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Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 233	Posted - 2013.09.30 13:59:00 - [1] - Quote A proto scout with profile dampening to Lvl 5 doesn't need any modules to dodge advanced scanners (by far the most common) and only one basic dampener to dodge the 28 dB proto scanners. Do you really think it's absolutely necessary for a proto scout to be able to dodge the Duvolle Focused scanner (15dB)? Consider it's limitations: 5 second scan time, 5 second illumination time, so you're at most illuminated for 10 seconds. The shortest time between consecutive scans with this particular scanner is 33 seconds. Therefore assuming you are being constantly scanned by someone with this scanner, you are still off their radar for at minimum 70% of game time. How likely is it that multiple people in the same squad, and moreover, multiple squads on the same team, will be running this proto scanner, which is not only ISK expensive, but also has one of the highest PG usages of any item in the game? You're blowing things out of proportion. Scouts still do fine given current scan tendencies. In my experience 95% of the scanning folk out there use advanced. On only very few occasions have I had to use two dampeners to dodge the 28dB scanners (I'm a logi), and I believe only once has anyone used the Duvolle Focused to defeat even that suit. If you think it's absolutely necessary to dodge one of the most seldom used scanners in the game, then yes, you need to sacrifice three lows to do it.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 233	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:18:00 - [2] - Quote Chilled Pill wrote: And just how much SP do you need to invest in a Proto Scanner to completely negate SP investment into a Proto Scout, with Dampening 5? I didn't realize scouts dropped dead when they get scanned with a proto scanner. I guess I should use the proto more often then.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 234	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:19:00 - [3] - Quote Protected Void wrote: Of course it's not necessary. Nothing is necessary. However, it's preposterous that the top scanner is that cheap compared to it's counter. The counter takes 3 times as much SP, and three times the slots, on an already slot- and CPU-starved suit. BTW, the Minmatar scout, which is supposed to be a sneaky assassin, infiltrating enemy territory and killing up close, can't counter the 15dB scanner, no matter how hard it tries. Are you a scout? Do you have dampeners to Lvl 5? How many times have you been scanned with the Duvolle Focused scanner? How many deaths can you lay at the feet of this particular scanner - deaths that were directly the result of being scanned first by this scanner? Your argument is academic at best if it's not based on actual experiences, and from my actual experience, nearly no one uses the 15dB scanner. You know why? Because having intel that is 95% accurate for 100% of the match (quantum scanners) is far better than having intel that is 99% accurate for 30% of the match. When WP are awarded for scanners, this will ring even more true - more paint time = more WP. As to your point about the skill requirements for scanners and scout suits/dampening, get real. I run a shield tanking suit, and I've put a lot of SP into it. That doesn't mean some noob with a flux grenade and a militia AR can't kill me if he gets the jump on me. Likewise pretty much any suit, no matter how beefed up, will die to a basic RE or to a militia forge gun. By your logic, only players who have put equitable SP into their suits should be able to defeat my suit. That's obviously not the case with anything in Dust. And oh, scouts don't drop dead when they're scanned by a proto scanner? Then it's a bit dramatic to say that all your SP investment in your suit is negated by the proto scanner then, isn't it? You can still shoot your gun and run around and flank, right? Or do all those scouty things go away when you get scanned?
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 234	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:44:00 - [4] - Quote If you really think that the passive scout ability is useless, then I urge you to try this. Take your advanced scout suit (I assume it has no dampeners) and put the same modules/equipment on an advanced light frame suit, so it does not benefit from your dampening bonuses. Play with it and tell us if you do better, worse, or the same as with your advanced scout. If you didn't know, a scout with Lvl 5 in the skill will dodge the advanced scanners without the use of modules, while the light frame won't.

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