmatar (although primarily a shield tanker), get 1 armor rep more than every other base dropsuit.

If you take Caldari suit and gallente suit, and hybrid tank them both, caldari will have the advantage because they have inert better shield base stats while gallente and amarr have nothing unique that benefits them as armor tankers.

Assault C-I----- / -----Gallente G-I
PG: 30-------- / --------30
CPU: 150------ / ------150
Shield: 210------ / ------120
Armor: 120------ / ------210
S. Recharge: 25 hp/s-- / --20 hp/s
S. Delay: 5s------- / -------7s
S. Dep Delay: 8s---- / ----10s
Armor Repair: 0 hp/s--- / ---0 hp/s

As you can see shield tankers get bonus for shield tanking, armor tankers dont get any bonus. If you fit a caldari suit with armor plates, it'll be no different than gallente fitting the same amount of armor plates. If you fit a gallente with shield extenders, his base stats will never match caldari's without sacrificing some slots. Even if CCP adds a measly 1-2 rep, it'll be 1-2 armor rep advantage that shields wont get, therefore that evens the playing field.

Caldari and Minmatar get better base shield recharge rate, better base shield delay, and better base shield depleted recharge delay. I'm not gonna mention how assault suit bonus obviously caters to caldari.

Theres virtually no base bonus gallente and amarr get over shield types while we're punished with gimped base shield stats that we can only compensate by sacrificing a mod slot. The minmatar (although primarily a shield tanker), get 1 armor rep more than every other base dropsuit.

If you take Caldari suit and gallente suit, and hybrid tank them both, caldari will have the advantage because they have inert better shield base stats while gallente and amarr have nothing unique that benefits them as armor tankers.

Assault C-I----- / -----Gallente G-I
PG: 30-------- / --------30
CPU: 150------ / ------150
Shield: 210------ / ------120
Armor: 120------ / ------210
S. Recharge: 25 hp/s-- / --20 hp/s
S. Delay: 5s------- / -------7s
S. Dep Delay: 8s---- / ----10s
Armor Repair: 0 hp/s--- / ---0 hp/s

As you can see shield tankers get bonus for shield tanking, armor tankers dont get any bonus. If you fit a caldari suit with armor plates, it'll be no different than gallente fitting the same amount of armor plates. If you fit a gallente with shield extenders, his base stats will never match caldari's without sacrificing some slots. Even if CCP adds a measly 1-2 rep, it'll be 1-2 armor rep advantage that shields wont get, therefore that evens the playing field.

i see. but ur armor plates are 2 times + better than their shield extenders. :)

Shouldn't they get a few natural repairs? cos caldari got natural recharges and i'm having to waste a slot or two for my galante scout

i see. but ur armor plates are 2 times + better than their shield extenders. :)

I'm using scout, so maybe ferroscale armor plates

But everything has an easier time going through armor.

i see. if we are comparing scout suits then u have 4 low while mimitar only have 3 high. allowing u to put more on. also u have a high for a damage mod or shield extender. both sut have OP shield regen either way. :D an armor scout IMO should have 2 plates and 2 reps. or even 1 plate 1 speed thingy and 2 reps. :D put shield extender on and u have a good 150ish shield buffer with a good 200-300 armor with good speed and much higher armor rep than any mimitar. :D

scrambler rifle disagrees. or laser. or plasma cannon.

blame locus nades for tht. but scrambler rifle absolutely destroy shields. flux nades destroy shield users and they can't repair while in combat. they have to be away from combat to repair. also you can use nano hives and repair tools to heal your self. shields can not.

Lol good tips but i got ADV scout right now

Plasma cannon has trouble going through anything.....

Scrambler does disagree, and at the right time, a Laser can cut through armor even faster than shields.

But everything has an easier time going through armor.

i see. it's 2 highs 2 lows right. then 2 shield extenders and 1 plate and 1 rep. u need tht proto right. if it's 3 low then 2 reps 1 plate. the idea of a scout is to get in and out and get fully reped as fast as possible so u can engage again.

Alright let's actually think about this one.

The Sniper, SMG, HMG, MD, Flaylock and Locus grenades do more damage to armour than shields. *6 total*

While the AR (by far the most common weapon) SCR (also very common), SCP, Flux grenades and probably the PC do more damage to shields. *5 total*

So, clearly not everything. And while there are more weapons that do better against armour than shields - you are much more likely to encounter someone using a weapon the does better against shields.

Disclaimer: AV weapons deliberately left out.

Alright let's actually think about this one.

The Sniper, SMG, HMG, MD, Flaylock and Locus grenades do more damage to armour than shields. *6 total*

While the AR (by far the most common weapon) SCR (also very common), SCP, Flux grenades and probably the PC do more damage to shields. *5 total*

So, clearly not everything. And while there are more weapons that do better against armour than shields - you are much more likely to encounter someone using a weapon the does better against shields.

Disclaimer: AV weapons deliberately left out.

Eh not really, maybe bigger numbers, but my 500 armor goes down faster than my 280 shield...

I can guarantee you that is not the case...... (I armor tank with 800 armor and its far more sturdy then my 500 shield minmatar).

Try running with a Logi in squad.

I sometimes say screw reps and just slap a basic plate and maybe a dampener or range amplifier instead. A little shielding up high never hurts. Build or Weapons/Equipment first, then your low slots, then grenades, then high slot. If you can, try to fit as much shielding in the high slot, even just basic or militia.

Sometimes stacking Reactive Plates works too. You get 2 hp/s armor reps just like a basic armor repper but you have more HP than a ferroscale (when just combined with an armor repper)

Some even recommend repair hives but I haven't used them on myself but they do repair like a comfortable bed to your spine.

try my proto fit

1 proto gk.0
3 complex reps
1 complex plate
the other slot is up to you

I usually run basic AR and basic SMG M1's & K2 nano
18.75 reps

your armor will regen as fast as your shield with the shield delay

I hope thats ferroscale plates, i don't wanna be an assault but good idea :)

no its a standard complex plate

157 shield 311 armor
this is a proto fit so hp is a little more efficient then speed
I also run this with shotty, scanner, and smg

you ran into me last night you got me with 2 remote explosives
and I invited you to Scouts United

Yep lol i joined and i'm skilling into range amplifiers but i don't have a good precision to scan you while you sneaked up on me behind

im not to sure if precision enhancers work to good
some of my fits have adv precision but I dont really notice a difference
but I do have my racial dampening up and the dampening skill itself

anyways I love being killed by another scout
specially since you were in a G-I with remotes
you and your corpmate did really good cant say much for the rest of your team
but thats usually how it goes

also your std fit and remotes cost me around 300k isk lol