DUST Search - The Minmatar Scout vs. Gallente Scout (1.4 Overall Scout build)

OZAROW wrote:

Morathi III wrote:

OZAROW wrote:

Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit.
Duv sg
3x complex shields
2xcomplex armor
Compact hive
That's like 700+ HP
With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop.
I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy

Play against Icedslayer with your gallente Blink

Is he minmatar? Curious to know his style of play, if hes anything like you I'd rather have him on my team lol.
I think it's a good idea to have both scouts, especially once they fix the knives, but after playing with you the other day, I started with the sg again an had great night last night, best in forever, I realized how often nk hit detection has gotten me killed!
I'm so used to running 250 total HP, HUGE DIFFERENCE RUNNING 700 lol.

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Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 203	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away its speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem. Thoughts?
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 399	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:09:00 - [2] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away its speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem. Thoughts? Yah, I'm kinda struggling with that one, too. I RP a Minmatar, so I'd like to run all Minmatar stuff. Munch
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 115	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:11:00 - [3] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away its speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem. Thoughts? In my opinion, it doesn't- the two scouts are pretty decently balanced relative to each other. The Gal can fit more total HP but has much less bounce-back, the Min has less total HP but can reach 300+ shields on a 4-second recharge delay. The Gal scout cannot be faster AND stealthier AND tankier than the Min scout, it has to choose one of those three.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1955	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:12:00 - [4] - Quote Gallente Scout is actually pretty good. If they fixed the advanced version to have 3 high 1 low in consistency with the other suits then I'd skill into Scout. But sadly the ADV has 2,2 which makes no sense when STD is 1,2 and PRO is 1,4
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 715	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:26:00 - [5] - Quote I was gallente at uprising, but we had no scanner then an the mini speed an knives were amazing, so I got the respec that was optional, an I was averaging between 10-25 kill s with no gun just knives. Then 1.2 an 1.3 totally destroyed this scout with the stamina nerfs, hit box increase, straf speeds an now the scanner. A min can't get below 15 db which is a serious problem an now useless for pc, on top of the nk hit detection problem on top of which armor is far superior to shields now. So little while back I unlocked the g scout lv one, an am curantly leveling armor skills to 5 then I'm going for the gk.0 Last night I armor tanked my basic light gallente advanced with 400+ armor an 200 shields a k5 special an a toxin smg, both guns are at proficiency 4 an I averaged 15-25 kills dropping 3/4 mercs at a time with maybe 4-7 deaths a match or less. With that much armor I can litteraly run out their clips until they reload then I rep an move on. It's totally made me feel like a better player an I'm going to have both scouts eventually since almost all my low slot mods are maxed out. I love knifing when it works but now that shotgunning is feasible I ll stick with a slower more tanked fit an look forward to having my skills increase an shine since I can actually take shots with this fit.
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:32:00 - [6] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away the Minnys speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem. Thoughts? Why you picked the minny before? Because the gallente was pretty bad before 1.4. Gallente if he outperform the minny in speed he get less health than the minny, gallente if he outperform the minny in health he get less speed than the minny. Gallente is more a specialist he choose is way. Gallente its armor, minny its shield and both scout have the best shield recharge with 40 per second that help minny
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 180	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:40:00 - [7] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? ... Thoughts? For an answer, click on THIS THREAD oh, oops.... only if your a Dust Uni member. Otherwise, the synopsis is: Unless you're committed to spending milliions of ISK, and more importantly, millions of SP points to get and use proto suits, Minmatar "gets it done" better than gallente, at the ADV level of things.
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 543	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:43:00 - [8] - Quote I use Minmatar Scout and I can attest they lost a lot of effectiveness over the last couple of patches, especially with the latest one. Gallente on the other hand got boosted up a bit with the changes to armor, non-shared view(while having a nice amount of low slots for profile damp modules), and Aim Assist taking Speed Tanked Minmatar Scouts out behind the wood pile. That is in addition to the god awful Nova Knife hit detection and the fact that I can't even fit the proper modules on my suit to be effective half the time.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1298	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:43:00 - [9] - Quote Actually I was thinking about something earlier: all the Minmatar suits seem built to do two things speed, and armor tanking but the minmatar scout is woefully bad at doing the latter
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 204	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:44:00 - [10] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: So tell me why is the Gallente Scout outperform the Minmatar Scout? If the G Scout has more health, stealthier, faster and has more slots, then why would you even pick the Minny? Makes, no sense. I can understand having more health and more slots for the Gallente but you take away its speed and power in favor for just Nova Knives... That is a problem. Thoughts? In my opinion, it doesn't- the two scouts are pretty decently balanced relative to each other. The Gal can fit more total HP but has much less bounce-back, the Min has less total HP but can reach 300+ shields on a 4-second recharge delay. The Gal scout cannot be faster AND stealthier AND tankier than the Min scout, it has to choose one of those three. I'm just going to assume you never used any of them because the stats are there.

OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 715	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:47:00 - [11] - Quote Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit. Duv sg 3x complex shields 2xcomplex armor Compact hive That's like 700+ HP With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop. I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit. Duv sg 3x complex shields 2xcomplex armor Compact hive That's like 700+ HP With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop. I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy Play against Icedslayer with your gallente
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1241	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:58:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Gallente Scout is actually pretty good. If they fixed the advanced version to have 3 high 1 low in consistency with the other suits then I'd skill into Scout. But sadly the ADV has 2,2 which makes no sense when STD is 1,2 and PRO is 1,4 don't you mean 1 high 3 low?
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 715	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Morathi III wrote: OZAROW wrote: Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit. Duv sg 3x complex shields 2xcomplex armor Compact hive That's like 700+ HP With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop. I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy Play against Icedslayer with your gallente Is he minmatar? Curious to know his style of play, if hes anything like you I'd rather have him on my team lol. I think it's a good idea to have both scouts, especially once they fix the knives, but after playing with you the other day, I started with the sg again an had great night last night, best in forever, I realized how often nk hit detection has gotten me killed! I'm so used to running 250 total HP, HUGE DIFFERENCE RUNNING 700 lol.
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:09:00 - [15] - Quote BARDAS wrote: I use Minmatar Scout and I can attest they lost a lot of effectiveness over the last couple of patches, especially with the latest one. Gallente on the other hand got boosted up a bit with the changes to armor, non-shared view(while having a nice amount of low slots for profile damp modules), and Aim Assist taking Speed Tanked Minmatar Scouts out behind the wood pile. That is in addition to the god awful Nova Knife hit detection and the fact that I can't even fit the proper modules on my suit to be effective half the time. Nova knife hit detection need to be fixed for sure no arg there Minmatar is more a hit and run with a good shield recharge at cover can jump back in battle quick On the other hand Gallente can stay in battle longer, lesser speed and recharge more slowly Personnally Gallente is better with shotty and AR than the minny with knives and SMG Guess what Duvolle and shotty are gallente technology and SMG and knives are minmatar I compared my fitting with Icedslayer ( beast minmatar scout ) and i really dont feel i get advantage by no way I feel its fine and Mini scout are just upset because Gallente get a boost, but honestly before this build gallente was garbage! Now both of them get a role o7
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:18:00 - [16] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Morathi III wrote: OZAROW wrote: Plus the armor speed reduction is way less now, complex plates used to have a 10% penalty now it's only 5, which is a huge difference , but try this mini fit. Duv sg 3x complex shields 2xcomplex armor Compact hive That's like 700+ HP With shields of like 343 that recharge faster than armor, only problem is how fast they drop. I was shot gunning facts to face against roner general an we had even HP but he kept winning since armor is way stronger, I think dude had like 600 armor an 100+ shields , very hard to drop him, but my 343 shields was gone instantly the only thing kept me alive was 300+ armor which I think is the only way to run a minja now if your gonna let yourself be seen other wise it's too damn squishy Play against Icedslayer with your gallente Is he minmatar? Curious to know his style of play, if hes anything like you I'd rather have him on my team lol. I think it's a good idea to have both scouts, especially once they fix the knives, but after playing with you the other day, I started with the sg again an had great night last night, best in forever, I realized how often nk hit detection has gotten me killed! I'm so used to running 250 total HP, HUGE DIFFERENCE RUNNING 700 lol. Minmatar get 3 high so its by far more than 250 , he run dual proto SMG, hes a beast one of the best scout in the game
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1023	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:30:00 - [17] - Quote Gallente isn't a bad suit, it's just tough with the lack of highs and the low PG. If the proto got a 2 base PG buff I think it would perform better. The way I look at it is: Minmatar=Ninja assassin. Get in, kill, get out. Gallente=eWar expert. Meant to get in, scan and not be found.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 204	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:30:00 - [18] - Quote Just to let you guys know the same speed suit I run a Gallente scout can run better: (11.11 sprint) with 4 Kin Cats, 6 more HP (health), Better Damps/Range/ Stealth and a adv light/ sidearm. (All base stats up mind you). That to me is proof right there, Minny in this build=Useless in comparison. At least give the Minnys the 11.11 sprint speed (2x Kin Cats) or One other weapon bonus exclusive to Minmatar Scout (other then NK's.)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1023	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:44:00 - [19] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Just to let you guys know the same speed suit I run a Gallente scout can run better: (11.11 sprint) with 4 Kin Cats, 6 more HP (health), Better Damps/Range/ Stealth and a adv light/ sidearm. (All base stats up mind you). That to me is proof right there, Minny in this build=Useless in comparison. At least give the Minnys the 11.11 sprint speed (2x Kin Cats) or One other weapon bonus exclusive to Minmatar Scout (other then NK's.) Just checked, I can fit 4 complex kincats, one DSS and a advanced m209 SMG. My current fitting is 211/328 and 78/79 PG. Max skills all around(except fitting skills for SG and SMG, but even then I don't think it would make more then a few PG difference)
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 715	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:51:00 - [20] - Quote Yea the punch bonus is wack , I just knife em

Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.09.24 22:01:00 - [21] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Just to let you guys know the same speed suit I run a Gallente scout can run better: (11.11 sprint) with 4 Kin Cats, 6 more HP (health), Better Damps/Range/ Stealth and a adv light/ sidearm. (All base stats up mind you). That to me is proof right there, Minny in this build=Useless in comparison. At least give the Minnys the 11.11 sprint speed (2x Kin Cats) or One other weapon bonus exclusive to Minmatar Scout (other then NK's.) Lightning, running a gallente scout with 4 kin Cats its really not viable and you know it. Minmatar Hit & run, weak against scrambler, laser, flux : weapon of choice : smg, NK Gallente tanker ( for a scout ) , weak against SMG, HMG, MD, Locus : weapon of choice : AR, Shotgun One his shield is HP recharge faster currently 40/ per second is the best in any category One is armor more HP , move slower, regen slower OR move faster, regen slower, less HP
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 715	Posted - 2013.09.24 22:04:00 - [22] - Quote Just made this thread toss some thoughts on it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1331341#post1331341
Morathi III Red Star. EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.09.24 22:36:00 - [23] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Just made this thread toss some thoughts on it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1331341#post1331341 I feel this is the way to go, the minmatar bonus.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 204	Posted - 2013.09.24 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote At least give us 11.11 sprint mimatars are power and speed.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 377	Posted - 2013.09.24 23:57:00 - [25] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Just to let you guys know the same speed suit I run a Gallente scout can run better: (11.11 sprint) with 4 Kin Cats, 6 more HP (health), Better Damps/Range/ Stealth and a adv light/ sidearm. (All base stats up mind you). That to me is proof right there, Minny in this build=Useless in comparison. At least give the Minnys the 11.11 sprint speed (2x Kin Cats) or One other weapon bonus exclusive to Minmatar Scout (other then NK's.) Lightning, running a gallente scout with 4 kin Cats its really not viable and you know it. Minmatar Hit & run, weak against scrambler, laser, flux : weapon of choice : smg, NK Gallente tanker ( for a scout ) , weak against SMG, HMG, MD, Locus : weapon of choice : AR, Shotgun One his shield is HP recharge faster currently 40/ per second is the best in any category One is armor more HP , move slower, regen slower OR move faster, regen slower, less HP Gal proto - 2 kin cats, cardiac and then whatever you want in the 4th spot That runs faster and longer than a min scout unless the minmatar doubles kin cats but you are still going to get beat over distance, cant jump too much to evade / escape. 4th slot can be used for dampening, armor or better yet scan range which allow them to hit and run better. A minnie scout can be setup as a weak assault or a straight up glass cannon flanker.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis 199	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:10:00 - [26] - Quote The strafe speed of the minnie scout is great because of its naturally high base movement and sprint speeds -- hipfire is your best friend. What made it less of an advantage is the patch that homogenised everyone's turn speed. If you want more sprint speed on a minnie scout, you won't need more than 1 complex kincat on the low and you're golden. I'd use the other low for a shield reg to start recovering shields quickly. End of the day, the grass is always greener on the other side.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 719	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:16:00 - [27] - Quote For some odd reason I like using a reactive plate, an fk the speed just be sneaky. I imagine that a complex reactive with 2hp regen plus a cOmplex shield reg could really do the trik then stack damage or shields, but I'm all for armor this build especially if I'm shot gunning but speed an a dampener if I got the knives out
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:36:00 - [28] - Quote Pre 1.4 the minmatar scout was better than the gallente scout because of the versatility of shielding and the crappyness of armor tanking but the main reason minmater hit and run play style has sucked lately is because of aim assist before we could jump in and out of a fight as we plzd (think pre stamina nerf) but gallente are just better at being good at one thing and fast shield recharge arnt as good with aim assist unless regulator are just boss TLDR: Minnie scouts get shafted by aim assist (to test tell a friend to turn off aim assist and shoot you)
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 204	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:44:00 - [29] - Quote Chilled Pill wrote: The strafe speed of the minnie scout is great because of its naturally high base movement and sprint speeds -- hipfire is your best friend. What made it less of an advantage is the patch that homogenised everyone's turn speed. If you want more sprint speed on a minnie scout, you won't need more than 1 complex kincat on the low and you're golden. I'd use the other low for a shield reg to start recovering shields quickly. End of the day, the grass is always greener on the other side. You want me to go into regulators and not speed tank? Cant do it man, speed is all I know.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis 203	Posted - 2013.09.25 05:31:00 - [30] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Chilled Pill wrote: The strafe speed of the minnie scout is great because of its naturally high base movement and sprint speeds -- hipfire is your best friend. What made it less of an advantage is the patch that homogenised everyone's turn speed. If you want more sprint speed on a minnie scout, you won't need more than 1 complex kincat on the low and you're golden. I'd use the other low for a shield reg to start recovering shields quickly. End of the day, the grass is always greener on the other side. You want me to go into regulators and not speed tank? Cant do it man, speed is all I know. You mean to say you always roll with 2 complex kincats on your proto minnie scout loadouts? O_O I save my 10.++m/s suit for the initial rush to the objectives/placing sneaky uplinks. Otherwise, for me, a high 8-9m/s is fast enough. Just a suggestion.



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