It's a placeholder default of all the racial rifles. Your argument invalid.

AR is NOT broken, it is fine the way it is. The only thing is that this is the most adaptive weapon. It is easy to use, the first weapon you hold in your hands when you start Dust the very first time. I bet there would be more variety if the start suits wouldn't suck so hard. If you as a noob could have hands on laser, and scrambler you would not be so much affected. The AR is very common, a lot of people are using it and a lot of people become very god with it. Reading this forums makes it look like the community is always lokking for the next nerf true to the motto "What could we nerf next?".

This time I see more a sheding tears of people who are (apparently) unhappy with the choice they made in skilling not the AR.
It sounds like: "My [weapon] sucks, so nerf the AR!". Have you ever thought about that maybe YOUR weapon is the one who is imbalanced and needs more attention from CCP?

I consider myself a very good AR user, now that I have "mastered" it I'm looking for something more tactical like the scramble rifle. It has the charge shot, a lot of DPS, the downfall is that you have to be very careful. But you HAVE the option to charge a shot or just spray for a while. I was saving some SP for 1.5 to take a very close look at the combat rifle, now I have to think about it, still waiting for 1.6 or invest in to Scrambler.

most other guns got nerfed before AA. The AA gave The AR a ninja buff.
And for me the AR is a joke atm. No other gun ( exept the forge) kan take out +700HP in about a sec. And yeah i read the killer info. Iit reads to many times as this; duvulle, gek damage delt 747HP range 40-60 meters. And al that in about a sec.
This did just not happen in before AA.

sooory for my bad english

It's not a statement, it's fact. You're defending something that a developer admitted on doing wrong on its inception.

citation needed.


I'm not finding it with search.

We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons
A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time.

lol yeah I admit i was a bit ralijant ...every now and then it did happen but not as now al the time

and to be honest if you can do that without ******* AA you deserv the kill

Believe me, this did happen before we had AA.

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most other guns got nerfed before AA. The AA gave The AR a ninja buff.
And for me the AR is a joke atm. No other gun ( exept the forge) kan take out +700HP in about a sec. And yeah i read the killer info. Iit reads to many times as this; duvulle, gek damage delt 747HP range 40-60 meters. And al that in about a sec.
This did just not happen in before AA.

sooory for my bad english

So what's really your point? Seriously, what's everybody's point complaining about the AR? There is no point.

Man, I'm trying to find that out to. Again it looks like I described: "My [weapon] sucks, so nerf the AR!"

getting sniped with a militia assault rifles or dubvile from 50+meters no headshot.

Dude, an AR can hit up to 100m plus. What are you talking about?? It's not uncommon.

Dude, an AR can hit up to 100m plus. What are you talking about?? It's not uncommon.

Am "militia" sniped you? Please help me to envision this scenario. Where you stain still? Do you run in a naked suit?
I have seen a lot, but no one ever sniped me using a militia AR. Sniper yes, very rare. AR? Never happen.
I did die to militia ARs, during low HP, reloading, getting stuck in the environment etc.

The scrambler can snipe and one-shot you if it's charged, I see no complains about that.
And I'm not goi

I feel sorry for those specced into the GAR

its gonna be nerfed when the combat and rail are released, and so many GAR users will complain about wasted sp!
The current ar is a placeholder all the stats are rolled into 1, hence why the AR out ranges the AScR.

The range will be shortened dramatically, we are talking prehaps 35m effective, 20m optimal, to be in line with plasma tech limitations.

I just feel sorry cause you won't get that sp back and you'll be left outranged by a scrambler pistol!

sp reset......

lol yeah I admit i was a bit ralijant ...every now and then it did happen but not as now al the time

and to be honest if you can do that without ******* AA you deserv the kill

The AR is out-preforming HMGs at extremely close range. All I'm going to say. All that needs to be said, really.

Ok. AR hitting at a range of 40-60 meters. What is really the problem? An AR can do that. Also you forget to add in damage mods and specced up AR skillbooks that increase damage output.

And yea, hit detection has been worked on so post 1.4 you get dropped easier

So what's really your point? Seriously, what's everybody's point complaining about the AR? There is no point.

Nope never again!

I feel sorry for those specced into the GAR

its gonna be nerfed when the combat and rail are released, and so many GAR users will complain about wasted sp!
The current ar is a placeholder all the stats are rolled into 1, hence why the AR out ranges the AScR.

The range will be shortened dramatically, we are talking prehaps 35m effective, 20m optimal, to be in line with plasma tech limitations.

I just feel sorry cause you won't get that sp back and you'll be left outranged by a scrambler pistol!

AR is NOT broken, it is fine the way it is. The only thing is that this is the most adaptive weapon. It is easy to use, the first weapon you hold in your hands when you start Dust the very first time. I bet there would be more variety if the start suits wouldn't suck so hard. If you as a noob could have hands on laser, and scrambler you would not be so much affected. The AR is very common, a lot of people are using it and a lot of people become very god with it. Reading this forums makes it look like the community is always lokking for the next nerf true to the motto "What could we nerf next?".

This time I see more a sheding tears of people who are (apparently) unhappy with the choice they made in skilling not the AR.
It sounds like: "My [weapon] sucks, so nerf the AR!". Have you ever thought about that maybe YOUR weapon is the one who is imbalanced and needs more attention from CCP?

I consider myself a very good AR user, now that I have "mastered" it I'm looking for something more tactical like the scramble rifle. It has the charge shot, a lot of DPS, the downfall is that you have to be very careful. But you HAVE the option to charge a shot or just spray for a while. I was saving some SP for 1.5 to take a very close look at the combat rifle, now I have to think about it, still waiting for 1.6 or invest in to Scrambler.

Honestly I guess it will be more 30m optimal and 40 effective and I guess it will come along with a DPS buff otherwise it would make no sense (well CCP could just nerf the DPS of the AsCR as well). I am personally looking forward to a short range high DPS weapon as long as CCP give all the other Rifles their correct Range/DPS profile too that will make the Assault rifles quite interesting and gives a reason to spec into a different one...

Honestly I guess it will be more 30m optimal and 40 effective and I guess it will come along with a DPS buff otherwise it would make no sense (well CCP could just nerf the DPS of the AsCR as well). I am personally looking forward to a short range high DPS weapon as long as CCP give all the other Rifles their correct Range/DPS profile too that will make the Assault rifles quite interesting and gives a reason to spec into a different one...

Thats more minmatar tech, relatively short range breaching, long range suppresion, also I do believe they took the sight of the ar to discourage long range use.

Minmatar tech is usually mid to long range hit and run skirmishes depending on weapon and ammo types due to their versatility. Get in, do you damage, get out burst repair, get in again...

Its been more short to mid range with hmg and MD. But the hit run style is still quintessential minmatar. It just so happens the hmg and md also make for good long range suppression, not killing but suppression!