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demonkiller 12
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:04:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:I apologize, I understand that there are multiple variables at play such as: Player skill, terrain, and other factors. However, I want everyone to take a step back and look at this question at its most basic form: Do you think a player fully speced into Proto AV should be able to solo a tank
only if one meta is higher than the other, if a meta 7 AV takes a meta 6 or under tank then yes, soloing should be an option - through skill and determination, not by rediculous damage, but if AV is meta 7 and tank is meta 7 the tank should be very capable at mitigating said threat and only be worried about multiple meta 7 AVers |
demonkiller 12
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:05:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:i think you cant balance based on that question
a bad tanker will always lose to a solo wykomi
a good tanker will always live
idealy... what about a good tanker vs a good solo av?
then the tanker would be smart enough to recall, if not then hes not a good tanker or just doesnt care about isk |
demonkiller 12
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:08:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:not if your tank is a fully proto tank. But the only problem one costs 3 million sp to max out, while as tanks can cost 6-10 million sp to become godly. and even then your still to weak A tank is pretty much the body and weapon for a tank pilot. When the tank is destroyed, the pilot is pretty much useless unless he specced into a good suit as well. In which case would be higher than 10 million sp. As a heavy myself, my forge gun and dropsuit are "one" and to survive and use the weapon, it takes more than 3 million sp to max. I'm already at 13 million and still not maxed. 98% of my sp are solely on forge gun and dropsuit skills with only 500,000 SP's on HMG skills. So no. It doesn't take only 3 million to skill into av.
You're right, it only costs me about 650k sp to skill into proto AV lvl5 operation + lvl1 proficiency
I can solo any tank my 3mil sp av alt comes across - putting more SP into av after said 650k only makes it easier, i feel sorry for tankers that come across morte and taz rocking packed laidais and wyrkomis/ proto forges |
demonkiller 12
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:14:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Do you think a player fully speced into Proto AV should be able to solo a tank One person specced to proto AV should be able to solo a tank when it is vulnerable. i.e. is in its cool down phase; which would be when it is patrolling away from the battle and coming around for another pass or when it just sits there in the heat of the battle long enough to get extra shots on it. A skilled AVer ought to have to be smart about where to plant themselves or catch the tank when it's down and not just sit on a roof and pelt a tank to death as it passes with its mods running. They should have to hunt the tank. Only a dedicated group of say 3 or more should be able to so easily down a tank when its mods are running. The tank changes detailed in the dev post would or should make this happen. Tanks will be temporarily powerful then have to patrol around and rep or recoup and then re-enter the fight. A tank being dead or alive shouldn't be the focus of the power of a solo AV but rather to force the tank to retreat out of battle. Just so I understand you correctly, 1. When a tanks mods are activate, the tanker should be reasonably unaffected by one Proto AV player\ 2. Terrain placement is necessary for AV players 3. If the Proto AV wants to kill the tank, he should thus have to leave his comfort zone and hunt the tank. 4. At least three AV to slay a tank with Mods active 5. AV is more about containing the tank away fro hot zone, rather then outright slaying the tank. Now lets put the original question on hold and move towards the containment aspect of AV. Should a Proto AV player be able to individually contain a tank
really thought it already takes more than 1 proto AV user to kill a good tank, as soon as you start taking swarm/forge/av damage pop on those hardners and wallah you have 60% damage resist, i cant say a single proto av user has ever or will ever kill my tanks unless i get lag and am unable to turn my modules on and retreat, i really dont have a problem with the way it currently is, sure invis swarms are annoying, but hay if you want to nerf av and buff tanks, im cool with that too  |
demonkiller 12
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:16:00 -
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Evane Sa'edi wrote:You don't need full spec AV due to the changes in Swarm Launchers from 1.4 - I can now get three flights of 6 missiles in the air as quickly as I can lock to target (a base damage of 5940) increased by skill and damage mods. I have 14+ million sp & have not max'd the AV skills. 
and then we cut 60% off that 6k damage |
demonkiller 12
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:21:00 -
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GVGMODE wrote:Assuming at some point we will get advanced, prototype level tanks and the price of each piece of AV increases to be proportional of that of the tank level.
A tank with NO modules...
1 PRO AV vs MLT tank: YES
1 PRO AV vs STD tank: YES
1 PRO AV vs ENFORCER tank: YES
A tank with MLT modules...
1 PRO AV vs MLT tank: YES
1 PRO AV vs STD tank: YES
1 PRO AV vs ENFORCER tank: YES
A tank with STD modules...
1 PRO AV vs MLT tank: YES
1 PRO AV vs STD tank: YES
1 PRO AV vs ENFORCER tank: YES
A tank with ADV modules...
1 PRO AV vs MLT tank: YES, it should take some effort.
1 PRO AV vs STD tank: ES, it should take some effort.
1 PRO AV vs ENFORCER tank: ES, it should take some effort.
A tank with PRO modules...
1 PRO AV vs MLT tank: YES, it shold be hard.
1 PRO AV vs STD tank: YES, it shold be hard.
1 PRO AV vs ENFORCER tank: YES, it shold be hard.
enforcer tanks takes less effort to kill than a std regular tank since theyre are just plain weaker, also enforcers are std tanks |
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