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ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:50:00 -
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I started this in a GD thread. I wanted for others to look at the video and for anyone to come out saying they've seen this before.
Original Thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1319578#post1319578
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOTmiA0p-s
Unfortunately, I was not capturing sound, so you cannot hear how fast this MD is firing, but I heard it throughout the game. It is the reason I started capping and hunted the merc down doing the firing to get this footage.
In the video, 5 shots are fired all day. The 4th shot is the one that kills me. shots 1, 2, and 3 take place in under a second.
It's hard to see the 3rd shot because it is behind my rifle, look closely at the smoke trails. You'll notice that at 22m away, his second shot has left the barrel before his first shot impacts.
To really get a since of how fast he is firing, notice my health decrease. Look at the numbers, not the bar. You will notice 3 distinctive drops in quick succession.
I've only ever seen this happen in this game. If I see it again, I will cap video and get sound next time. |
Moorian Flav
Ectype Inc.
59
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Posted - 2013.09.21 03:52:00 -
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I saw this happen with a forge gun too a couple days ago. Fortunately, I hadn't seen it since. |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
236
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Posted - 2013.09.21 06:13:00 -
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It's actually really hard to see the third shot, in fact I couldn't see it at all until I downloaded the video. I used frame advance and really only noticed the damage you took(watch the numbers, not the bars).
It doesn't look like lag though. I have an idea of what might be happening but I don't want to post it on the forum. I will test it out tomorrow. |
Neo Corvinus
Fenris Fangs Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:32:00 -
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This is reproducible. I've seen the same player in this video in a different match with the faster than normal rate of fire on mass driver. Its not lag or lag switching as people are trying to blame it on in the other thread. My thoughts: either its an exploit available with programmable controller/KB-M, glitch related to the weapon switch bugs going on right now, or both.
Needless to say, spot Izanagi izanami in an ambush match using MD till this is fixed? You're better off staying clear of him or just leaving. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
243
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:13:00 -
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Massive lol, its the assault md and concerning the fg comment that is also an assault fg.
This game runs on a dedicated server not client based so its almost impossible to cheat and if someone managed to cheat it would be recognised very quickly.
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Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
236
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:32:00 -
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It clearly says EXO-5 Mass Driver on the kill screen and in any case the Assault MD doesn't fire that fast either. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
243
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:17:00 -
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Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video, I can assure you it's basically impossible to cheat and if he actually somehow was he will already be banned. |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
77
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:42:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Massive lol,
TechMechMeds wrote:Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
244
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:53:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Massive lol,
TechMechMeds wrote:Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video.
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Your attempt to make me look stupid fails as none of the people on this thread understand how the server works lol carry on |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
244
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:04:00 -
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Ok I watched it now, looks like he fires 3 fp shots and finishes with an md shot, or your just lagging. |
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ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
77
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:18:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Massive lol,
TechMechMeds wrote:Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video.
.... Your attempt to make me look stupid fails as none of the people on this thread understand how the server works lol carry on
Maybe you can learn us all something. What component do you think was responsible for our connection issues Friday night? And if you were CCP, how would you remediate?
TechMechMeds wrote:Ok I watched it now, looks like he fires 3 fp shots and finishes with an md shot, or your just lagging.
My just lagging? That doesn't make since. Not sure how I can possess 'just lagging' but since you're smarter than the rest of the people on this thread, I have to believe that you didn't mean "you're just lagging".
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ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
77
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:27:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ok I watched it now, looks like he fires 3 fp shots and finishes with an md shot...
Maybe you're right. Your powers of observation are remarkable. I don't think anyone would've caught the fact that the dude had a sidearm in a callogi suite. You should start a new bug thread.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Beyond Hypothetical Box
169
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:45:00 -
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OK, I saw 3 shots fired in short rate of fire. Movie not look like fake either(we can easily compare in-game time with out-game). The last thing I noticed was that you were killed by Japanese guy, could you tell us from what part of world are you playing and what is your in game region set to?
PS Big + for video of that thing. |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:49:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:OK, I saw 3 shots fired in short rate of fire. Movie not look like fake either(we can easily compare in-game time with out-game). The last thing I noticed was that you were killed by Japanese guy, could you tell us from what part of world are you playing and what is your in game region set to?
PS Big + for video of that thing.
South U.S. Server set to auto.
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Beld Errmon
Evocatius
870
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Posted - 2013.09.23 04:20:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote: Your attempt to make me look stupid fails as none of the people on this thread understand how the server works lol carry on
No, you didn't need any help with that. douche on buddy. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
247
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:57:00 -
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I apologise, I was watching it on my phone, yes that is crazy. I have to ask, wtf are you on about my lagging? I didn't put that.
Again I apologise, iv watched it on a bigger screen and that is crazy. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
247
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:00:00 -
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If your referring to my grammar then I say this.
This is a game forum, not a business proposition or application for promotion, good day. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
247
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:07:00 -
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Yeah it has to be lag. |
Kaze Eyrou
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
367
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Posted - 2013.09.24 15:47:00 -
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ratamaq doc: I still hold to my original edumacated guess of it being lag. One more thing I noted that you also brought up is that the player is most likely from Japan (noting the character name and corp name).
However, after reviewing it a couple more times, the lag seems to be on his end, which unfortunately is "normal".
Here's what I mean. Japan connects to TQ from a much larger distance away than you and I (you being South US and I being East). I have also seen this as well versus Japanese players. My guess is that Japan connects to TQ (Japan to Iceland) and then relayed to you (Iceland to US) and back and forth again. The latency and connections must travel 3/4 of the way around the world before making the trek back again.
I can only draw on my rudimentary knowledge of the basics I learned about computers but I believe that may be the general gist of it. However, I do acknowledge that I could be wrong. I hope someone more knowledgeable about this subject can interject with sciences and maths. [:D]
I do want to correct myself on what I said originally on your original post. I had thought that there was the "running in place" effect the first time watching the video which led me to deduce lag on your end. After watching it again and after these post, again on another computer, I guess the first pass was the video stuttering.
Also, I did note that it was an EXO-5 and not the Assault MD variants and I believe the Assault MD doesn't fire that fast either so I'm with you there.
Anyways, imma step aside. Hopefully a Dev can comment on the video and explain what's going on behind the scenes. |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:47:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:ratamaq doc: I still hold to my original edumacated guess of it being lag. One more thing I noted that you also brought up is that the player is most likely from Japan (noting the character name and corp name).
However, after reviewing it a couple more times, the lag seems to be on his end, which unfortunately is "normal".
Here's what I mean. Japan connects to TQ from a much larger distance away than you and I (you being South US and I being East). I have also seen this as well versus Japanese players. My guess is that Japan connects to TQ (Japan to Iceland) and then relayed to you (Iceland to US) and back and forth again. The latency and connections must travel 3/4 of the way around the world before making the trek back again.
I can only draw on my rudimentary knowledge of the basics I learned about computers but I believe that may be the general gist of it. However, I do acknowledge that I could be wrong. I hope someone more knowledgeable about this subject can interject with sciences and maths. [:D]
I do want to correct myself on what I said originally on your original post. I had thought that there was the "running in place" effect the first time watching the video which led me to deduce lag on your end. After watching it again and after these post, again on another computer, I guess the first pass was the video stuttering.
Also, I did note that it was an EXO-5 and not the Assault MD variants and I believe the Assault MD doesn't fire that fast either so I'm with you there.
Anyways, imma step aside. Hopefully a Dev can comment on the video and explain what's going on behind the scenes.
I hear you. Being an IT professional, I'm also more than aware of the latency that speed of light limitations can cause. My leaning to the thought that this could be a reproducible glitch is the fact that in a year of playing this game, I'd never seen, or more importantly heard this before. The guy was doing it all game, and I heard it from both up close and distance.
Since I shot this video I did see it one more time when I snuck up behind a MD user and he started jumping and shooting frantically. It was only two rapid shots then, and I wasn't hearing it all game.
I'm not to worried about it at this point, if it were a glitch that was easy to repetitively reproduce, (like the melee glitch) it would be more wide spread. Like someone else posted, it could've been a modded/programmable controller with a macro simulating something to the effect of Fire, sprint, grenade, swap, fire, which would be near impossible to reproduce by hand.
At any rate, mine was only 1 example. If it becomes a problem, more will use it, more will see it and complain. Then the Devs would take notice.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
174
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:15:00 -
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Neo Corvinus wrote:This is reproducible. I've seen the same player in this video in a different match with the faster than normal rate of fire on mass driver. Its not lag or lag switching as people are trying to blame it on in the other thread. My thoughts: either its an exploit available with programmable controller/KB-M, glitch related to the weapon switch bugs going on right now, or both.
Needless to say, spot Izanagi izanami in an ambush match using MD till this is fixed? You're better off staying clear of him or just leaving.
Ditto. Seen same player doing it multiple occasions. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
452
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:02:00 -
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Damn that's crazy hope CCP SEES IT |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
74
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:24:00 -
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I've seen the same player do it, my CEO was saying that there were alot of people using MDs one ambush on cargo hub. Turns out it was one guy (the one mentioned on the first page) burst shooting a MD, I was a heavy turned a corner to the supply depot came face to face with this guy and saw the 3 different md rounds coming all at once and immediately backed off. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
TIRANNY OF EVIL MEN
62
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Massive lol, its the assault md and concerning the fg comment that is also an assault fg.
This game runs on a dedicated server not client based so its almost impossible to cheat and if someone managed to cheat it would be recognised very quickly.
Na, your completely wrong, not going to say how here and now but this is a glitch,, its been done more as of late..... |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
332
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:13:00 -
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LOL at the guy saying its impossible to cheat! A well known group of dust hackers / cheaters what ever you like to call them have already claimed responsibility along with a host of other exploits they can achieve.
Yes its impossible to cheat or game the system.... ha right. |
abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 05:43:00 -
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Its not a bug. It still does less dps than your assault rifle. He is using the assault Mass driver which is the Fastest firing of all of them. Most people Use the Exo 5 M/D which has a slightly slower fire rate because it does more damage. perhaps You just didnt know that they have different firing rates because your not skilled into them.
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abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:02:00 -
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I stand corrected.
What he did was shoot a mass driver at the end of a clip started to reload switched to a flaylock pistol causing the Mass driver to have a full clip When he switched back to it because of a weird reloading glitch with the mass driver.
Basically when your reloading you switch weapons when one bullet has gone into your mass driver. when you switch back it has finished reloading without actually taking the time do it because its reloading passively while you are actively firing another weapon He is exploiting it but its not actually the gun firing super fast. |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:40:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:Its not a bug. It still does less dps than your assault rifle. He is using the assault Mass driver which is the Fastest firing of all of them. Most people Use the Exo 5 M/D which has a slightly slower fire rate because it does more damage. perhaps You just didnt know that they have different firing rates because your not skilled into them.
Also using a modded controller would be useless with a mass driver because
Rpm is 75.00
75 divided by 60 is 1.25
That means he shoot 1.25 rounds a second. it took you 3 seconds to die he shot 4 bullets.
THE MATH DOES NOT LIE!
Idiots
If you cant pull your trigger 2 times in a second you should Quit this game and go play my little pony these people are idiots?
watch the damn video it clearly states 'NEO' logistics G-I and exo-5 mass driver |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
253
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:01:00 -
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I love how people aren't actually looking at the kill screen of the video. |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
91
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:49:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:abarkrishna wrote:Its not a bug. It still does less dps than your assault rifle. He is using the assault Mass driver which is the Fastest firing of all of them. Most people Use the Exo 5 M/D which has a slightly slower fire rate because it does more damage. perhaps You just didnt know that they have different firing rates because your not skilled into them.
Also using a modded controller would be useless with a mass driver because
Rpm is 75.00
75 divided by 60 is 1.25
That means he shoot 1.25 rounds a second. it took you 3 seconds to die he shot 4 bullets.
THE MATH DOES NOT LIE!
Idiots
If you cant pull your trigger 2 times in a second you should Quit this game and go play my little pony these people are idiots? watch the damn video it clearly states 'NEO' logistics G-I and exo-5 mass driver
Thank you. Love the people trying to use the flaylock as a possible explanation also. 'Neo' LOGISTICS G-1 as in doesn't have a side arm.
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Jacques Cayton II
Caldari Protectorate United
23
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:41:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video, I can assure you it's basically impossible to cheat and if he actually somehow was he will already be banned. So explain the problem back when tac ar's were shooting faster than reg ar's with the use of ar's and now the rof is really low, givin it took them two months to notice this glitch |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1804
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:49:00 -
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op is on crack /thread |
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