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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

The industry siphoning is sorta cool.

The S.O.E. ships that are probably useless will look cool when docked.

And the alteration of existing numbers on existing ships can potentially be fun...ish.

I don't think this really makes an expansion though. I don't think CCP knows what an expansion actually is. I think it's just become another buzzword around the office they use.

Expansions to games do not possess such an incredibly small amount of content. Apocrypha? That was an expansion. Trinity was a sight to behold.

This stuff? Not an expansion. Just a patch with a few cool things that most people will never use.

You forgot the new deployable structures, the tearing down of hisec NPC customs offices, reworked certification system (new player experience), and the allusion to the buffing of small gang warfare tactics, in addition to the other things they have yet to tell us about ("more to be revealed in the coming weeks").

The main point I intended to bring up with this post is that CCP Eve has released a list of new content and changes to the public months before any of it is actually being implemented. Eve is getting new toys to play with and new mechanics to abuse, while we're sitting here not knowing what's in store for early October (save the ever-popular squad finder). There's not even a hint at what our winter expansion (provided we actually get one and it's not another point release bug fix) will bring to Dust, while Eve is attempting to hype up its playerbase for new content months down the road.

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TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3843	Posted - 2013.09.26 20:49:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon So... Eve Online has announced their winter expansion for November 19th, and on that page is an impressive list of new features, new content, and a future vision for Eve. Are we going to get a similar announcement, or are we just going to get another point release bug fix?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2307	Posted - 2013.09.26 20:59:00 - [2] - Quote Nope CCP hates us..... not really EVE is just more important to them as of now, the best we can hope for is a November build that will add content.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 486	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:04:00 - [3] - Quote Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3845	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:09:00 - [4] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. I'm not looking for the content being introduced in Eve to copy over to Dust, I'm just wondering if we're going to be getting a winter expansion announcement sometime soon.
Cosgar ParagonX 5496	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:10:00 - [5] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. At the very least we should be able to mine out districts for resources EVE pilots can only get frum us.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2307	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:13:00 - [6] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. I'm not looking for the content being introduced in Eve to copy over to Dust, I'm just wondering if we're going to be getting a winter expansion announcement sometime soon. We are supposed to be getting a winter expansion... supposedly
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3845	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:13:00 - [7] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. At the very least we should be able to mine out districts for resources EVE pilots can only get frum us. See, that would bring Eve and Dust closer together, and we can't have that.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3845	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:14:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. I'm not looking for the content being introduced in Eve to copy over to Dust, I'm just wondering if we're going to be getting a winter expansion announcement sometime soon. We are supposed to be getting a winter expansion... supposedly I'm keeping my expectations low and waiting for a point release bug fix patch, so if it does turn out that we're getting new content, I'll seem happier by comparison.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1468	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:17:00 - [9] - Quote Where's my space house? Do I have to have my space cousin drop one for me?
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote I don't think dust is going to get an expansion this winter considering that CCP is focusing on the core elements and by the release dates of 1.5-1.8(late in the month or early in the following month) . It seems likely it will release sometime next year.

Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 486	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:30:00 - [11] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. I'm not looking for the content being introduced in Eve to copy over to Dust, I'm just wondering if we're going to be getting a winter expansion announcement sometime soon. Im not talking about having the same content so much as a share in the vision. An idea of what PC is actually building towards in that a corporation builds something other than an ISK stockpile. Mercs use ISK to buy suits to play the game. More ISK, more of a buffer to run expensive fits when you need to. Thats where the need for ISK stops.... Corps use ISK to buy clone packs to play in PC. More ISK, more clone packs. Thats where the need for ISK stops.... Once you hit the point where you are just stockpiling it becomes a grind. Its just my belief that it is at this point that boredom begins to set in. By adding on 'next steps' to this through expansion, it gives people a new reason to play. That is my point of building something.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1403	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:30:00 - [12] - Quote ok now EVE has my attention with player owned industry stuff... can't wait for my new PC and to start selling ships again :D mostl ikely start over though need to relearn how to play
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2308	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:32:00 - [13] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: ok now EVE has my attention with player owned industry stuff... can't wait for my new PC and to start selling ships again :D mostl ikely start over though need to relearn how to play Simply spend a couple of days re skilling into Mining, then working on indy from their, you could always buy an Indy toon, or if you know an Indy guy like I do.... beg him to go into business with you.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 486	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:32:00 - [14] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: I don't think dust is going to get an expansion this winter considering that CCP is focusing on the core elements and by the release dates of 1.5-1.8(late in the month or early in the following month) . It seems likely it will release sometime next year. Im guessing 2.0 will be the next expansion and it will come sometime around the next Fanfest. 1.6 November 1.7 December 1.8 January 1.9 February Then the announcement of 2.0 sometime in March and that it is scheduled for May followed by all the build up and teasers associated with it.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3852	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:15:00 - [15] - Quote Can't say I'm holding my breath for a blue post, but I'm kinda surprised that this fell into the abyss that is page 2 so quickly.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1618	Posted - 2013.09.27 00:19:00 - [16] - Quote The industry siphoning is sorta cool. The S.O.E. ships that are probably useless will look cool when docked. And the alteration of existing numbers on existing ships can potentially be fun...ish. I don't think this really makes an expansion though. I don't think CCP knows what an expansion actually is. I think it's just become another buzzword around the office they use. Expansions to games do not possess such an incredibly small amount of content. Apocrypha? That was an expansion. Trinity was a sight to behold. This stuff? Not an expansion. Just a patch with a few cool things that most people will never use. The sad thing is, I think they know this isn't an expansion. They basically copypasta'd Seagulls fanfest speech and stuck it on the front page of Rubicon, even though it had nothing to do with any of the features listed. They needed to give the idea of an expansion with substance, even though there isn't any. This makes me sad, because its happened too many times now. Always big on the promises and low on the content. Always talking about the horizon and never really moving towards it in any meaningful manner. Meh. These are all good things and I don't want to berate the people working on them, but... why so little, every time? I have to wonder just how thin the staff is spread these days.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3864	Posted - 2013.09.27 00:31:00 - [17] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The industry siphoning is sorta cool. The S.O.E. ships that are probably useless will look cool when docked. And the alteration of existing numbers on existing ships can potentially be fun...ish. I don't think this really makes an expansion though. I don't think CCP knows what an expansion actually is. I think it's just become another buzzword around the office they use. Expansions to games do not possess such an incredibly small amount of content. Apocrypha? That was an expansion. Trinity was a sight to behold. This stuff? Not an expansion. Just a patch with a few cool things that most people will never use. You forgot the new deployable structures, the tearing down of hisec NPC customs offices, reworked certification system (new player experience), and the allusion to the buffing of small gang warfare tactics, in addition to the other things they have yet to tell us about ("more to be revealed in the coming weeks"). The main point I intended to bring up with this post is that CCP Eve has released a list of new content and changes to the public months before any of it is actually being implemented. Eve is getting new toys to play with and new mechanics to abuse, while we're sitting here not knowing what's in store for early October (save the ever-popular squad finder). There's not even a hint at what our winter expansion (provided we actually get one and it's not another point release bug fix) will bring to Dust, while Eve is attempting to hype up its playerbase for new content months down the road.
demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z Covert Intervention 228	Posted - 2013.09.27 00:32:00 - [18] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. I'm not looking for the content being introduced in Eve to copy over to Dust, I'm just wondering if we're going to be getting a winter expansion announcement sometime soon. MORE snow maps where you cant see ****! :D No give us jungle and swarm maps ;)
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1059	Posted - 2013.09.27 00:41:00 - [19] - Quote It would be very cool to have something to look forward to. Not counting on an expansion until mid next year.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 411	Posted - 2013.09.27 05:42:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: It would be very cool to have something to look forward to. Not counting on an expansion until mid next year. Just in time for Destiny. A winning strategy there.

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2260	Posted - 2013.09.27 06:23:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Sounds pretty cool and would love to 'build' something in Dust but I think that is a long long way away. I'm not looking for the content being introduced in Eve to copy over to Dust, I'm just wondering if we're going to be getting a winter expansion announcement sometime soon. We are supposed to be getting a winter expansion... supposedly We have up to Uprising 1.8 confirmed to exist, so Uprising 1.5 in October Uprising 1.6 in November Uprising 1.7 in December Uprising 1.8 in January Looks like we are in Uprising for quite awhile longer, signs of a Dust Winter expansion look slim. Canari Elphus wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: I don't think dust is going to get an expansion this winter considering that CCP is focusing on the core elements and by the release dates of 1.5-1.8(late in the month or early in the following month) . It seems likely it will release sometime next year. Im guessing 2.0 will be the next expansion and it will come sometime around the next Fanfest. 1.6 November 1.7 December 1.8 January 1.9 February Then the announcement of 2.0 sometime in March and that it is scheduled for May followed by all the build up and teasers associated with it. I highly doubt there will be an Uprising 2.0. If we get to an Uprising 1.9 and they need to release another, it would be Uprising 1.10. Makes no sense for them to title an update Uprising 2.0, might as well make that an entirely new named expansion.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 514	Posted - 2013.09.27 07:31:00 - [22] - Quote You are aware of the fact that DUST team is like 1/3 smaller than EVE team?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8967	Posted - 2013.09.27 07:44:00 - [23] - Quote Maybe, CPM is in discussion about 'the future' and trying to get some meetings with folks.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1408	Posted - 2013.09.27 09:54:00 - [24] - Quote So the old roadmap is just a pile of ish then iron lol
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 483	Posted - 2013.09.27 09:56:00 - [25] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon So... Eve Online has announced their winter expansion for November 19th, and on that page is an impressive list of new features, new content, and a future vision for Eve. Are we going to get a similar announcement, or are we just going to get another point release bug fix? Don't be so negative, you will get a squad finder! PS: EVE get some new Ships, new high-level balance for old ships, new structures ...
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1626	Posted - 2013.09.27 09:56:00 - [26] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The industry siphoning is sorta cool. The S.O.E. ships that are probably useless will look cool when docked. And the alteration of existing numbers on existing ships can potentially be fun...ish. I don't think this really makes an expansion though. I don't think CCP knows what an expansion actually is. I think it's just become another buzzword around the office they use. Expansions to games do not possess such an incredibly small amount of content. Apocrypha? That was an expansion. Trinity was a sight to behold. This stuff? Not an expansion. Just a patch with a few cool things that most people will never use. You forgot the new deployable structures, the tearing down of hisec NPC customs offices, reworked certification system (new player experience), and the allusion to the buffing of small gang warfare tactics, in addition to the other things they have yet to tell us about ("more to be revealed in the coming weeks"). The main point I intended to bring up with this post is that CCP Eve has released a list of new content and changes to the public months before any of it is actually being implemented. Eve is getting new toys to play with and new mechanics to abuse, while we're sitting here not knowing what's in store for early October (save the ever-popular squad finder). There's not even a hint at what our winter expansion (provided we actually get one and it's not another point release bug fix) will bring to Dust, while Eve is attempting to hype up its playerbase for new content months down the road. The new deployable structures are indeed new content, as are the SOE ships. but that's seems to be all the new content. Doesn't really feel like an expansion, it feels like a small update. Everything else thats changing is an alteration of existing content and mechanics, not direct expansion. The old CCP defense is "it's a sandbox, players create most of the content." but I don't buy that line at all. Players alter the experience, but the content is very much all on CCP.
Jerry Jemmott Carbon 7 CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.09.27 11:52:00 - [27] - Quote Anerriphtho kybos ...
R F Gyro Clones 4u 552	Posted - 2013.09.27 13:02:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: We have up to Uprising 1.8 confirmed to exist Do you have a link?
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1255	Posted - 2013.09.27 13:08:00 - [29] - Quote CCP modified their dev schedule after Uprising in order to address many issues with the release as well as cater to FPS "ADD"; implied is an acknowledgement that there isn't enough in the game / too much wrong with the game to ask players to wait 6 months for major changes. We get point releases every month instead of semi-annually.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1255	Posted - 2013.09.27 13:18:00 - [30] - Quote meri jin wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon So... Eve Online has announced their winter expansion for November 19th, and on that page is an impressive list of new features, new content, and a future vision for Eve. Are we going to get a similar announcement, or are we just going to get another point release bug fix? Don't be so negative, you will get a squad finder! PS: EVE get some new Ships, new high-level balance for old ships, new structures ... Squad finder is actually going to be really awesome for the game. Granted it is not amazing new content and arguably is something pretty basic that some people will say "shoulda been in by beta" , it greatly increases functionality. - Facilitation of nearly instantaneous connection between recruiter and potential corp recruit is going to really help newer corps and players. Places like Dust Uni are going to be able to advertise their services and grab new players who might otherwise be lost. - It also enables nearly instantaneous 'Need Ringers!' calls that can be answered by the entire community and smooths out the process of fielding a full team for PC adventures as long as the corps using the feature are ok being casual about it. - Enables the RP niche / enables speedy formation of squads with common FW interests - Enables niche squad types "Assault dropships only squad!!!!" or "LLAV seeks tank to rep!!" that can lead to new tactical gameplay and replace several public channels that new players don't know about.



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