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Icedslayer
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 08:04:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:OZAROW wrote:Morathi III wrote:OZAROW wrote:Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit.
Duv sg
3x complex shields
2xcomplex armor
Compact hive
That's like 700+ HP
With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop.
I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy Play against Icedslayer with your gallente  Is he minmatar? Curious to know his style of play, if hes anything like you I'd rather have him on my team lol. I think it's a good idea to have both scouts, especially once they fix the knives, but after playing with you the other day, I started with the sg again an had great night last night, best in forever, I realized how often nk hit detection has gotten me killed! I'm so used to running 250 total HP, HUGE DIFFERENCE RUNNING 700 lol. Minmatar get 3 high so its by far more than 250  , he run dual proto SMG, hes a beast one of the best scout in the game
I love playing against tanked Gallente Scouts, my SMG's tear them apart  . I haven't had a problem with my minmatar suit and that's why i haven't been too active on the forums. Its hard to b!tch when your getting 40/2, 30/2, 36/5, 38/4 games on a daily basis  .
With that being said i still think we need a niche role that no other suit can fill (Yes iam talking about all you fake logi's out there), hopefully that's built in cloaking (not equipment) and buffs to sprint, DB, Scan rang, scan precision and stamina.
And Morathi its always fun playing with and against you (especially against you ) |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
59
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Posted - 2013.09.25 08:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Gallente Scout is actually pretty good.
If they fixed the advanced version to have 3 high 1 low in consistency with the other suits then I'd skill into Scout.
But sadly the ADV has 2,2 which makes no sense when STD is 1,2 and PRO is 1,4
I completely agree. I was surprised when I saw the PRO suit the first time and realized it went back to 1-4. Now I have to deal with losing a high powered module rather than just gaining a low powered module going from ADV to PRO. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
199
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:52:00 -
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IMHO 1.4 nearly destroyed the role of the gallente scout. whats the reasoning behind giving this scout scanning bonusses but remove the ability to share his knowledge?
The suit and the racial skills seem to best suited for the scout role but with the removal of shared teamview the suit cannot fullfill his role.
Due to the 1 H slot he can't perform as light assault like the minni can even gal scout shotgun is not very reliable...
Whats left is a suit with one 1H an 4L slots that has no role and dies quickly. The whole suit is by now a misconception:
- it has a strange progression from std to proto
- it has the highest shield recharge (alongside withe the minni) but the lowest shield
- its a suit that rely on speed and stealth but hst to armor tank which reduces speed (well thats not a big flaw)
- it gets bonusses to scanrange but has the same (crappy)scanrange like any other suit
- it seems to designed as a scout but can't scout and don't get WP for any scout action
- The scouting capabilities get outperformed by a single piece of equipment
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Yan Darn
DUST University
Ivy League
163
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Posted - 2013.09.25 10:19:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Morathi III wrote:OZAROW wrote:Morathi III wrote:OZAROW wrote:Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit.
Duv sg
3x complex shields
2xcomplex armor
Compact hive
That's like 700+ HP
With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop.
I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy Play against Icedslayer with your gallente Is he minmatar? Curious to know his style of play, if hes anything like you I'd rather have him on my team lol. I think it's a good idea to have both scouts, especially once they fix the knives, but after playing with you the other day, I started with the sg again an had great night last night, best in forever, I realized how often nk hit detection has gotten me killed! I'm so used to running 250 total HP, HUGE DIFFERENCE RUNNING 700 lol. Minmatar get 3 high so its by far more than 250 , he run dual proto SMG, hes a beast one of the best scout in the game I love playing against tanked Gallente Scouts, my SMG's tear them apart . I haven't had a problem with my minmatar suit and that's why i haven't been too active on the forums. Its hard to b!tch when your getting 40/2, 30/2, 36/5, 38/4 games on a daily basis . With that being said i still think we need a niche role that no other suit can fill (Yes iam talking about all you fake logi's out there), hopefully that's built in cloaking (not equipment) and buffs to sprint, DB, Scan rang, scan precision and stamina. And Morathi its always fun playing with and against you (especially against you )
Yup, the real issue is that both scouts have to compete against logis for a scouting role. Things like NK hit-detection (and AA I guess though, as a gal scot I've never found it an issue over hitdetection fix) are by the by. |
Jackof All-Trades
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:27:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Gallente isn't a bad suit, it's just tough with the lack of highs and the low PG. If the proto got a 2 base PG buff I think it would perform better.
The way I look at it is:
Minmatar=Ninja assassin. Get in, kill, get out.
Gallente=eWar expert. Meant to get in, scan and not be found.
Why haven't you got more likes? You hit the nail on the head.
I like Minmatar scout because I can actually get my hitpoints back after the first battle. Gallente scout needs to use all its low slots for armour, kinetic catalysers, and profile dampeners with no spots for reppers. That's why I go Minmatar. |
Jackof All-Trades
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:37:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Morathi III wrote:OZAROW wrote:Morathi III wrote:OZAROW wrote:Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit.
Duv sg
3x complex shields
2xcomplex armor
Compact hive
That's like 700+ HP
With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop.
I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy Play against Icedslayer with your gallente Is he minmatar? Curious to know his style of play, if hes anything like you I'd rather have him on my team lol. I think it's a good idea to have both scouts, especially once they fix the knives, but after playing with you the other day, I started with the sg again an had great night last night, best in forever, I realized how often nk hit detection has gotten me killed! I'm so used to running 250 total HP, HUGE DIFFERENCE RUNNING 700 lol. Minmatar get 3 high so its by far more than 250 , he run dual proto SMG, hes a beast one of the best scout in the game I love playing against tanked Gallente Scouts, my SMG's tear them apart . I haven't had a problem with my minmatar suit and that's why i haven't been too active on the forums. Its hard to b!tch when your getting 40/2, 30/2, 36/5, 38/4 games on a daily basis . With that being said i still think we need a niche role that no other suit can fill (Yes iam talking about all you fake logi's out there), hopefully that's built in cloaking (not equipment) and buffs to sprint, DB, Scan rang, scan precision and stamina. And Morathi its always fun playing with and against you (especially against you )
It's him! The God of all Minmatar Scouts!! |
Judas Iscariot666
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
12
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:57:00 -
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Ice makes me look like a scrub! I'm just fortunate that I can roll with him daily as Corp mates!!! |
broonfondle majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
267
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:00:00 -
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I was told that you can boost the knives with myofibril's as well as side arm dam mods. so that's what I do on my Min scout and seems to work though I admit its a little tricky to figure out with the detection off.
If that is true then the Min bonus to melee is an extra bonus on on top of the straight up knife dam bonus - while also giving the option if you don't want them equipped / for use in the heat of the moment to strike harder at the opponent. Also the scouts have more stamina so can perform more punches at 100 dam at proto level - just a shame you cant really punch fast enough to make it effective (without the glitch, which I have no clue if its fixed in this build)
I also heard there thinking of adding takedown moves in the (distant) future. Awesome if true |
Lightning xVx
R 0 N 1 N
205
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:09:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:Chilled Pill wrote:The strafe speed of the minnie scout is great because of its naturally high base movement and sprint speeds -- hipfire is your best friend. What made it less of an advantage is the patch that homogenised everyone's turn speed. If you want more sprint speed on a minnie scout, you won't need more than 1 complex kincat on the low and you're golden. I'd use the other low for a shield reg to start recovering shields quickly.
End of the day, the grass is always greener on the other side. You want me to go into regulators and not speed tank? Cant do it man, speed is all I know. You mean to say you always roll with 2 complex kincats on your proto minnie scout loadouts? O_O I save my 10.++m/s suit for the initial rush to the objectives/placing sneaky uplinks. Otherwise, for me, a high 8-9m/s is fast enough. Just a suggestion.
Told you speed is ALL I know in this game. I treat this game like a Capcom game run fast, get crazy kill multipliers, and be first every game. 11.11 speed should be for Minmatar Scouts not Gallente Scouts. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1761
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:44:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away the Minnys speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem.
Thoughts?
cause minmatar are inferior and deserve inferior equipment  |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
199
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:50:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away the Minnys speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem.
Thoughts?
The only point directly related to the suit is the Gal scout has more health but it is not stealthier (but can due to slot layout) and as far as I know both have the same slot count   .
And the Minni scout IS faster/has more speed.... |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
174
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:01:00 -
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The original choice of winmatar over gallente was based move/strafe speeds along with a balanced slot layout. I never went into the scout builds thinking the current bonuses were going to stick. I knew from the get-go that those bonuses were just placeholders for what the true role of scouts were to become.
As much as people are unwilling to see, dust/eve are linked. Each race has a specific role in EVE, if you follow those roles you can pretty easily determine what the goal of CCP will be when developing the suit lines. Granted both gallente and winmatar are known for their high speed. Winmatar will always be faster and more agile.
I trust that CCP will fix that as time progresses. You have to account for the future and not the FOTM. Once you start doing that, you won't be disappointed in your choices.
Current adv winmatar build
-2x complex shields
-std AR (lvl 3 profiency)
-std SMG (lvl 2 profiency)
-Enh red (level 4)
-Enh damp (Ivl 5 damp skills)
-compact hive
I used to run knives, but the hit detection makes them too frustrating to utilize any more. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1585
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Posted - 2013.09.25 15:24:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away the Minnys speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem.
Thoughts?
Shields are a scout's friend. |
Lightning xVx
R 0 N 1 N
205
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:12:00 -
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I wish people actually saw the stats and tested them out, instead of assume. Plus to that one guy who said Minmatars are fast.... Did you not see the other persons confirmation on their speed? 11.11 should be ONLY for M. Scouts not G. Scouts, it even states it on the description of the suit: M. Scouts are used for speed and close range. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
194
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:18:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away the Minnys speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem.
Thoughts?
To be honest health is stupid for a scout, one shot your dead unless you get away but with no repairer my armor stays at 0 cos i'm minmatar and speed is my ticket but in some cases health is, i stay alive more when i'm shotgunning people in their faces and they trying to shoot be back at me and i usually get low armor after killing them.
Heavies are different to assault in the way that they can equip heavy weapons but scouts are exactly the same as assault if you fit speed mods on assaults useless scouts pity |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
378
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:34:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away the Minnys speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem.
Thoughts? Shields are a scout's friend.
Hardly - AR/ ScR / SR and grenades all tear through that in no time.
If you are outside of the range and meet most in 1v1 then this can be true but similarly if you are on your turf, 2 dmg mods and 1 shield make quicker work of your opponent and you move on.
Someone made the perfect point that Minmatar bonus doent play to its strength because you cant see whats around you to get in range for proper hit and runs. You can obviously augment that by using a scanner but then that alerts the enmey and also anyone can do that.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1431
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:58:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:I wish people actually saw the stats and tested them out, instead of assume. Plus to that one guy who said Minmatars are fast.... Did you not see the other persons confirmation on their speed? 11.11 should be ONLY for M. Scouts not G. Scouts, it even states it on the description of the suit: M. Scouts are used for speed and close range.
But that's not a viable build. No reps are a bad thing (unless your roner lol). Only good for first attack then with no reps your gunna die fast. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
199
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:38:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:I wish people actually saw the stats and tested them out, instead of assume. Plus to that one guy who said Minmatars are fast.... Did you not see the other persons confirmation on their speed? 11.11 should be ONLY for M. Scouts not G. Scouts, it even states it on the description of the suit: M. Scouts are used for speed and close range.
The Base speed is what makes the minni scout great it has the highest base and therefore the highest strafe speed. In theory a gal scout can sprint faster than a minni scout but there is no way the gal scout can get a higher base speed.
Even the Minni Assault can get faster than the minni scout and pretty close to the gal scout if you build a fit only dedicated to sprint speed whether those fits are valid or usable is another question.. |
Morathi III
Red Star.
EoN.
232
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:55:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:I wish people actually saw the stats and tested them out, instead of assume. Plus to that one guy who said Minmatars are fast.... Did you not see the other persons confirmation on their speed? 11.11 should be ONLY for M. Scouts not G. Scouts, it even states it on the description of the suit: M. Scouts are used for speed and close range.
And you still run in minni, easy reason 4 kin kats cost 60 pg not viable a armor specialist without armor rep and only 87 shield and 160 armor on the other hand you can fix 2 kin kats with 3 shield extender for 63 pg with a shield recharge of 40/sec or 2 shield extender for 52 pg |
Lightning xVx
R 0 N 1 N
205
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:12:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:I wish people actually saw the stats and tested them out, instead of assume. Plus to that one guy who said Minmatars are fast.... Did you not see the other persons confirmation on their speed? 11.11 should be ONLY for M. Scouts not G. Scouts, it even states it on the description of the suit: M. Scouts are used for speed and close range. And you still run in minni, easy reason 4 kin kats cost 60 pg not viable a armor specialist without armor rep and only 87 shield and 160 armor on the other hand you can fix 2 kin kats with 3 shield extender for 63 pg with a shield recharge of 40/sec or 2 shield extender for 52 pg
I still run mini because I invested about 19m SP into this suit. And at this rate I'll be waiting for Caldari Scout instead of even trying Minnie. |
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OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
726
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Posted - 2013.09.26 01:23:00 -
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It was more viable for me to run 2 kins an go 10.36 back when shields were stronger now it just seems like shields drop way too fast now, an I'm kinda addicted to running nova knives, I had my build down then from 1.2 to now its been a lot of finding out new an better combinations of how to be successful in the game, an oddly enough I'm digging the durability of the gallente scout an the shotgun although I find it really sluggish but I can afford to spec into at this stage, I'm not as confident shotgunning with a minmatar shot gunning an I have mad respec for those that don't lose all their shields doing it but I have more luck with a armored gallente, I think it's worth having both for separate reasons |
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