DUST Search - Tankers- mabe high ISK cost for tanks= high KDR

straya fox wrote:

gbghg wrote:

I've gone 20/0 in a dropship before, and I know of plenty pilots who have done likewise if not better than that, does that mean I'm paying for my K/DR? (It's 1.37 btw) and do you know how I got that score? The enemy team fielded no AV, the only time you will see vehicles get a score like that is in one of two situations, the pilot plays smart making good use of friendly infantry to deal with AV and to protect the tank, that OP thing known as teamwork (OMG right?) and in matches where the red berries don't field AV, those are the only cases where vehicles get high K/DR's.

It's a simple fact that infantry can consistently field high scores at a much better ISK efficiency than a vehicle can, and everyone knows it's true, there's all this focus on the one or two matches where a tank stomps the enemy team, but none on the dozen matches where he's forced to withdraw or gets annihilated by enemy AV, and the even more numerous matches where he gets stomped on repeatedly due to the fact that most if not all of his sp is in vehicles skills and the infantry players get to use him as target practice as a result.

This whole paying for K/DR argument in regard to tanks is a load of BS, if want to have that argument go complain to the proto pub stompers, there the ones padding their K/DR with ISK.

hmm im thinking you did not read the whole thread, mabe check out my thoughts through out this thread.

straya fox wrote:

Just saying mabe u guys are just paying for your KDR..[/quote

[quoe=straya fox][quoe=straya fox

Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills.[/quote

I understand that you'r one of the better tankers void, but within those 5-10 matches where you lose only 1 tank you rack up a huge amount of kills without loss. What I'm trying to say in response to the many 'turrets and hulls cost to much threads' ,is mabe you guys are paying for that KDR.[/quote

[quoe=straya fox]

Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails...[/quote

And then on page 3 you change tack to

[qute=straya fox]
Forgive me man, i did not mean to imply that tankers are paying large sums of ISK purely for KDR as opposed to paying for a game style that they enjoy. I am just trying to point out that tanks are destructive and dominating on the battlefield and ( in my opinion) are worth the high cost involved in running one. There needs to be some drawback to running these beasts and i think the high ISK cost is doing a pretty good job of it.


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gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3505	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:12:00 - [1] - Quote I've gone 20/0 in a dropship before, and I know of plenty pilots who have done likewise if not better than that, does that mean I'm paying for my K/DR? (It's 1.37 btw) and do you know how I got that score? The enemy team fielded no AV, the only time you will see vehicles get a score like that is in one of two situations, the pilot plays smart making good use of friendly infantry to deal with AV and to protect the tank, that OP thing known as teamwork (OMG right?) and in matches where the red berries don't field AV, those are the only cases where vehicles get high K/DR's. It's a simple fact that infantry can consistently field high scores at a much better ISK efficiency than a vehicle can, and everyone knows it's true, there's all this focus on the one or two matches where a tank stomps the enemy team, but none on the dozen matches where he's forced to withdraw or gets annihilated by enemy AV, and the even more numerous matches where he gets stomped on repeatedly due to the fact that most if not all of his sp is in vehicles skills and the infantry players get to use him as target practice as a result. This whole paying for K/DR argument in regard to tanks is a load of BS, if want to have that argument go complain to the proto pub stompers, there the ones padding their K/DR with ISK.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3505	Posted - 2013.09.23 12:02:00 - [2] - Quote straya fox wrote: gbghg wrote: I've gone 20/0 in a dropship before, and I know of plenty pilots who have done likewise if not better than that, does that mean I'm paying for my K/DR? (It's 1.37 btw) and do you know how I got that score? The enemy team fielded no AV, the only time you will see vehicles get a score like that is in one of two situations, the pilot plays smart making good use of friendly infantry to deal with AV and to protect the tank, that OP thing known as teamwork (OMG right?) and in matches where the red berries don't field AV, those are the only cases where vehicles get high K/DR's. It's a simple fact that infantry can consistently field high scores at a much better ISK efficiency than a vehicle can, and everyone knows it's true, there's all this focus on the one or two matches where a tank stomps the enemy team, but none on the dozen matches where he's forced to withdraw or gets annihilated by enemy AV, and the even more numerous matches where he gets stomped on repeatedly due to the fact that most if not all of his sp is in vehicles skills and the infantry players get to use him as target practice as a result. This whole paying for K/DR argument in regard to tanks is a load of BS, if want to have that argument go complain to the proto pub stompers, there the ones padding their K/DR with ISK. hmm im thinking you did not read the whole thread, mabe check out my thoughts through out this thread. I did, for the majority of the thread you have maintained that tankers pay ISK for their K/DR, here's some examples. straya fox wrote: Just saying mabe u guys are just paying for your KDR..[/quote [quoe=straya fox][quoe=straya fox Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills.[/quote I understand that you'r one of the better tankers void, but within those 5-10 matches where you lose only 1 tank you rack up a huge amount of kills without loss. What I'm trying to say in response to the many 'turrets and hulls cost to much threads' ,is mabe you guys are paying for that KDR.[/quote [quoe=straya fox] Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails...[/quote And then on page 3 you change tack to [qute=straya fox] Forgive me man, i did not mean to imply that tankers are paying large sums of ISK purely for KDR as opposed to paying for a game style that they enjoy. I am just trying to point out that tanks are destructive and dominating on the battlefield and ( in my opinion) are worth the high cost involved in running one. There needs to be some drawback to running these beasts and i think the high ISK cost is doing a pretty good job of it. Thats a fair enough view and you should have started with it, would have stopped that knee jerk reaction every tanker got when he read the first page. Now in my post I pointed out that I've gone 20/0 in a dropship before, now following the logic you used I would be paying ISK to get that many kills since that fit costs 900k ISK. I also pointed out that you will only see scores like that in two situations, where the enemy team is incompetent and doesn't field AV, and when the tanker is running with a squad that works well together and they successfully counter the enemy AV.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3510	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:06:00 - [3] - Quote An people missed the point of my example, I used it to demo state how flawed the OP's logic is, not anything about dropships in particular. You missed the other part of my post as well, vehicles are a force multiplier, unless the other team us totally incompetent the vehicle will only be as effective as the team it plays with. Unless a tank has decent infantry supporting it the effect it will have on the match will be reduces and the threat enemy av poses will increase. Oh and btw the whole idea of balancing by isk is very flawed, titans are a perfect example of that, no need to repeat the lesson.