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Posted - 2013.09.25 01:30:00 -
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Synbot wrote:Yup. Another AR balancing post. This is my view on how we can balance it. I've been an AR user since I've first started playing in January. From my experience as an AR user, I put together a document that would make this weapon more of a 'jack-of-all-trades' weapon. I'm not necessarily proposing to nerf or buff it. Simply balancing it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UDin3aJhrQ2dg_oTzbMfoDlQ9H542of48Twk-NG_9Xw/edit?usp=sharingDo note, I've not done any variants or tiers of this weapon. Just the plain Assault Rifle. I'll do tiers and variants later. I hope you enjoy! Feedback is always welcomed.
I'll give you a +1 because that was very elaborate work.
But i disagree.I think ARs are powerful,but as they are i think they are good.
An above avarege player like myself can do in any AR user with my niche weapon the Scrambler rifle.(Other playerswith TAC ars,ASCR,SMG's,Mass drivers,etc...)
They are just the most overall effective weapon,but its not OP.There by they dont need a ''balance''.
Hear me now people.The AR playerbase is around 55%-60% Of all dust 514
If you ''balance'' (NERF) the AR, you will have at LEAST 50% of our miserable 2000 playerbase complaining/leaving just because some niche weapon users felt they were getting overrun by ARs.
I prefer dealing with ARs as they are than loosing yet another 400-800 players due to AR nerf. |
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Posted - 2013.09.25 01:56:00 -
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I was just talking with 4 of my friends about your post.
They all use Duvolles ARs.
They say they wouldnt mind a CLIP REDUCTION, but the damage should stay.
I kind of agree with them,i mean,still hit hard,but negating your spray and pray ability wthat is at the end of the day the REAL problem.
45 For Regular ARS
18-24 TAC
30 for Burst
30 For Breach
This of course.If applied needs,for balance sake, a clip reduction for Scramblers:
55 ASCR
35 SCrbs
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:25:00 -
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Synbot wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:I was just talking with 4 of my friends about your post.
They all use Duvolles ARs.
They say they wouldnt mind a CLIP REDUCTION, but the damage should stay.
I kind of agree with them,i mean,still hit hard,but negating your spray and pray ability wthat is at the end of the day the REAL problem.
45 For Regular ARS
18-24 TAC
30 for Burst
30 For Breach
This of course.If applied needs,for balance sake, a clip reduction for Scramblers:
55 ASCR
35 SCrbs
Just my 2 cents. It is a good proposal, I too have thought of just reducing clip size. But in reality you're making the weapon UP. A few times I'll find myself have barely 5 or so bullets left right after killing just a medium frame. This is usually due to himher being a somewhat good distance from me and he/she's movement. If you reduce JUST the clip size you're penalizing the AR user for a situation like that. Increasing the damage just a tad bit would compensate for this. It's reducing the spray and pray 'tactic' from ARs, while maintaining a good amount of damage. Because you will always miss. The least skilled players will miss more than the skilled, and will find that this weapon is not worth speccing into, then we'll have a reduced population using such a good weapon. (I'm not saying that reducing the population is a bad thing, but reducing the population because it's UP is a bad thing. I'd rather the population be reduced because there are weapons just as good as this one out there.) I do appreciate their input, and I do like the clip stats for the variants. And it does make sense to reduce the ScrR's clip size.
With all due respect my friend.If you dont drop an opponent with 20 AR bullets (Of course not a heavy) you are doing it wrong or spraying and praying. I have a Toxin AR with No proficiency nor Damage mods that i use ALWAYS when i start a game with my scout/uplink loadout and i always get 3-6 kills with it before dying. I mean.thats a STD weapon....on a 260 HP scout....
Not meaning to insult here at all.
But it IS possible to drop 2 up to 3 enemies with 45 Bullets,ADV or higher.
Just aim, to the head.Its a high Rof Weapon,you wont connect all of them,but while aiming to the head the ones that connect get a headshot bonus,there by hitting Very Hard.
AGAIN, the main reason i would be AGAINST touching ARS is because of the MASSIVE input of Ar users whining/asking for other nerfs and as it is,Dust is as balanced as ever, this is my opinion of course.
BUT IF the ARs where to be touched, i think 45 bullets would do the trick. This and a slight reload speed increase.
I respect you opinion,just expresing mine. |
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:50:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Buster Friently wrote:The AR in Dust is supposed to be a blaster rifle. This means it should have high DPS, but be very short range.
It shouldn't be a generalist weapon in the first place - That was CCP's second mistake with it.
Their first was naming it the assault rifle rather than the blaster/plasma rifle that it is.
Even the generalist version of this weapon might be ok if CCP didn't also go ahead and make it OP. Yes it is. It has too long a range, to much ammo, too high of DPS, and is too accurate.
Nerf a couple of these stats and the AR might be ok. Until then, Dust is dead.
Hail king AR. Hail AR 514. I agree on the Range and the Accuracy, I disagree on the DPS and ammo. Compared to the AsCR ( the only real comparable weapon) the GAR has nearly the same DPS and Range (Stupid concep) but the AsCR has a bigger clip and more ammo. So any changes to the GAR have to be followed by a balance approach on the AsCR (and bear in mind the AsCr should only mimic the power of the GAR)
People comparing ASCR with ARs are demented, sorry but its true.
If the ASCR was so good , there would be more people using it,and as it is i can get in a game and see 10 people with AR and i've never seen more than 1-2 ASCR in a game.Why, the ARs dont have recoil,nor dispersion rate, have equal or even more optimal range than the ASCR,dont have the amount of muzzle flash the ASCR has nor it overheats....
the :''the only real comparable weapon'' part is just , incorrect.There is NO weapon that compares to the AR.
OF COURSE if the ARs would get a ammo decrease to 45 the ASCR would have an ammo decrease equally comparable.ASCR clips, 60.
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:28:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Synbot wrote:Yup. Another AR balancing post. This is my view on how we can balance it. I've been an AR user since I've first started playing in January. From my experience as an AR user, I put together a document that would make this weapon more of a 'jack-of-all-trades' weapon. I'm not necessarily proposing to nerf or buff it. Simply balancing it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UDin3aJhrQ2dg_oTzbMfoDlQ9H542of48Twk-NG_9Xw/edit?usp=sharingDo note, I've not done any variants or tiers of this weapon. Just the plain Assault Rifle. I'll do tiers and variants later. I hope you enjoy! Feedback is always welcomed. I'll give you a +1 because that was very elaborate work.But i disagree.I think ARs are powerful,but as they are i think they are good. An above avarege player like myself can do in any AR user with my niche weapon the Scrambler rifle.(Other playerswith TAC ars,ASCR,SMG's,Mass drivers,etc...) T hey are just the most overall effective weapon,but its not OP.There by they dont need a ''balance''. Hear me now people.The AR playerbase is around 55%-60% Of all dust 514If you ''balance'' (NERF) the AR, you will have at LEAST 50% of our miserable 2000 playerbase complaining/leaving just because some niche weapon users felt they were getting overrun by ARs. I prefer dealing with ARs as they are than loosing yet another 400-800 players due to AR nerf. That's perfect AR scrub logic. You practically just admitted the AR was OP. Every other weapon (except AV) gets huge nerfs and ya'll laugh, but when people start saying the AR needs a nerf, and are intelligent about it, you're all up in arms because there are too many of you. All the niche weapon users had to adapt and you will have to as well, unless, of course, you beg for a respec. HTFU, scrub.
I , dont. I think th AR is powerful, but the point of a weapon is for it TO BE powerful.
so i dont see thats wrong with it....
just to leave things clear.
I defending the AR because im against nerfs , i think other weapons should be buffed to AR level.
Im a scrambler / laser rifle user btw....
So please, gently place you AR scrub comment, in the deepest part of your rectum, thank you.
Next time,dont talk without knowing, THATS PERFECT FORUM SCRUB LOGIC. |
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