Villore GÇô A study commissioned by the Senate Committee for Equal Rights has found no evidence for institutional discrimination against those of Minmatar descent. The investigation was conducted following a rising number of claims from Minmatar immigrants that they had faced widespread intolerance in the Federation, particularly in the aftermath of the Broteau Shootings.

GÇ£While the committee discovered incidents of discrimination against individuals of all racial and ethnic backgrounds, including those of Minmatar descent, these cases appeared to be isolated and were swiftly resolved once brought to the attention of authorities,GÇ¥ the report concluded. GÇ£Equality and dignity for all races, religions, genders, sexual orientations, and philosophies is a core ideal of the Federation. The people of the Federation have not deviated from this ideal.GÇ¥

While the majority of the Senate have hailed the report as vindicatory, some have criticized it for faulty methodology. GÇ£The investigation only looked at those incidents which were reported,GÇ¥ said Asbran Eleskar, a junior Minmatar Senator from Sinq Laison. GÇ£Thousands of incidents go unreported every day. If a Minmatar is denied a job over a less qualified Gallente, do they realize this to report it? If a rentor asks a Minmatar for proof of employment, but doesn't for the Intaki, will a complaint be filed? This simplistic study is maybe even more damaging than silence.GÇ¥

Senator Traude Bonailles, a member of the Equal Rights Committee, dismissed the concerns of Senator Eleskar. GÇ£I can assure you the study was comprehensive. We did not simply base our findings on public reports. We were thorough and I am confident in the validity of the study.GÇ¥


((Finally, some lore news again!))

So the Federation has done "thorough" investigation that finds the Federation isn't subjugating the Matari?

lololol. Just more hurf. blurf and lies. Typical Federation propaganda. the only reason the Gallente are rendering aid to the Matari is to just have more bodies in their factories and shopping malls. They don't actually care about them as a people.

We do, or at least most educated people that are not totally backward in their teachings by the mass media, who depicts the Matar in a less than flattering persona.

Though I digress, you Amarr care even less about them. Some Amarr do not even consider them people.

Some Gallente consider the Matari less than people.

The core tenets of our society support them a lot more than yours do.

The core tenets of our society are to allow them to join our society, same as yours. Yours only benefit in the short term, our the long term.

So how many Minmatar would prefer to live under you?
I can guarantee you the vast majority of them would much prefer to live in the Gallente Federation than in your empire.
And who are you to decide what's better for a people in the long run?

If only because you use sleazy tricks to manipulate them. You know full well the Minmatar people will never be allowed to move up the ladder of success in the Gallente Federation, where as freed Minmatar in the Amarr Empire are already making a name for themselves.

Well two Matari tribes chose to remain so their populations may well be counted amongst those Matari who would stay.

Only one tribe joined you willingly, the Nefantar, who then became the Ammatar. However many of their people left when the Elders attacked and are living amongst their brother and sister Matari as we speak.

((official/unofficial records of the Nefantar and the one for all the Tribes.))

I'm certain that if an Amarrian were raised among Minmatar he/she would favor the Minmatar as well. Being raised in that atmosphere proves nothing, as that may be all they have ever known.

If only because you use sleazy tricks to manipulate them. You know full well the Minmatar people will never be allowed to move up the ladder of success in the Gallente Federation, where as freed Minmatar in the Amarr Empire are already making a name for themselves.

Could you name one of these people who are apparently 'making a name for themselves'?
And for extra credit explain what 'sleazy tricks' we're using to subvert them from being wannabe slaves?

I could dredge up the many names of Holders and the other pious that have earned their freedom from the Book of Records, or find a census of those who govern the Ammatar Mandate. A child of God is a child of God.

And how is numbing your workers with sin and debauchery not sleazy? So what if you give them money. They have to spend every penny they make toiling away for your elite on food and rent, with just enough left over to numb themselves into complacency.

The difference between Amarrian slavery and Gallente slavery is that the Amarr actually free their slaves. The Gallente oligarchy couldn't stand the hit to their bottom line.

Some Gallente consider the Matari less than people.

I concur, very excellent wording to that response Disciple of Kesha.

I could dredge up the many names of Holders and the other pious that have earned their freedom from the Book of Records, or find a census of those who govern the Ammatar Mandate. A child of God is a child of God.

And how is numbing your workers with sin and debauchery not sleazy? So what if you give them money. They have to spend every penny they make toiling away for your elite on food and rent, with just enough left over to numb themselves into complacency.

The difference between Amarrian slavery and Gallente slavery is that the Amarr actually free their slaves. The Gallente oligarchy couldn't stand the hit to their bottom line.

Numbing our workers with sin and debauchery? What? Do you even listen to what we proclaim? There is a difference between something being mandatory and something being allowed. The Federation allows what some consider to be immoral, such as drugs and the like. It is not forced or even encouraged. It is up to the person to decide what is right for them, not the government. The fact you even think that the government is trying to "keep the people down" and what not is not only misguided, but absurd.

So the countless adverts displaying the libertine lifestyles that are so adept at turning a profit isn't actually encouraging those lifestyles? I'm sure the police aren't out there making sure everyone has had their quota of drugs or sex, the mechanisms ensuring compliance are far more insidious.

Few will pass up the vices espoused as fun by Gallente "culture" lest they are called a prude or a teetotaller. Gallente culture is dedicated to pleasure and complacency.

The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free.

If the Empire has been having greater reforms than your Federation you must at least suspect you are being played in a great farce.

So the countless adverts displaying the libertine lifestyles that are so adept at turning a profit isn't actually encouraging those lifestyles? I'm sure the police aren't out there making sure everyone has had their quota of drugs or sex, the mechanisms ensuring compliance are far more insidious.

Few will pass up the vices espoused as fun by Gallente "culture" lest they are called a prude or a teetotaller. Gallente culture is dedicated to pleasure and complacency.

The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free.

If the Empire has been having greater reforms than your Federation you must at least suspect you are being played in a great farce.

I was speaking of the government, Kesha. Surely the adverts to advertise the vices, certainly. Again, it is up to the person to decide to whether to indulge or not.

The Gallente Federation is famous for allowing such acts, yes. Whether it is "dedicated" to it is up to perception.

All of that was simply rambling. There was no meat in that statement in the slightest; it was the regurgitation of the propaganda that is fed to you.

I was speaking of the government, Kesha. Surely the adverts to advertise the vices, certainly. Again, it is up to the person to decide to whether to indulge or not.

The Gallente Federation is famous for allowing such acts, yes. Whether it is "dedicated" to it is up to perception.

All of that was simply rambling. There was no meat in that statement in the slightest; it was the regurgitation of the propaganda that is fed to you.

I find it sadly humorous that you actually think that there is a distinction between the government and the major businesses that finance campaigns. Everything is bought and sold in the Federation - especially votes. The separation between business and government is purely semantic.

Has anyone else wondered why the Gallente have reignited their hypocritical campaign against the Caldari? Surely it has everything to do with hollow cries of freedom and nothing to do with the fact that Jucus Roden, an arms dealer with ties to the military-industrial complex, has taken power.

Profit is king and he rules the Gallente. Whether by contract, handshake, or just implicit agreement those that are rich and powerful in the Federation are seeking to just become more rich and powerful. I am truly sorry that you fight for such system, but Gallente 'freedom' is just fiction from serpentine tongues.

I find it convenient that you forget that Jacus was elected into office after the war started.

When someone can't come up with any other counter argument other than claiming it is nothing more than propaganda, you know you have won the argument. Carry on, Xavier has nothing worthy of argument.

Excuse me?What I said was that his statement:

"The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free. "

has no merit. It does not, for it is just a rambling paragraph with nothing behind it. You pick and choose the wrongs of our society, which we have done, and our imperfections, which we are, and seem to believe that we personify all of that.

"The Gallente leadership are in control"

Oh, really? They are our leaders after all.

Of course, if you mean advertisement and propaganda, then that is a leap of faith. There is simply no way you could prove that our government controls what we see and tries to influence us on such a scale. If you could, there would be outcry. Outrage.

"when was the last time there was any real reform?"

For what, exactly? Discrimination? There was this investigation, right here. Apparently they are not as widespread as they appear. However, an independent group to research this would be phenomenal, in my opinion.

"The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free."

How do you even come up with this? This statement is but a string of words. They have no merit, no meaning. All just ways to defame our society. Different perspectives lead to different opinions. How you came up with this one, is understandable, for far to a extreme.

And about the propaganda, I have read some of them. The "sermons". They talk about about we server "self-interest" and how we are "selfish". I am also certain that what Kesha brought up, such as the "corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy" is in there somewhere.

I find it convenient that you forget that Jacus was elected into office after the war started.

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Excuse me?What I said was that his statement:

"The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free. "

has no merit. It does not, for it is just a rambling paragraph with nothing behind it. You pick and choose the wrongs of our society, which we have done, and our imperfections, which we are, and seem to believe that we personify all of that.

(You miss my point. I hold no personal grudges against any Gallentean. I do not believe that Gallenteans are inherently evil or corrupt. I admire the bravery of your people show for standing before the might of the Empire, for it must be no easy choice to make. It's just that the ideals you espouse are based in lies. I seek to save you; but if I can't save you we can at least save some of your people by razing the oligarchy you call a federation and re-educating those we can.)

"The Gallente leadership are in control"

Oh, really? They are our leaders after all.

Of course, if you mean advertisement and propaganda, then that is a leap of faith. There is simply no way you could prove that our government controls what we see and tries to influence us on such a scale. If you could, there would be outcry. Outrage.

(maybe some would cry out - but the major players already have their lobbyists working in plain sight, and the people are played like puppets between your voting blocs. )
"when was the last time there was any real reform?"

For what, exactly? Discrimination? There was this investigation, right here. Apparently they are not as widespread as they appear. However, an independent group to research this would be phenomenal, in my opinion.

"The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free."

How do you even come up with this? This statement is but a string of words. They have no merit, no meaning. All just ways to defame our society. Different perspectives lead to different opinions. How you came up with this one, is understandable, for far to a extreme.

And about the propaganda, I have read some of them. The "sermons". They talk about about we server "self-interest" and how we are "selfish". I am also certain that what Kesha brought up, such as the "corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy" is in there somewhere.
(So philosophical arguments hold no merit or meaning? Any ideas that run contrary to yours are just meaningless strings of words? Every year the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer while legions of lobbyists just push through more bills to serve their patron company's bottom line. how much more self serving can you get?)

(maybe some would cry out - but the major players already have their lobbyists working in plain sight, and the people are played like puppets between your voting blocs. )

(So philosophical arguments hold no merit or meaning? Any ideas that run contrary to yours are just meaningless strings of words? Every year the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer while legions of lobbyists just push through more bills to serve their patron company's bottom line. how much more self serving can you get?)

[quote=Disciple Of Kesha](maybe some would cry out - but the major players already have their lobbyists working in plain sight, and the people are played like puppets between your voting blocs. )