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First Prophet wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Crash Monster wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors.

Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo.

The voting in the Gallente Federation is a million times worse than in America, your vote really doesn't matter with how much political corruption there is. There's no caste system, but there might as well be with how easy it is for the top dogs to push you down the ladder. Also large portions of the Federation are in a very poor condition where crimes are committed actively and willingly and no one gives a ****.

Not saying all the Federation is horrendous, not at all. But it is far from this Utopia many people seem to associate it with.

Pretty much this is what the Federation is like. They have massive voting blocs, with the primary alliance of voting blocs able to completely dominate the general elections, the Federation isn't really run the way many people assume it is. Like all of the other empires, the fate of the average human being is decided by a faceless entity with absolute authority.

America is still the best.

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Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 462	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:37:00 - [1] - Quote First, go to options. Select what side you want to win. Play a match or two, get bored. Go to options again. Pick who you want to lose; play as many matches as you want and AFK them all. (I love the universe of EVE Online and all the tactics that can be used to win).
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 284	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:43:00 - [2] - Quote Ssssshhhhhhhhhhhh, don't give them ideas.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 229	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:46:00 - [3] - Quote lose for amarr
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 462	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:12:00 - [4] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: lose for amarr Likewise. Whenever I go for either tyrannical empire (Amarr or Caldari), I usually order some food and sit back in my chair watching something on my computer. Makes getting SP easy, and AFKing a worthwhile battle asset (and you never have to pull the trigger even once).
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2231	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:22:00 - [5] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: lose for amarr Likewise. Whenever I go for either tyrannical empire (Amarr or Caldari), I usually order some food and sit back in my chair watching something on my computer. Makes getting SP easy, and AFKing a worthwhile battle asset (and you never have to pull the trigger even once). You seriously don't know anything about eve lore do you? Assuming the Caldari or the Amarr are tyrannical is somewhat ignorant of what they really are.
Ronan Rohk Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:30:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Asirius Medaius wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: lose for amarr Likewise. Whenever I go for either tyrannical empire (Amarr or Caldari), I usually order some food and sit back in my chair watching something on my computer. Makes getting SP easy, and AFKing a worthwhile battle asset (and you never have to pull the trigger even once). You seriously don't know anything about eve lore do you? Assuming the Caldari or the Amarr are tyrannical is somewhat ignorant of what they really are. This. Especially concerning the Caldari State. In it's current State (pun not intended), it is lead by a man who started a revolution, and fought against corruption and opulence. So get your facts straight, Asirius. If any faction could be called tyrannical, it'd be the Gallente Federation. Bringing "freedom" to the masses by forcing them to join them. Riiiight...
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2231	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:34:00 - [7] - Quote Ronan Rohk wrote: True Adamance wrote: Asirius Medaius wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: lose for amarr Likewise. Whenever I go for either tyrannical empire (Amarr or Caldari), I usually order some food and sit back in my chair watching something on my computer. Makes getting SP easy, and AFKing a worthwhile battle asset (and you never have to pull the trigger even once). You seriously don't know anything about eve lore do you? Assuming the Caldari or the Amarr are tyrannical is somewhat ignorant of what they really are. This. Especially concerning the Caldari State. In it's current State (pun not intended), it is lead by a man who started a revolution, and fought against corruption and opulence. So get your facts straight, Asirius. If any faction could be called tyrannical, it'd be the Gallente Federation. Bringing "freedom" to the masses by forcing them to join them. Riiiight... Actually that guy exploited one of the mega corporations, wanted to restart the war for Caldari prime, joined some extremist terrorists, and is now on the run from the State....
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 463	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:50:00 - [8] - Quote So much anger in this thread; I love getting people riled up. It's as if they think the EVE lore actually has anything to do with this game.
Lorhak Gannarsein Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 424	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:52:00 - [9] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: So much anger in this thread; I love getting people riled up. It's as if they think the EVE lore actually has anything to do with this game. It's as if they think that your calling two of the empires in this game tyrannical should be accurate and make sense! And that the EVE lore, consequently, has anything to do with this game! Crazy, huh?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1377	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:55:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1228	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:58:00 - [11] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. Hmm free elections... The Federation is corrupt don't be fooled by a facade of democracy, head out to 0.0 that's where freedom is.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 559	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:01:00 - [12] - Quote Go Minmatar!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2235	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. Hmm free elections... The Federation is corrupt don't be fooled by a facade of democracy, head out to 0.0 that's where freedom is. Fine food is debatable ((Since we don't know what the people of New Eden eat nor can we compare the foods from different empires)), education is also debatable, few gallenteans I the IGS display any level of education, nor do we see the same focus on education from the Gallente that the Amarr have, as for voting.... I cannot dispute that.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1406	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:13:00 - [14] - Quote FoxFour wants mercs to stay free to join either side to make it easy to join your friends. A valid concern. However, this breaks the commitment aspect and allows joining to help one side lose. Join PC or public matches for that. Faction warfare should be about joining a faction. I vote for commitment.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 124965	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:17:00 - [15] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: FoxFour wants mercs to stay free to join either side to make it easy to join your friends. A valid concern. However, this breaks the commitment aspect and allows joining to help one side lose. Join PC or public matches for that. Faction warfare should be about joining a faction. I vote for commitment. I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1383	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:23:00 - [16] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. How about giving people higher SP (to some bonus like the daily system) unless they switch sides and have to slowly build it up again?
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1230	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:24:00 - [17] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. How about giving people higher SP (to some bonus like the daily system) unless they switch sides and have to slowly build it up again? This^ or LP's
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1664	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:26:00 - [18] - Quote I think the best fit would be something that gives a sort of accelerated system of rewards for those people who WIN for whatever side they play for. If you play for each side 25% of the time, you will slowly get better rewards for each side. If you play exclusively for one side and win 25% of the time, you would get rewards at the same 'speed' as the former example (maybe a little worse). However, there has to be a breaking point for some people. There has to be some kind of threshold where it is smarter to play pub matches rather than FW matches. Otherwise, pub matches become unimportant, other than offering domination and ambush matches.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 4	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:30:00 - [19] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: FoxFour wants mercs to stay free to join either side to make it easy to join your friends. A valid concern. However, this breaks the commitment aspect and allows joining to help one side lose. Join PC or public matches for that. Faction warfare should be about joining a faction. I vote for commitment. I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. give us higher sp or isk amounts equivilant to pc matches. loser gets no isk so its VERY competitive and prevents protostomping in pubs so its a buff for noobs. its a faction war for christs sake, not a pub match. give us a reason to like it.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2180	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:30:00 - [20] - Quote The tyrannical comment aside, did someone seriously associate Caldari with behaving like an empire? CCP we really need something done in game to give people a better idea for who the factions are. A small text box when you create your character isn't enough, and you can't expect all Dust players to buy any of the books or visit the EVE Wiki.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1230	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:32:00 - [21] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The tyrannical comment aside, did someone seriously associate Caldari with behaving like an empire? CCP we really need something done in game to give people a better idea for who the factions are. A small text box when you create your character isn't enough, and you can't expect all Dust players to buy any of the books or visit the EVE Wiki. Generally people who choose Amarr choose it because it is the first choice and they are lazy...
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2238	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:33:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The tyrannical comment aside, did someone seriously associate Caldari with behaving like an empire? CCP we really need something done in game to give people a better idea for who the factions are. A small text box when you create your character isn't enough, and you can't expect all Dust players to buy any of the books or visit the EVE Wiki. At least a comment about all empires being good and bad, in the grey. Currently people have the wrong idea about the empire. Caldari Amarr are evil Gallente Minmatar are good This isn't the case, they are all as bad or good as each other.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2180	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:35:00 - [23] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. The voting in the Gallente Federation is a million times worse than in America, your vote really doesn't matter with how much political corruption there is. There's no caste system, but there might as well be with how easy it is for the top dogs to push you down the ladder. Also large portions of the Federation are in a very poor condition where crimes are committed actively and willingly and no one gives a ****. Not saying all the Federation is horrendous, not at all. But it is far from this Utopia many people seem to associate it with.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1407	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:40:00 - [24] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: FoxFour wants mercs to stay free to join either side to make it easy to join your friends. A valid concern. However, this breaks the commitment aspect and allows joining to help one side lose. Join PC or public matches for that. Faction warfare should be about joining a faction. I vote for commitment. I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. Awesome.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2238	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:41:00 - [25] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. The voting in the Gallente Federation is a million times worse than in America, your vote really doesn't matter with how much political corruption there is. There's no caste system, but there might as well be with how easy it is for the top dogs to push you down the ladder. Also large portions of the Federation are in a very poor condition where crimes are committed actively and willingly and no one gives a ****. Not saying all the Federation is horrendous, not at all. But it is far from this Utopia many people seem to associate it with. Pretty much this is what the Federation is like. They have massive voting blocs, with the primary alliance of voting blocs able to completely dominate the general elections, the Federation isn't really run the way many people assume it is. Like all of the other empires, the fate of the average human being is decided by a faceless entity with absolute authority.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 1092	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:48:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. The voting in the Gallente Federation is a million times worse than in America, your vote really doesn't matter with how much political corruption there is. There's no caste system, but there might as well be with how easy it is for the top dogs to push you down the ladder. Also large portions of the Federation are in a very poor condition where crimes are committed actively and willingly and no one gives a ****. Not saying all the Federation is horrendous, not at all. But it is far from this Utopia many people seem to associate it with. Pretty much this is what the Federation is like. They have massive voting blocs, with the primary alliance of voting blocs able to completely dominate the general elections, the Federation isn't really run the way many people assume it is. Like all of the other empires, the fate of the average human being is decided by a faceless entity with absolute authority. America is still the best.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 799	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:49:00 - [27] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: FoxFour wants mercs to stay free to join either side to make it easy to join your friends. A valid concern. However, this breaks the commitment aspect and allows joining to help one side lose. Join PC or public matches for that. Faction warfare should be about joining a faction. I vote for commitment. I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. Still waiting for the last dev blog. Regarding that design: 1.6?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1664	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:51:00 - [28] - Quote chase rowland wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: FoxFour wants mercs to stay free to join either side to make it easy to join your friends. A valid concern. However, this breaks the commitment aspect and allows joining to help one side lose. Join PC or public matches for that. Faction warfare should be about joining a faction. I vote for commitment. I think we have a design that is getting closer and closer to satisfying both sides. Hopefully I will have something to post later this week. give us higher sp or isk amounts equivilant to pc matches. loser gets no isk so its VERY competitive and prevents protostomping in pubs so its a buff for noobs. its a faction war for christs sake, not a pub match. give us a reason to like it. No. The loser should get some consolation, and not as much as pub matches. Eventually though, if your loss record in FW continues to be poor, you SHOULD realize at some point that it is better for you to play pub matches, because of the mechanics of how it should work. We don't want FW to be the BEST place to make isk for everyone, otherwise you make PUB matches the new pointless place to play. Profitability currently has only a few factors: A) were you in the match for most of the battle's length? B) how much is destroyed in battle? C) does your team win? D) did you significantly influence the battle? E) did you keep your losses to a minimum? If you have to answer 'No' to more than one of these questions, you probably won't have a profitable time. The key to making a more competitive FW is to make it harder to answer 'Yes' to all of these for each person. That can be done in a lot of different ways, some could include: -making (C) matter more over time (faction contribution ranking), -letting (B) being destributed to winners differently than pub matches (winners get 4/5ths of loot vs. 2/3rds) -having (A) work differently as a reinforcement system (time in battle doesn't matter, only WP, after 10 deaths you leave match) -having a completely different WP system for FW to change how (D) scales. (Extra WP for defensive kills near Objectives) -having (E) work differently (maximum losses per person/squad)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2240	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:58:00 - [29] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. The voting in the Gallente Federation is a million times worse than in America, your vote really doesn't matter with how much political corruption there is. There's no caste system, but there might as well be with how easy it is for the top dogs to push you down the ladder. Also large portions of the Federation are in a very poor condition where crimes are committed actively and willingly and no one gives a ****. Not saying all the Federation is horrendous, not at all. But it is far from this Utopia many people seem to associate it with. Pretty much this is what the Federation is like. They have massive voting blocs, with the primary alliance of voting blocs able to completely dominate the general elections, the Federation isn't really run the way many people assume it is. Like all of the other empires, the fate of the average human being is decided by a faceless entity with absolute authority. America is still the best. The Parks are very nice, from urban, to national.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 281	Posted - 2013.09.23 17:07:00 - [30] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Crash Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: But yeah I would say the Gallente are the most oppressive society behind closed doors. Yeah, all that voting, fine food, and education... I'm repressed right up the wazoo. The voting in the Gallente Federation is a million times worse than in America, your vote really doesn't matter with how much political corruption there is. There's no caste system, but there might as well be with how easy it is for the top dogs to push you down the ladder. Also large portions of the Federation are in a very poor condition where crimes are committed actively and willingly and no one gives a ****. Not saying all the Federation is horrendous, not at all. But it is far from this Utopia many people seem to associate it with. And this is why we need cities for our mercs to walk around in/attack (eventually). So we can learn what our faction is really like past the advertisement we get at the beginning when creating our character. Well... that and I to go to an Amarrian city and walk down the golden brick road.



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