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Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1089
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:07:00 -
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ladwar wrote:if its held in a common place with every player having their own CCP member watching them then glitching is a no no.otherwise in tourney like this its open season to cheat and glitch as hard and as best as you can.
i disagree, if the pinicle of "competitive" play not only encourages but requires glitching, then its fare game for every match type |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
926
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:11:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Hello folks, everyone frequenting the forums at the moment is aware of the current debate about glitching and the tournament results.
there's more at stake then just the tournament results, CCPs response (or silence) on the issue will determine CCPs stance on glitching and its validity in the game.
let me put this simple, in the past i created the Glitch Ninjas, a codename for a group of glitch testers who worked on replicating the invisibility glitch. those who remember the Infam0us invisible shotgunners will have an idea of what we accomplished.
So instead of debating this topic like its about the results of the tournament i suggest you debate weather or nto you want every single game you enter to be glitch heaven.
IF CCP validates the tournament glitching or stays silent on the subject i will create the Glitch Ninjas once more with the objective of finding and abusing as many glitches as possible and spreading the information.
because of CCPs release schedule limitations most glitches have a two month shelf life minimum from introduction to full fix (baed on the source of the glitch and sony QA, assuming a 1 month release schedule)
that means that if successful glitch ninjas will spread glitches into the general population enough that you wont be able to enter a game without glitches being rampant. and those glitches will be valid for a 2 month timespan.
so the true debate should be about weather or not you want this scenario to play out. because if CCP stays silent glitching will be common practice, and it may kill the game as wel know it.
Decide, do you want the game to be full of glitches, macros, and the like?
Gliches currently replicatable
walking through walls. floating in certain areas visual limited invisability the old invisability still exsists in a limited form rapid fire mass driver 4x rate of fire glitch rapid fire forge gun railgun overhead bypass large turret ROF glitch melee glitch mobile personal drop uplink (alows an active drop uplink to be stuck to infantry alowing any infantry to act as a spawn point. experiments pending on other equipment (think rep hive.... try killing a guy with a rep hive stuck to his face...)
Yo dude how much are you willing to sell this information for. |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:13:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:
Yo dude how much are you willing to sell this information for.
some of it is somewhat lackluster, i havnt been activly testing for a little while, if your interested in advancing this project though please assist in the donation of manpower, the testing goes by alot quicker the more people i have testing the same glitch.
just so you know though, i will only do it if CCP stays silent on glitching, thereby making it valid as a form of play.
ill give them till 1.5 hits... then its fair game.
send me mail in game and ill see what i can do |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:13:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:and to counter are you now insinuating that someones ability in spelling and grammar is the measurement of their intelligence?
I'm going to butt in as a random third party and answer that question to the best of my ability.
It will depend on whether or not the language you are writing in is your primary language. For example: If you're primary language is English but you write wordz witth obveous misplelings lik dis and with wrong grammar incorrect written in that same language (see what I did there?), people will assume you are an elementary level kid. However, if your primary language is (let's say...) Spanish and you write with the same misspellings in English, then people might forgive you because it's obvious that not everyone in the world is fluent in English. Hell, I'm not really fluent in Spanish very much.
However, considering that a disability is involved, this probably makes the above point moot because dyslexia can cause people to write words incorrectly despite the fact that the language they're writing in is their primary language. Now that I think about it, I'm now wondering if this discussion about spelling and grammar has been rather pointless given the very nature of an international forum. |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:15:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:and to counter are you now insinuating that someones ability in spelling and grammar is the measurement of their intelligence? I'm going to butt in as a random third party and answer that question to the best of my ability. It will depend on whether or not the language you are writing in is your primary language. For example: If you're primary language is English but you write wordz witth obveous misplelings lik dis and with wrong grammar incorrect written in that same language (see what I did there?), people will assume you are an elementary level kid. However, if your primary language is (let's say...) Spanish and you write with the same misspellings in English, then people might forgive you because it's obvious that not everyone in the world is fluent in English. Hell, I'm not really fluent in Spanish very much. However, considering that a disability is involved, this probably makes the above point moot because dyslexia can cause people to write words incorrectly despite the fact that the language they're writing in is their primary language. Now that I think about it, I'm now wondering if this discussion about spelling and grammar has been rather pointless given the very nature of an international forum.
it was a troll... i shouldnt of fed it in the firstplace :P |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:17:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:and to counter are you now insinuating that someones ability in spelling and grammar is the measurement of their intelligence? I'm going to butt in as a random third party and answer that question to the best of my ability. It will depend on whether or not the language you are writing in is your primary language. For example: If you're primary language is English but you write wordz witth obveous misplelings lik dis and with wrong grammar incorrect written in that same language (see what I did there?), people will assume you are an elementary level kid. However, if your primary language is (let's say...) Spanish and you write with the same misspellings in English, then people might forgive you because it's obvious that not everyone in the world is fluent in English. Hell, I'm not really fluent in Spanish very much. However, considering that a disability is involved, this probably makes the above point moot because dyslexia can cause people to write words incorrectly despite the fact that the language they're writing in is their primary language. Now that I think about it, I'm now wondering if this discussion about spelling and grammar has been rather pointless given the very nature of an international forum. it was a troll... i shouldnt of fed it in the firstplace :P
In that case, is there a bridge big enough to house said troll? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1614
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:18:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:To all who support the tournament glitching, you now support the glitch ninjas, you cannot support one
Spoken like a true propagandist. |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:19:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:and to counter are you now insinuating that someones ability in spelling and grammar is the measurement of their intelligence? I'm going to butt in as a random third party and answer that question to the best of my ability. It will depend on whether or not the language you are writing in is your primary language. For example: If you're primary language is English but you write wordz witth obveous misplelings lik dis and with wrong grammar incorrect written in that same language (see what I did there?), people will assume you are an elementary level kid. However, if your primary language is (let's say...) Spanish and you write with the same misspellings in English, then people might forgive you because it's obvious that not everyone in the world is fluent in English. Hell, I'm not really fluent in Spanish very much. However, considering that a disability is involved, this probably makes the above point moot because dyslexia can cause people to write words incorrectly despite the fact that the language they're writing in is their primary language. Now that I think about it, I'm now wondering if this discussion about spelling and grammar has been rather pointless given the very nature of an international forum. it was a troll... i shouldnt of fed it in the firstplace :P In that case, is there a bridge big enough to house said troll?
it seems he has eaten his fill and has wandered back to it to slumber :P perhaps we should follow and find out? |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
927
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:19:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Yo dude how much are you willing to sell this information for.
some of it is somewhat lackluster, i havnt been activly testing for a little while, if your interested in advancing this project though please assist in the donation of manpower, the testing goes by alot quicker the more people i have testing the same glitch. just so you know though, i will only do it if CCP stays silent on glitching, thereby making it valid as a form of play. ill give them till 1.5 hits... then its fair game. send me mail in game and ill see what i can do
Ok I will raise up manpower and ISK funding...
We call this the weapon research program for competitive play |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1506
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:19:00 -
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Ah, I see the CCP blackmail crew has gotten their own thread together.
This should be good for some yucks. |
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Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:21:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Ah, I see the CCP blackmail crew has gotten their own thread together.
This should be good for some yucks.
but its blackmail for good!
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Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
320
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:21:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:
So now I can easily assume you are full of ****, thanks for clarifying that for me.
And yes, being able to spell and form sentences is a form of intelligence. It's a small measurement, true, but a measurement non the less.
One would be hard pressed to accumulate intelligence without the largest source of knowledge in the world :
The written word.
*sigh* this isnt the point of the thread. im not entertaining the troll anymore :P
What the hell IS the point of your thread?
You made a statement and gave an ultimatum.
You want a discussion in this thread? But you've said nothing to discuss. You said "if CCP decides the tournament stands as is with the glitches, or if CCP stays silent on the matter, you will reform your Power Rangers brigade and attempt to destroy the game through glitches.
Where's your option of discussion? You asking at the end your post, whether or not we want something that's out of our hands to happen? Or did you simply create this post with the sole purpose of giving yourself attention?
Pray tell me, what is it you want to discuss?
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Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:22:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Yo dude how much are you willing to sell this information for.
some of it is somewhat lackluster, i havnt been activly testing for a little while, if your interested in advancing this project though please assist in the donation of manpower, the testing goes by alot quicker the more people i have testing the same glitch. just so you know though, i will only do it if CCP stays silent on glitching, thereby making it valid as a form of play. ill give them till 1.5 hits... then its fair game. send me mail in game and ill see what i can do Ok I will raise up manpower and ISK funding... We call this the weapon research program for competitive play
i only care about the manpower.
use to isk to pay people for information on potential glitches, pay them if it results in something useable :P |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1506
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:26:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:but its blackmail for good!
I see you are an "the ends justify the means" type. No quantity of innocent bystanders hurt for the cause will drag you away from whatever ends you are looking for.
Wasn't somebody talking about sociopaths in another thread? |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:27:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:but its blackmail for good! I see you are an "the ends justify the means" type. No quantity of innocent bystanders hurt for the cause will drag you away from whatever ends you are looking for. Wasn't somebody talking about sociopaths in another thread?
its only a problem if CCP condones glitching.
and if they condone glitching then its no longer blackmail its intended gameplay :P
and if CCP doesnt condone glitching then it never comes to pass... and then its blackmail for the cause of good |
Starfire Revo
G I A N T EoN.
130
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:29:00 -
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Chances, I've done some exploit research over the past few months and would be interested in helping test things out if you're looking for manpower. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1506
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:30:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:its only a problem if CCP condones glitching.
and if they condone glitching then its no longer blackmail its intended gameplay :P
and if CCP doesnt condone glitching then it never comes to pass... and then its blackmail for the cause of good
LOL. Nice pile or garbage you have going there.
How do you define "condones glitching" anyway? Is this defined as not knuckling under with respect to overturning a recent tournament based on what appears to be late/sketchy evidence?
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Roner General
Ancient Exiles
19
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:31:00 -
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Exploiting glitches has always been part of video games. why is Dust so different from these other games?? I'l keep finding these glitches and exploit them for my advantage on the battlefield and you can't stop me |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1512
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:31:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:King Kobrah wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I highly doubt any of these exist. If so yeah do it man. CCP needs to know.
Also attack us on pc doing these stuff. I want us to get as much info about it as possible so we can counter it. We counter aris melee extremely well. It's laughably easy lol. "we glitch so much we know how to counter it" congratulations, how does that change the fact you glitch in official games? LMFAO It doesn't make sense right? If I was getting glitched on multiple times, you'd think I have an effective counter. However it's the opposite lol I don't get glitched on but I'm smart enough to know exactly how to counter it. Mr marauder is correct, one does not have to use a glitch to understand and counter it. most of my glitch knowledge comes from watching people use glitches on me rahter then using them myself. its replication experaments that require you use the glitch. mr marauder... care to tell me how you would counter a guy with an alotec nanohive stuck to his face constantly repping him 50 health a tic? i means sure, the answer is more bullets... but thats not the point, it gives an advantage you cant counter. To counter someone reping at 50 a tick, you would have to use high alpha dmg weapons or explosive weapons. Sort of like how you would counter melee glitch. Aswell as using flux nades or reg nades to blow up the Nanohive on the face.
Edit: not to mention you would have to be armor tanking for it to be useful,meaning the best counter is ANY explosive weapon. |
J Lav
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
225
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:34:00 -
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Goodness, he asks a question of the community in the original post:
Chances Ghost wrote: so the true debate should be about weather or not you want this scenario to play out. because if CCP stays silent glitching will be common practice, and it may kill the game as wel know it.
Decide, do you want the game to be full of glitches, macros, and the like?
He's asking if people in the community and CCP want glitches to be part of the competitive game. A valid question, since some games are made with deliberate rewards for techniques that some would call a glitch.
As for grammatical knowledge and spelling, there is a whole exhibit at the Ontario Science centre about how this is NOT a measurement of intelligence, but historically such measurements have been used to put people down and bully people groups, and are reflective of philosophical bias. Having worked with people with disabilities, there's good reason for them to keep diagnosis private, especially in light of people's antagonistic approach on these forums.
As for me, I am opposed to using glitches that harm the designers' intent, but CCP have not expressed their intent on this particular issue. |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1506
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:40:00 -
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If we are pretending to take the original post seriously... I had thought the concept was that CCP has the option of retroactively doing something about a major issue that people should have known to be a serious issue, which would instill caution in the community, or to declare a glitch an exploit if they felt it was impacting the game.
EDIT: They have been reasonably laissez faire about things most of the time though. |
Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles
415
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:42:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:King Kobrah wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I highly doubt any of these exist. If so yeah do it man. CCP needs to know.
Also attack us on pc doing these stuff. I want us to get as much info about it as possible so we can counter it. We counter aris melee extremely well. It's laughably easy lol. "we glitch so much we know how to counter it" congratulations, how does that change the fact you glitch in official games? LMFAO It doesn't make sense right? If I was getting glitched on multiple times, you'd think I have an effective counter. However it's the opposite lol I don't get glitched on but I'm smart enough to know exactly how to counter it. its not that hard to fight him if you are not a complete idiot. http://gyazo.com/f485f18207b810d31d7b457ee43334a2
and regnum why are you asking for glitches that are 100 times worse?
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Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:44:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:King Kobrah wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I highly doubt any of these exist. If so yeah do it man. CCP needs to know.
Also attack us on pc doing these stuff. I want us to get as much info about it as possible so we can counter it. We counter aris melee extremely well. It's laughably easy lol. "we glitch so much we know how to counter it" congratulations, how does that change the fact you glitch in official games? LMFAO It doesn't make sense right? If I was getting glitched on multiple times, you'd think I have an effective counter. However it's the opposite lol I don't get glitched on but I'm smart enough to know exactly how to counter it. its not that hard to fight him if you are not a complete idiot. http://gyazo.com/f485f18207b810d31d7b457ee43334a2and regnum why are you asking for glitches that are 100 times worse? becuase if glitching is concidered to be OK to do in tournaments, then you would HAVE to load up an arsenal of glitches to be competitive |
Buttercup Chipmint
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:48:00 -
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This thread is everything that is wrong with DUST wrapped up in a pink bow. DUST is just a LOL lobby shooter and always will be one.
It is an EVE expansion gone wrong.
Release the glitches and exploits so CCP can get hard at work at fixing them some time within the next ten years. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
793
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:52:00 -
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Railgun overhead bypass? Thats a glitch?
However thanks for the list of current bugs, can I have some more info to file bug reports? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1513
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:54:00 -
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I answered your question ghost. There's always a counter. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
799
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:59:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Hello folks, everyone frequenting the forums at the moment is aware of the current debate about glitching and the tournament results.
there's more at stake then just the tournament results, CCPs response (or silence) on the issue will determine CCPs stance on glitching and its validity in the game.
let me put this simple, in the past i created the Glitch Ninjas, a codename for a group of glitch testers who worked on replicating the invisibility glitch. those who remember the Infam0us invisible shotgunners will have an idea of what we accomplished.
So instead of debating this topic like its about the results of the tournament i suggest you debate weather or nto you want every single game you enter to be glitch heaven.
IF CCP validates the tournament glitching or stays silent on the subject i will create the Glitch Ninjas once more with the objective of finding and abusing as many glitches as possible and spreading the information.
because of CCPs release schedule limitations most glitches have a two month shelf life minimum from introduction to full fix (baed on the source of the glitch and sony QA, assuming a 1 month release schedule)
that means that if successful glitch ninjas will spread glitches into the general population enough that you wont be able to enter a game without glitches being rampant. and those glitches will be valid for a 2 month timespan.
so the true debate should be about weather or not you want this scenario to play out. because if CCP stays silent glitching will be common practice, and it may kill the game as wel know it.
Decide, do you want the game to be full of glitches, macros, and the like?
Gliches currently replicatable
walking through walls. floating in certain areas visual limited invisability the old invisability still exsists in a limited form rapid fire mass driver 4x rate of fire glitch rapid fire forge gun railgun overhead bypass large turret ROF glitch melee glitch mobile personal drop uplink (alows an active drop uplink to be stuck to infantry alowing any infantry to act as a spawn point. experiments pending on other equipment (think rep hive.... try killing a guy with a rep hive stuck to his face...)
If CCP goes the any glitch is fine route? Then:
LOWER Dust 514 player counts will make a statement far stronger than any forum thread??
Hmmm decides to play Fallout New Vegas.
In October 4th decides to play BF4 Open Beta.
November its Destiny, Watchdogs and the new hotness the PS4.
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Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
1093
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:00:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I answered your question ghost. There's always a counter.
true there is.
that doesnt mean it doesnt give them an advantage :P |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9082
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:05:00 -
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Glitching is normally fine if provided you never sold the information and gave it all directly to CCP on how to exactly reproduce the step and didn't specifically use it to meta the game up then refrained from using it ever again. AKA bug hunting.
The problem with making a squad that only glitches with meta is that people are very smart. Smarter than you. They too will figure it out and share it with their peers. Also you wont be the first or last guys to be doing this I mean who here remembers the warriors? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1514
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:07:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I answered your question ghost. There's always a counter. true there is. that doesnt mean it doesnt give them an advantage :P True. However I find it silly when they complain about ari and his melee glitch... We fought ari and hard countered him. Just don't understand how they couldn't... Smh |
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