DUST Search - Senate report: No evidence of widespread discrimination against Minmatar

Disciple Of Kesha wrote:

Xavier Hastings wrote:

Numbing our workers with sin and debauchery? What? Do you even listen to what we proclaim? There is a difference between something being mandatory and something being allowed. The Federation allows what some consider to be immoral, such as drugs and the like. It is not forced or even encouraged. It is up to the person to decide what is right for them, not the government. The fact you even think that the government is trying to "keep the people down" and what not is not only misguided, but absurd.

So the countless adverts displaying the libertine lifestyles that are so adept at turning a profit isn't actually encouraging those lifestyles? I'm sure the police aren't out there making sure everyone has had their quota of drugs or sex, the mechanisms ensuring compliance are far more insidious.

Few will pass up the vices espoused as fun by Gallente "culture" lest they are called a prude or a teetotaller. Gallente culture is dedicated to pleasure and complacency.

The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free.

If the Empire has been having greater reforms than your Federation you must at least suspect you are being played in a great farce.


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Xavier Hastings ZionTCD 318	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:43:00 - [1] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Some Gallente consider the Matari less than people. Some people are heartless bastards. It is unfortunate. Aero Yassavi wrote: I concur, very excellent wording to that response Disciple of Kesha. Great, now I must comment on it... Disciple Of Kesha wrote: I could dredge up the many names of Holders and the other pious that have earned their freedom from the Book of Records, or find a census of those who govern the Ammatar Mandate. A child of God is a child of God. And how is numbing your workers with sin and debauchery not sleazy? So what if you give them money. They have to spend every penny they make toiling away for your elite on food and rent, with just enough left over to numb themselves into complacency. The difference between Amarrian slavery and Gallente slavery is that the Amarr actually free their slaves. The Gallente oligarchy couldn't stand the hit to their bottom line. As you can find Minmatar in your government, I am sure we could find some in ours. Numbing our workers with sin and debauchery? What? Do you even listen to what we proclaim? There is a difference between something being mandatory and something being allowed. The Federation allows what some consider to be immoral, such as drugs and the like. It is not forced or even encouraged. It is up to the person to decide what is right for them, not the government. The fact you even think that the government is trying to "keep the people down" and what not is not only misguided, but absurd.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD 318	Posted - 2013.09.24 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote Disciple Of Kesha wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: Numbing our workers with sin and debauchery? What? Do you even listen to what we proclaim? There is a difference between something being mandatory and something being allowed. The Federation allows what some consider to be immoral, such as drugs and the like. It is not forced or even encouraged. It is up to the person to decide what is right for them, not the government. The fact you even think that the government is trying to "keep the people down" and what not is not only misguided, but absurd. So the countless adverts displaying the libertine lifestyles that are so adept at turning a profit isn't actually encouraging those lifestyles? I'm sure the police aren't out there making sure everyone has had their quota of drugs or sex, the mechanisms ensuring compliance are far more insidious. Few will pass up the vices espoused as fun by Gallente "culture" lest they are called a prude or a teetotaller. Gallente culture is dedicated to pleasure and complacency. The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free. If the Empire has been having greater reforms than your Federation you must at least suspect you are being played in a great farce. I was speaking of the government, Kesha. Surely the adverts to advertise the vices, certainly. Again, it is up to the person to decide to whether to indulge or not. The Gallente Federation is famous for allowing such acts, yes. Whether it is "dedicated" to it is up to perception. All of that was simply rambling. There was no meat in that statement in the slightest; it was the regurgitation of the propaganda that is fed to you.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD 318	Posted - 2013.09.25 23:08:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: When someone can't come up with any other counter argument other than claiming it is nothing more than propaganda, you know you have won the argument. Carry on, Xavier has nothing worthy of argument. Excuse me?What I said was that his statement: "The real Gallente leadership are in control. when was the last time there was any real reform? The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free. " has no merit. It does not, for it is just a rambling paragraph with nothing behind it. You pick and choose the wrongs of our society, which we have done, and our imperfections, which we are, and seem to believe that we personify all of that. "The Gallente leadership are in control" Oh, really? They are our leaders after all. Of course, if you mean advertisement and propaganda, then that is a leap of faith. There is simply no way you could prove that our government controls what we see and tries to influence us on such a scale. If you could, there would be outcry. Outrage. "when was the last time there was any real reform?" For what, exactly? Discrimination? There was this investigation, right here. Apparently they are not as widespread as they appear. However, an independent group to research this would be phenomenal, in my opinion. "The corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy are still rampant and the average citizen is still forced to toil for another's gain while being told they are free." How do you even come up with this? This statement is but a string of words. They have no merit, no meaning. All just ways to defame our society. Different perspectives lead to different opinions. How you came up with this one, is understandable, for far to a extreme. And about the propaganda, I have read some of them. The "sermons". They talk about about we server "self-interest" and how we are "selfish". I am also certain that what Kesha brought up, such as the "corruption and nepotism endemic to democracy" is in there somewhere.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD 320	Posted - 2013.09.29 00:02:00 - [4] - Quote Disciple Of Kesha wrote: (maybe some would cry out - but the major players already have their lobbyists working in plain sight, and the people are played like puppets between your voting blocs. ) You seem to be blinded, Kesha. You have been told that the Federation is corrupt. That our government keeps the people down with immorality and drugs. That the option to do such things is but a method to oppress. And to that, I say, you are wrong. I say that the people are not puppets. The people are smart. They are intelligent. They are able to tell from the lies and the truths, and act on it. This, I feel, is the major distinction between our societies. You feel the need that the people be taught, nay, forced, to believe in your God and religion. That all must be taught the ways of morality. But we, we realize that the people are moral. That the people can make decisions for themselves. To do drugs, or not. To see a prostitute, or not. To vote for a candidate, or not. We believe the people are more then capable of such things, unlike you. Disciple Of Kesha wrote: (So philosophical arguments hold no merit or meaning? Any ideas that run contrary to yours are just meaningless strings of words? Every year the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer while legions of lobbyists just push through more bills to serve their patron company's bottom line. how much more self serving can you get?) You put words in my mouth Kesha. I have never said that philosophical arguments are meaningless. But what I did say is that some, if not most, of your sermons, at least the ones I looked at, are propaganda. Just slander against the Federation. They took the religion and used it to blanket lies and negative opinion against us. That is, from the ones I read. Some sermons, perhaps are not filled with propaganda. It all depends on the person giving the sermon, does it not?