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KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Scrambler rifle.
I must admit i was a little dissapointed when i used laser weaponry and they all shot WHITE lasers. Now i can live with this,white representing PURITY and lasers being AMARR.
Now this is based in my gamestyle lately , i sometimes shoot someone with a charged Scrambler and i see they are not looking for cover at all,even if they have 100-20 HP left. I think they didnt realize i already won this engagement!?
But what if:
If a Scrambler rifle Fires a CHARGED SHOT, The Laser will come out RED.
This not only would be for cosmetic purposes but also,so players know when they got shot by a charged S.Rifle (without having to look at their HP bar and see they are out of shields ... XD)

Scouts.
I've been thinking. Scouts have a lot of issues , as they are it is really difficult to pull out good games with the suit. but WHAT IF:
They get a Bonus like - 10% Shield recharge delay/Depleted reduction per level.

What does this mean?
Well at level 5 a scout :
If shot, shield starts to regenerate after 2 seconds. Giving the scouts a Lot more chance to stay alive with a hit and run play style.
Also if the shields are fully depleted, in 4 seconds they would start to regenerate

So the scout can still get SHredded into thin air if shot continously by any weapon,but after each engagement , if the scout survives, Full shields would help him achieve several individual hit and runs effectivley.

This would be ADDED to the already existing scout bonus. Yes. The scouts would get 5% Prof reduction plus 10% shield recharge delay decrease per level...
adly the gallante scout will be the one that can take less advantage of this bonus BUT, still. AT level 4 passive and a cx shield ext the gallante will still have around 166 shields to protect his squishy core....)

Just a couple of i deas i felt like sharing. Let me know what you think.....

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KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1175	Posted - 2013.09.20 02:41:00 - [1] - Quote Scrambler rifle. I must admit i was a little dissapointed when i used laser weaponry and they all shot WHITE lasers. Now i can live with this,white representing PURITY and lasers being AMARR. Now this is based in my gamestyle lately , i sometimes shoot someone with a charged Scrambler and i see they are not looking for cover at all,even if they have 100-20 HP left. I think they didnt realize i already won this engagement!? But what if: If a Scrambler rifle Fires a CHARGED SHOT, The Laser will come out RED. This not only would be for cosmetic purposes but also,so players know when they got shot by a charged S.Rifle (without having to look at their HP bar and see they are out of shields ... XD) Scouts. I've been thinking. Scouts have a lot of issues , as they are it is really difficult to pull out good games with the suit. but WHAT IF: They get a Bonus like - 10% Shield recharge delay/Depleted reduction per level. What does this mean? Well at level 5 a scout : If shot, shield starts to regenerate after 2 seconds. Giving the scouts less HP (By a lot) But a Lot more chance to stay alive with a hit and run play style. Also if the shields are fully depleted, in 4 seconds they would start to regenerate So the scout can still get SHredded into thin air if shot continously by any weapon,but after each engagement , if the scout survives, Full shields would help him achieve several individual hit and runs effectivley. This would be ADDED to the already existing scout bonus. Yes. The scouts would get 5% Prof reduction plus 10% shield recharge delay decrease per level... adly the gallante scout will be the one that can take less advantage of this bonus BUT, still. AT level 4 passive and a cx shield ext the gallante will still have around 166 shields to protect his squishy core....) Just a couple of i deas i felt like sharing. Let me know what you think.....
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1344	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:27:00 - [2] - Quote Don't touch my SCR period. No buffs No nerfs No changes Touch my SCR and I delete dust.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1178	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Don't touch my SCR period. No buffs No nerfs No changes Touch my SCR and I delete dust. Just because the charged shot would be red? This would look awesome! Wow bro, you sure are a drama queen. >..>
8213 Grade No.2 277	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:31:00 - [4] - Quote Don't mess with the SCR. I put to much time into that gun to be dominate with it for them to change it. That wheel isn't broke.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1139	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:31:00 - [5] - Quote lol the way scouts give me headaches on the field? Especially if I'm in my heavy and I see a lil guy flanking round me to the left?? that grrrr moment brought to you by scouts of new eden, where headaches are given and on forums they want buffs
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1178	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:33:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die....
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1346	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:36:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die.... You asked for opinions and you got them...if you can't handle other people's views then here's some news Buster Brown - the Internet is not for you.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 500	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:40:00 - [8] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Don't touch my SCR period. No buffs No nerfs No changes Touch my SCR and I delete dust. Just because the charged shot would be red? This would look awesome! Wow bro, you sure are a drama queen. >..> Ehh. Only because CCP has a tendency to over-do changes and/or mess things up little things through the coding(which I mean I can't QQ over b/c coding can get ugly).
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1179	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:43:00 - [9] - Quote I was just saying. The CHARGED SCRAMBLER shot should look in SOME WAY different to a regular one. As it is neither me nor my enemies know the difference....
8213 Grade No.2 278	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:44:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die.... Just for that... bump

KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1179	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:46:00 - [11] - Quote 8213 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die.... Just for that... bump Yeah i get i deserve it. BUT please, explain why having the charged laser have a different colour be SO bad?
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 233	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:48:00 - [12] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I was just saying. The CHARGED SCRAMBLER shot should look in SOME WAY different to a regular one. As it is neither me nor my enemies know the difference.... If you shoot them in the head they get insta killed with a charged shot. If you have a bunch of HP left, you got hit by an unchanred shot. Easy enough to know the difference?
Omareth Nasadra QcGOLD 92	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:50:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 8213 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die.... Just for that... bump Yeah i get i deserve it. BUT please, explain why having the charged laser have a different color be SO bad? it's actually not a bad idea, maybe not a priority, but hey, peep on the forum these days are douchecopters
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1180	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:51:00 - [14] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I was just saying. The CHARGED SCRAMBLER shot should look in SOME WAY different to a regular one. As it is neither me nor my enemies know the difference.... If you shoot them in the head they get insta killed with a charged shot. If you have a bunch of HP left, you got hit by an unchanred shot. Easy enough to know the difference? Actually not.If you get hit by a charged shot in the Body , you DONT know it was a charged shot , and you are about to die. Then again , iwas thinking more on the cosmetic side than as an actual ''buff/nerf''...
8213 Grade No.2 279	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:52:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 8213 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die.... Just for that... bump Yeah i get i deserve it. BUT please, explain why having the charged laser have a different color be SO bad? Because it's simply not needed. Even a minor waste of code, is still a waste. Besides, the charge shot has 50% range, so nobody really gets to see the different color beam tripping across their screen like a wicked acid trip
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6065	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:54:00 - [16] - Quote I support color change for charge shot.
Viktor Zokas High-Damage 359	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:00:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Don't touch my SCR period. No buffs No nerfs No changes Touch my SCR and I delete dust. Just because the charged shot would be red? This would look awesome! Wow bro, you sure are a drama queen. >..> White is the purity of God himself. Changing the color would be defacing him, such a crime is punishable by death. Even suggesting such a change could catch the eyes of Civil Services. Best just to let this thread die before it breeds more attention to yourself.
Toby Flenderson research lab The Superpowers 37	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:02:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah i know. OK , my bad. Never ask for the community to give opinions. We have people who cant kills scouts complaining vs a scout buff and people who cant live with a simple COLOR change to the laser shot and will commit e-suicide if they change the color of a laser shot... ok my bad, let the thread die.... I think the charged shot is a nice idea. Or maybe even just slightly read. The scout suit doesn't need that much of a buff IMO. I'm only at advanced and I get pretty decent/good games with it. I can only imagine what a skilled scout suit could do at proto level...
SgtDoughnut M.E.R.C. Elite 139	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:09:00 - [19] - Quote Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker?
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1181	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:19:00 - [20] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Because he Scramble rifle Turns RED when overheated and not white.......?

Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 259	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:42:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Because he Scramble rifle Turns RED when overheated and not white.......? Because your rifle has more heat resistance than air? A energy source touching a colder object looses energy (doesn't transfer all energy), thus your rifle turns red not white. Edit: As for scouts, shield recharge isn't big when your ehp is so low, more utility like a second equipment slot, ewar, cloaking, and the cpu/pg to run it would serve the scout more with more flexibility.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1181	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:53:00 - [22] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Because he Scramble rifle Turns RED when overheated and not white.......? Because your rifle has more heat resistance than air? A energy source touching a colder object looses energy (doesn't transfer all energy), thus your rifle turns red not white. Edit: As for scouts, shield recharge isn't big when your ehp is so low, more utility like a second equipment slot, ewar, cloaking, and the cpu/pg to run it would serve the scout more with more flexibility. 1- Well sorry, i didnt think realism was a priority in game that has space mercs from another galaxy fighting in an undefined era... jeez. 2-This was a buff to help scouts, not the ultimate fix for them LOL.Belive me i AM very aware the scouts can't be fixed with something as simple as this, it would never the less,still be good and appreciated.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2111	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:58:00 - [23] - Quote The lasers (both beam and pulse) aren't white, they are gold.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1183	Posted - 2013.09.20 04:59:00 - [24] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The lasers (both beam and pulse) aren't white, they are gold. Im even blinder than i thought.....
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1920	Posted - 2013.09.20 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote HOW ABOUT THIS As heat builds up, so does damage. As your lasers go through the phases of damage, they start at red (lowest wavelength) and work their way to violet (highest wavelength)
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 464	Posted - 2013.09.20 06:54:00 - [26] - Quote I like the idea of having a different color for the charged shot. Not only would it add a bit of utility, but I think it would add to visual diversity of battles and it would just plain look cool. To me, aesthetics are important and they help with immersion in the game world. I think it's pretty lame actually that all the lasers are the same color..... it would be like all the Jedi using the same color light saber; it's just not as cool as it could be. All that being said this should be super way down on the list of little things to tweak after much bigger problems are solved. As for the scout recharge delay, I'd actually be concerned that this would make the Minja way buffer than the Gallente scout. The proto Minja can have what, about 300 shields? Recharging that fast compared to the Gallente's 160 with the slow armor reps.... it just seems a bit too one-sided. If the Gallente had a similar armor bonus though I think that could even things out, say perhaps the logi bonus of +1HP per level of armor regen. Or armor hardening....
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 234	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:43:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I was just saying. The CHARGED SCRAMBLER shot should look in SOME WAY different to a regular one. As it is neither me nor my enemies know the difference.... If you shoot them in the head they get insta killed with a charged shot. If you have a bunch of HP left, you got hit by an unchanred shot. Easy enough to know the difference? Actually not.If you get hit by a charged shot in the Body , you DONT know it was a charged shot , and you are about to die. Then again , iwas thinking more on the cosmetic side than as an actual ''buff/nerf''... Most people it takes one charged shot to kill them. But if they are shueld tanked, one charged shot and the rest of the clip, and if they don't die, I use meh SMG.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1008	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:52:00 - [28] - Quote Yes to both please. Red laser would look awesome. Maybe if it was half way charged, it could turn orange ish.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1197	Posted - 2013.09.21 21:20:00 - [29] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Ok fair enough. Make regular shots RED, Charged shots white XD
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2192	Posted - 2013.09.21 21:22:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Scrambler rifle. I must admit i was a little dissapointed when i used laser weaponry and they all shot WHITE lasers. Now i can live with this,white representing PURITY and lasers being AMARR. Now this is based in my gamestyle lately , i sometimes shoot someone with a charged Scrambler and i see they are not looking for cover at all,even if they have 100-20 HP left. I think they didnt realize i already won this engagement!? But what if: If a Scrambler rifle Fires a CHARGED SHOT, The Laser will come out RED. This not only would be for cosmetic purposes but also,so players know when they got shot by a charged S.Rifle (without having to look at their HP bar and see they are out of shields ... XD) Scouts. I've been thinking. Scouts have a lot of issues , as they are it is really difficult to pull out good games with the suit. but WHAT IF: They get a Bonus like - 10% Shield recharge delay/Depleted reduction per level. What does this mean? Well at level 5 a scout : If shot, shield starts to regenerate after 2 seconds. Giving the scouts a Lot more chance to stay alive with a hit and run play style. Also if the shields are fully depleted, in 4 seconds they would start to regenerate So the scout can still get SHredded into thin air if shot continously by any weapon,but after each engagement , if the scout survives, Full shields would help him achieve several individual hit and runs effectivley. This would be ADDED to the already existing scout bonus. Yes. The scouts would get 5% Prof reduction plus 10% shield recharge delay decrease per level... adly the gallante scout will be the one that can take less advantage of this bonus BUT, still. AT level 4 passive and a cx shield ext the gallante will still have around 166 shields to protect his squishy core....) Just a couple of i deas i felt like sharing. Let me know what you think..... I do not like the ScR change, but you did bring something to mind. Ammo Types. In EVE we have ammo types that lets us choose our effective range ( well the modify the turrets effective range or damage based upon whether we want DPS or range). In this case Infrared is the long range equivalent and the laser that appears red. Multifrequency- Grey - Short range DPS Normal- Blue- Balanced etc.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2192	Posted - 2013.09.21 21:23:00 - [31] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The lasers (both beam and pulse) aren't white, they are gold. However in EVE they are multi-coloured.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 269	Posted - 2013.10.04 08:45:00 - [32] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Correct. The charged shot wouldn't change the color of the laser however, the frequency crystal determines the color of a laser. Below are the types of frequency crystals, and how they would likely affect a weapon's output if they were added to the game: Invisible(Radio) - Touches Everything, but Gently 135%Shield/ 65% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ Red(Infrared) - Very Long Range, Very Low Damage 130% Shield/ 70% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ Orange(Microwave) - Long Range' Low Damage 125% Shield/ 75% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ Yellow(Standar) - Medium Range, Medium Damage 120% Shield/ 80% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ Green(X-Ray) - Short Range, High Damage 115% Shield/ 85% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ Blue(Gamma) - Very Short Range, Very High Damage 110% Shield/ 90% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ Violet(Ultaviolet) - Insanely Short Range, Insanely High Damage 105% Shield/ 95% Armor Damage _________________________________________________ White(Multifequency) - Only works at Point Blank, but does Stupid Damage 100% Shield/ 100% Armor Damage The current Laser weapons in Dust seem to use Standard Frequency Crystals.
Hexen Trickster Industrial removal service 100	Posted - 2013.10.04 09:34:00 - [33] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Ok fair enough. Make regular shots RED, Charged shots white XD Well lasers work via light frequency Red being the slowest and least useful Blue being the medium Green would be the fastest/strongest wave of light White is just a mix of the 3 But if we are changing colours get rid of the damned black of the scramber rifle. I want ma gold and blood red, or gold and olive gold
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 416	Posted - 2013.10.04 10:06:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I was just saying. The CHARGED SCRAMBLER shot should look in SOME WAY different to a regular one. As it is neither me nor my enemies know the difference.... You were expecting a rational response? Here? When the "roll" mechanic was introduced to Dropships I posted a suggestion that CCP add a Flight Stick option. At the time pitch and roll controls were on two separate joy sticks. Truly bizarre. After making the suggestion people were jumping down my throat calling it "unrealistic" or "wanting to be catered too." I am in total sympathy with those who blame the community. When we chose to be jerks there are consequences. Getting back on the main topic. A different color for charged shots would be cool. I'd be worried that it would somehow unintentionally break the weapon. To be honest it is much safer to do nothing.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 270	Posted - 2013.10.04 10:31:00 - [35] - Quote Hexen Trickster wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Considering white is higher on the temp scale than red why would a charged shot be weaker? Ok fair enough. Make regular shots RED, Charged shots white XD Well lasers work via light frequency Red being the slowest and least useful Blue being the medium Green would be the fastest/strongest wave of light White is just a mix of the 3 But if we are changing colours get rid of the damned black of the scramber rifle. I want ma gold and blood red, or gold and olive gold Edit: As for scouts i think they need there scan profile lowerd to 1 point over advanced scanners. So a scout with a profile dampener would be immune to advanced scanners and make it easier for them and there limited slots to be immune to scanning You are comparing Directed energy weapons to laser pointers, they are similar, but DEWs aren't restricted to visible light frequencies. The ones we use are using yellow visible light as their source of damage, but with the addition of frequency crystals, we will be able to shoot Concentrated Gamma Radiation or Microwaves.
Hexen Trickster Industrial removal service 100	Posted - 2013.10.04 11:24:00 - [36] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: You are comparing Directed energy weapons to laser pointers, they are similar, but DEWs aren't restricted to visible light frequencies. The ones we use are using yellow visible light as their source of damage, but with the addition of frequency crystals, we will be able to shoot Concentrated Gamma Radiation or Microwaves. Well itd be a tad boring/annoying if they didnt shoot on the visible light spectrum. then again we have advanced helmets that might show that light The glory of sci-fi Do do agree with ammo types. My laser rifle will match a snipers. Phased plasma HMG. Antimatter AR's.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 554	Posted - 2013.10.04 11:58:00 - [37] - Quote I agree that scouts need a buff but I am against any cosmetic changes that will get our ADHD devs off track yet again on side projects rather than working on actual new content and game modes.


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