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Turtle Hermit Roshi Famous.OTF Only The Famous 29	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:32:00 - [1] - Quote so i run a heavy right but when i play w/ my bros my freind gos 16/7 with 1500+ wp and tops the board while im at 23/5 at third wtf ccp its like i cant even touch them any more no how much i contribute i cant get a high nuf wp total even with tank kills *note my freind usually beats our sqds tanker in wp too
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 741	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:36:00 - [2] - Quote What does your friend use? What does he shoot/kill? What is the equipment you are talking about? Aside from WP values and some K/D detail we know that your Squad Leader isn't as good as your friend as well. Give us a clue here.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 258	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:38:00 - [3] - Quote GOOD Praise those who drop hives uplinks and rep stuff and revive peeps. Bless their glorious WP.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 655	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:41:00 - [4] - Quote Get better. I go 40-0 and still lose to my Logibro in WP sometimes and am totally fine with it. Why would you be mad that somebody is beating you in WP for doing their job? That's pretty selfish of you.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1662	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:44:00 - [5] - Quote If there was less incentive to do logi than do slayer, there would be significantly less logi, and therefore all slayer. This would be boring.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:44:00 - [6] - Quote lol you should be happy that some 1 actually uses drop uplinks and nanohives. When he is helping his team out he deserves those WP.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 243	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:45:00 - [7] - Quote So we're on to nerfing Logi's warpoints? I'm now officially waiting for the Plasma Cannon nerf thread.
D34NOS MAZDA Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 148	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:53:00 - [8] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: so i run a heavy right but when i play w/ my bros my freind gos 16/7 with 1500+ wp and tops the board while im at 23/5 at third wtf ccp its like i cant even touch them any more no how much i contribute i cant get a high nuf wp total even with tank kills *note my freind usually beats our sqds tanker in wp too Please also bear in mind the cost of the logi suit compared to yours. Logi's need to include about and extra 25k isk on an advanced suit and 70k isk on a proto suit just to keep people alive. Most games I will get around 2k+ wp from keeping my squad mates filled with ammo and HP and i get thanked at the end for what i do not moaned at like you are to your corp mate. Also if you are only getting 7 kills more than your logi you really need to improve.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 535	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:55:00 - [9] - Quote as a heavy user im actually fine with our logi bro's getting more WP than me, thats what the logi is there for, repping, reviving, replenishing etc etc
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 636	Posted - 2013.09.23 12:00:00 - [10] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: so i run a heavy right but when i play w/ my bros my freind gos 16/7 with 1500+ wp and tops the board while im at 23/5 at third wtf ccp its like i cant even touch them any more no how much i contribute i cant get a high nuf wp total even with tank kills *note my freind usually beats our sqds tanker in wp too Please, please tell me you are trolling? 10pts for a hive isn't much! 25pts triage isn't much! 60pts for a revive kinda makes sense, kinda! Logis are a force multiplier, therefore there WP will increase per person they support! I tell if you make logi suits useless because of no rewards, then yoh will set this game back years!! This game isn't necessarily about killing, unless you play ambush! You can win a skirmish with no more 30 deaths a side in some cases. Tactics are rewarded not the mindless killing of red dots!! NEW EDEN, where teamwork is awarded and appreciated!

Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1227	Posted - 2013.09.23 12:05:00 - [11] - Quote 40+50+50+50 ... 1-shot a full LAV 150+50+50+50 ... 2-shot a **** tank 100 ... killsteal a turret ... 590 WP in one clip as far as I see it. WTF are you doing wrong?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 636	Posted - 2013.09.23 12:09:00 - [12] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: 40+50+50+50 ... 1-shot a full LAV 150+50+50+50 ... 2-shot a **** tank 100 ... killsteal a turret ... 590 WP in one clip as far as I see it. WTF are you doing wrong? Or 50 hack +50 hack + 50 turret hack + 2+ù kill + 2+ùre kill + 100 obj hack = 450 WP and I din't even use my gun!
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 632	Posted - 2013.09.23 12:16:00 - [13] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: so i run a heavy right but when i play w/ my bros my freind gos 16/7 with 1500+ wp and tops the board while im at 23/5 at third wtf ccp its like i cant even touch them any more no how much i contribute i cant get a high nuf wp total even with tank kills *note my freind usually beats our sqds tanker in wp too A heavies ability to gain WP is limited to it's role, protecting/breaching objectives and hacking. A logi's role is to keep the team well supplied and alive, as we as hack objectives and scan for enemies so they don't overrun you without you knowing anyone is coming. Heavies can and do top the boards all of the time. However a Logi who can manage their role well will always be a competitor for the top spot regardless of how many kills they get. This is a game about helping your team win, and for a Logi that means 10wp at a time for team resupplies, 25wp at a time for repairing allies who are wounded, 25wp per spawned ally on an uplink, etc. This game is all about helping with the team effort and recognizing people for doing the most in that regard, whether it's by kills or by support. Your buddy is a better Logi than you are a heavy. Don't cry about it, get good. Or, if you are that big a baby about it, make a fit with a militia uplink on it at the beginning of the match and toss it out somewhere then switch to your main suit. That way you are helping your team with a mobile spawn location and getting points for it. TL;DR: You are too used to games where slayers get all the attention. Welcome to New Eden.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 43	Posted - 2013.09.23 12:34:00 - [14] - Quote As a heavy I often go 20-3 or whatever and end up behind a logi on, say, 4-3, but I don't think logis get too many points overall. I'd say there are some things they get too many points for, but also some things they get too few points for. Here's a couple of things that get points and shouldn't: (1) Picking people up in the line of fire so they die again. This wastes the time of two team members (my time, because it takes me longer to respawn, and the trollogi's time, because they could be doing something useful instead). To deal with that, I suggest that there is zero WP for revives that result in a death within 5 seconds. (2) Surrounding supply depots with ammo nanohives. Again, this does absolutely nothing for the team, as if you're at a supply depot, you don't need a hive, and means a team member (the trollogi) is wasting time. To deal with that, I suggest zero WP for nanohives within ten metres of a supply depot. On the other hand, I'd also like to see WP for active scanners, more WP for using advanced and proto needles, and maybe more WP for repping. After you make all these changes good logis would end up with more WP than they get now.
Ulme Mees Eesti Leegion 12	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:00:00 - [15] - Quote I usually drop proto repairing nanohives at supply depot, so if blue dot runs to supply and he is wounded he gets instant 70hp/s repair and can fight off the red dots who are coming for the supply depot! Also supply resupplyes slower then my hives!
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 216	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:09:00 - [16] - Quote Uhm, 16/7 is not that far off from 23/5. If they do that while using gear that is far less optimised for killing than yours, they may just as well be doing better than you. Nothing wrong with that. I do get confused when occasionally I see somebody with 0/8 or so topping the scoreboard, but whatever... I still feel that our kills are being rewarded well enough. We don't need to have WP-envy.
Terram Nenokal Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:10:00 - [17] - Quote Your friend is more useful than you are.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1275	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:11:00 - [18] - Quote A heavy complaining about a logi that does logi work.................... My eyes, brain, and soul are burning............
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:12:00 - [19] - Quote what? why do you care he's practically pulling an orbital for your squad....
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2159	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:25:00 - [20] - Quote Ulme Mees wrote: I usually drop proto repairing nanohives at supply depot, so if blue dot runs to supply and he is wounded he gets instant 70hp/s repair and can fight off the red dots who are coming for the supply depot! Also supply resupplyes slower then my hives! I often drop triage hives next to a supply depot too.

Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1756	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:31:00 - [21] - Quote Skihids wrote: Ulme Mees wrote: I usually drop proto repairing nanohives at supply depot, so if blue dot runs to supply and he is wounded he gets instant 70hp/s repair and can fight off the red dots who are coming for the supply depot! Also supply resupplyes slower then my hives! I often drop triage hives next to a supply depot too. Good idea because if his armor is low, your hive will repair him, and since he is next to a depot he doesn't have to wait until he's healed to get more ammo as well. Win win for the merc that gets there.
Beck Weathers High-Damage 118	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:04:00 - [22] - Quote I work hard EVER match to keep not just my own squad suplied and reped but sometimes the entire team if im one of the only true logibros on field (assault logis wont put away their gun in a fire fight to rep a heavy like we will)
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 2643	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:07:00 - [23] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: so i run a heavy right but when i play w/ my bros my freind gos 16/7 with 1500+ wp and tops the board while im at 23/5 at third wtf ccp its like i cant even touch them any more no how much i contribute i cant get a high nuf wp total even with tank kills *note my freind usually beats our sqds tanker in wp too Can someone translate? All I read is QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
Shattered Mirage native warlords 302	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:14:00 - [24] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Tactics are rewarded not the mindless killing of red dots!! NEW EDEN, where teamwork is awarded and appreciated! Its exactly the opposite case.
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 743	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: -- snip QQ from so so Heavy -- Can someone translate? All I read is QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ What help? You got it right on the money.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3076	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:51:00 - [26] - Quote ITT: People butt-hurt about not being top on the list when all they can do is kill.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 658	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:55:00 - [27] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Tactics are rewarded not the mindless killing of red dots!! NEW EDEN, where teamwork is awarded and appreciated! Its exactly the opposite case. I didn't say betrayal and debauchery weren't valid tactics! Beside why not awox as a squad?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 315	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:00:00 - [28] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: so i run a heavy right but when i play w/ my bros my freind gos 16/7 with 1500+ wp and tops the board while im at 23/5 at third wtf ccp its like i cant even touch them any more no how much i contribute i cant get a high nuf wp total even with tank kills *note my freind usually beats our sqds tanker in wp too Really? Equipment helps the team more than your "pewpewpew" play style ever could. How about when you run out of ammo and there is no Supply Depot? How about when you have 2 Armor remaining and you need reps BAD?
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1186	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:06:00 - [29] - Quote Puts on shades Deal with it
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 136	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:34:00 - [30] - Quote War points are the only thing that prevent people from forgetting support based units. It's a good thing that they get rewarded more.



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