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Gratis Una
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.15 23:46:00 -
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Sounds like isk doubling to me...is this a scam? Sure sounds like it. Is your home station in Jita? |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2764
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Posted - 2013.10.16 00:03:00 -
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Hmm. Did the Chribba actually become escrow for this? |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
227
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Posted - 2013.10.16 05:36:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Hmm. Did the Chribba actually become escrow for this?
I believe he will supply his services if wanted. I am doing my deals direct though. |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7
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Posted - 2013.10.16 05:50:00 -
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The first five batches are gone. I've asked my first customer to post here confirming the successfully completed transactions. I now have 280M Dust isk available and a little over 17B Eve isk available.
For the week beginning Oct. 14th, the following rates are available:
For Dust to Eve transfers, the next available batches are:
23M Dust for 600M Eve, sixth batch; 26M Dust for 600M Eve, seventh batch; 29M Dust for 600M Eve, eighth batch; 32M Dust for 600M Eve, ninth batch; 36M Dust for 600M Eve, tenth batch; 40M Dust for 600M Eve, 11th batch; 45M Dust for 600M Eve, 12th batch; 50M Dust for 600M Eve, 13th batch; 60M Dust for 600M Eve, 14th batch; 70M Dust for 600M Eve, 15th batch;
For the opposite direction of transfers, from Eve to Dust isk, the initial rate has risen to:
600M Eve for 12M Dust isk, for the first batch (Batch "A" from now on, to distinguish trades in this direction).
If no interest in this Eve to Dust transfers manifests, this will continue to rise as Dust to Eve transfers complete. If still no traffic in this direction after someone takes the seventh Dust to Eve batch above, the payout for 600M Eve isk will rise to 13M Dust isk.
Flint and General Erick,
If you're still interested, one of you can still have the sixth batch for the initially quoted first batch price of 12M Dust isk, through the end of the week, Oct. 20th.
Flint,
If you still want four batches (2.4B Eve Isk) that's 12, 26, 29, and 32 millions of Dust isk. If you only want the first batch, for 12M that's ok too.
Also, since I have confirmed your Eve character's name, I can confirm your request for an exchange at the following rates: 12M Dust isk for 600M Eve isk, or 99M Dust isk for 2.4B Eve isk; Upon Gyn Wallace's receipt of 12M or 99M Dust isk by Oct. 20th, Min Lo will deliver 600M or 2.4B Eve isk to Flint Beastgood 0 (Zero, not Capital "O") by Oct. 21st. If we catch each other online at the same time, we can complete the transactions then.
I reserve the right to cancel this transaction and return any Dust isk you send me for a variety of reasons including things like: CCP people frowning at me about it; Tranquility server taking a dive on Sunday so I can't complete; someone else coming along and offering me a rate so good I can't refuse them.
If the transaction completes and you experience buyer's remorse and want to reverse the transaction, you must let me know by Oct. 23rd. You get three days after I've delivered to change your mind and reverse the transaction. After that, the deal is done, i.e. irreversible.
Feel free to post here if you have any questions, or you can just send the Dust isk to Gyn Wallace. If I check and see that you've sent the isk well before your deadline, the 20th, I'll try to complete my end early as well. |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7
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Posted - 2013.10.16 05:58:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Hmm. Did the Chribba actually become escrow for this?
Not yet. I have a third customer lined up for the next four or five batches, whose interest is contingent on using Chribba's escrow service. I've no idea whether that interest will evaporate if they're looking at getting batches 10 to 13 instead of batches 1 to 4. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
71
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Posted - 2013.10.16 09:37:00 -
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You should try editing the first post with the newest most relevant info |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
227
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:30:00 -
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Gyn Wallace wrote:The first five batches are gone. I've asked my first customer to post here confirming the successfully completed transactions. I now have 280M Dust isk available and a little over 17B Eve isk available.
For the week beginning Oct. 14th, the following rates are available:
For Dust to Eve transfers, the next available batches are:
23M Dust for 600M Eve, sixth batch; 26M Dust for 600M Eve, seventh batch; 29M Dust for 600M Eve, eighth batch; 32M Dust for 600M Eve, ninth batch; 36M Dust for 600M Eve, tenth batch; 40M Dust for 600M Eve, 11th batch; 45M Dust for 600M Eve, 12th batch; 50M Dust for 600M Eve, 13th batch; 60M Dust for 600M Eve, 14th batch; 70M Dust for 600M Eve, 15th batch;
For the opposite direction of transfers, from Eve to Dust isk, the initial rate has risen to:
600M Eve for 12M Dust isk, for the first batch (Batch "A" from now on, to distinguish trades in this direction).
If no interest in this Eve to Dust transfers manifests, this will continue to rise as Dust to Eve transfers complete. If still no traffic in this direction after someone takes the seventh Dust to Eve batch above, the payout for 600M Eve isk will rise to 13M Dust isk.
Flint and General Erick,
If you're still interested, one of you can still have the sixth batch for the initially quoted first batch price of 12M Dust isk, through the end of the week, Oct. 20th.
Flint,
If you still want four batches (2.4B Eve Isk) that's 12, 26, 29, and 32 millions of Dust isk. If you only want the first batch, for 12M that's ok too.
Also, since I have confirmed your Eve character's name, I can confirm your request for an exchange at the following rates: 12M Dust isk for 600M Eve isk, or 99M Dust isk for 2.4B Eve isk; Upon Gyn Wallace's receipt of 12M or 99M Dust isk by Oct. 20th, Min Lo will deliver 600M or 2.4B Eve isk to Flint Beastgood 0 (Zero, not Capital "O") by Oct. 21st. If we catch each other online at the same time, we can complete the transactions then.
I reserve the right to cancel this transaction and return any Dust isk you send me for a variety of reasons including things like: CCP people frowning at me about it; Tranquility server taking a dive on Sunday so I can't complete; someone else coming along and offering me a rate so good I can't refuse them.
If the transaction completes and you experience buyer's remorse and want to reverse the transaction, you must let me know by Oct. 23rd. You get three days after I've delivered to change your mind and reverse the transaction. After that, the deal is done, i.e. irreversible.
Feel free to post here if you have any questions, or you can just send the Dust isk to Gyn Wallace. If I check and see that you've sent the isk well before your deadline, the 20th, I'll try to complete my end early as well.
Damn, that threw a spanner in the works. I'll take those next two batches (1 @ 12, 1 @ 26), albeit reluctantly. I need it so I don't have a choice.
So 38mil DUST for 1.2bil EVE. I will send either today or tomorrow and post here to confirm when I have. |
Ras Orloc
Bloody Palm Militia
10
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:09:00 -
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post deleted. wrong thread somehow damn you multiple tabs! |
God Hates Lags
Red Star. EoN.
114
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:59:00 -
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Couple things:
First of all you aren't the first to do this, Kane Spero and Zion Shad became well known for facilitating these kinds of transfers so you should be OK. That being said I haven't seen either of them in a while, so maybe they both got banned.
Second I know that Kane's rate averaged around 1:8, so your rates are remarkably high on the Eve side.
Third, you should keep in mind in terms of your changing rates that if others start doing the same thing as you (and others are already doing it) there will be competition and you can probably expect players to stop using your services when they become too high for their comfort. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of that.
That all being said, I think that this is the solution to the Dust-Eve isk exchange issue, and that the only real further action CCP needs to take is to greenlight such transactions and create contracts to protect those who use these services. This "flexible exchange rate" is a far better way to regulate both economies than a tax ever could be. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2778
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Posted - 2013.10.16 16:48:00 -
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I think Batch 6 is about as high I'd go price-wise, but I think you're past that. |
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
234
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Posted - 2013.10.16 21:57:00 -
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CONFIRMATION: 99mil ISK transferred to Gyn Wallace from Flint Beastgood III @ 21:52 |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Beyond Hypothetical Box
193
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:28:00 -
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God Hates Lags wrote: That being said I haven't seen either of them in a while, so maybe they both got banned. This service is not against CCP rules, and it's legal - nobody will get banned for using this service. Transfer across both games will be available in future. However, in this regard that we'll get it in the future CCP is not able to secure current transfers between characters and players. If you will be cheated by other player CCP will not intervene.
I could not send the exact content of my ticked, but it is very close to the position of CCP(If you are CCP employees, poke GM Unicorn, and link him this post, thanks). |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:49:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:CONFIRMATION: 99mil ISK transferred to Gyn Wallace from Flint Beastgood III @ 21:52
Confirming receipt of 99 Dust isk by Gyn Wallace; Min Lo has sent Flint Beastgood 0, 2.4B Eve isk @ ~2:48 Eve time.
Enjoy! -Gyn Wallace/Min Lo |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:09:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:You should try editing the first post with the newest most relevant info
A very good idea; done.
God Hates Lags wrote: ... Second I know that Kane's rate averaged around 1:8, so your rates are remarkably high on the Eve side.
Third, you should keep in mind in terms of your changing rates that if others start doing the same thing as you (and others are already doing it) there will be competition and you can probably expect players to stop using your services when they become too high for their comfort. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of that.
That all being said, I think that this is the solution to the Dust-Eve isk exchange issue, and that the only real further action CCP needs to take is to greenlight such transactions and create contracts to protect those who use these services. This "flexible exchange rate" is a far better way to regulate both economies than a tax ever could be.
All good points. I probably won't have much of a chance to break even, If CCP acts sooner rather than later and makes an official exchange before strengthening the Eve/Dust connection. That's what I'm really betting on, if my initial exchange rate has over valued Dust isk. I'm hoping the Eve/Dust connection is strengthened before an official exchange opens, so I'll have a chance to sell some of the Dust isk I've been buying in these early batches, and at least break even before an official CCP currency exchange opens. I think Flint touched on the best real measure of their relative value, the RL time it takes a player to earn isk in each game. My optimal Dust isk buying customers are Eve players who can make billions of isk in a very short time, perhaps large alliance leaders, if they decide to fund Dust side players. I wouldn't mind having a billion Dust isk available to sell them.
On the other hand, if I've miscalculated and wind up having traded a bunch of my idle Eve isk for more Dust isk than I can spend, I'll have fun trying, since I play Dust a heck of a lot more than I play Eve these days. :D
I also like the sandbox aspect of the player's supply and demand determining the exchange rate, rather than CCP pulling a number out of the air. I like playing a small part in making that happen. Selling several billion Eve isk for some Dust isk has been the most fun I've had in Eve lately. <- My impression of a bitter-vet rant, lol. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2781
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:20:00 -
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23m for the next one, huh? And I'd message you on Dust with the name of an EVE character, get a reply, then send ISK? That's the general gist of it? |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
234
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:59:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:23m for the next one, huh? And I'd message you on Dust with the name of an EVE character, get a reply, then send ISK? That's the general gist of it?
Too late, the next batch is 36 mil (unless that batch has already gone). |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
234
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:01:00 -
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CONFIRMATION: 2.4bil EVE ISK received.
Good doing business with you.
Need to promote that EVE thread now and get some transfers going in the opposite direction to bring down the rate for exchanging DUST ISK so I can do some more deals |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2782
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:09:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:CONFIRMATION: 2.4bil EVE ISK received. Good doing business with you. Need to promote that EVE thread now and get some transfers going in the opposite direction to bring down the rate for exchanging DUST ISK so I can do some more deals
I'd wait for that too I think. The time required to make 36 million in Dust vs. 600 million in EVE isn't even close to comparable. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
234
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:19:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:CONFIRMATION: 2.4bil EVE ISK received. Good doing business with you. Need to promote that EVE thread now and get some transfers going in the opposite direction to bring down the rate for exchanging DUST ISK so I can do some more deals The time required to make 36 million in Dust vs. 600 million in EVE isn't even close to comparable.
I can make that (36mil DUST) in a week just through playing the game. Meta-game contracts net me even more each week. With that in mind, expect the official transfer rate (when CCP implement it) to be a lot tighter than Gyn's rates.
EDIT: if there's a way (for a new guy) to earn 600mil a week in EVE please do let me know. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2782
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:09:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:CONFIRMATION: 2.4bil EVE ISK received. Good doing business with you. Need to promote that EVE thread now and get some transfers going in the opposite direction to bring down the rate for exchanging DUST ISK so I can do some more deals The time required to make 36 million in Dust vs. 600 million in EVE isn't even close to comparable. I can make that (36mil DUST) in a week just through playing the game. Meta-game contracts net me even more each week. With that in mind, expect the official transfer rate (when CCP implement it) to be a lot tighter than Gyn's rates. EDIT: if there's a way (for a new guy) to earn 600mil a week in EVE please do let me know.
It's not really about new guys though, as the target Dust players wouldn't be "new" either. I'm sure there are Dust players that grind away everyday and get tons of money. I've capped out every week since April though (but I don't play after I cap) and I don't make 36 million a week. If that figure were average, I'd have 864 million ISK now (I don't really spend much ISK). I do not. I also think MOST players don't even bother capping.
It's fine though. Plenty of people have money to burn I'm sure. I had just seen that the "updated" front page said 23m. |
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Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:53:00 -
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Gyn Wallace wrote:If there's a good reason why I should continue to exchange Dust isk into Eve isk at a 1:50 ratio, I'll listen/read it. The bargaining power of disinterest.
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
235
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:24:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:It's not really about new guys though, as the target Dust players wouldn't be "new" either. I'm sure there are Dust players that grind away everyday and get tons of money.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I am the new (4-day-old) player in EVE and am interested in knowing if there is a way to earn the money I need each month to plex my account quicker in EVE than in DUST, since the exchange rate is rapidly rising here which means I probably won't be able to sustain the monthly plexing via DUST earnings exchanged into EVE ISK.
From what I was told it seemed more feasible to earn the ISK in DUST and convert it with this service, so if there is a quick way to earn enough ISK in EVE to plex each month please let me know. If I was to carry on using this service with stated intention I would always be on DUST and have little time for EVE making the whole process redundant. Any info/help appreciated. Thanks in advance. |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:25:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:ON TOPIC: Satisfied customer. Service rating: 4/5. Nice fast service without complications, but it would've been helpful to have been kept up to date about the demand and the fact that other parties were about to drive up the rates by beating me to it. If I had known that I could've gone out of my way to get the deal done ASAP.
I think that's a fair criticism, though I'm not sure how to fix it without slowing my approach toward a balanced exchange rate. Maybe I should have started out with a higher rate and offered multiple batches at that rate before taking a bigger step up to the next rate. That way people wouldn't be chasing a rate that changes almost constantly. If I were to react to this criticism by changing the available Dust to Eve batch structure to something more like:
HYPOTHETICAL price stepping:
50M Dust for 600M Eve, eighth batch; 50M Dust for 600M Eve, ninth batch; 50M Dust for 600M Eve, tenth batch; 60M Dust for 600M Eve, 11th batch; 60M Dust for 600M Eve, 12th batch; 60M Dust for 600M Eve, 13th batch; 65M Dust for 600M Eve, 14th batch; 65M Dust for 600M Eve, 15th batch;
Then people who wind up with a latter batch wouldn't experience the sticker shock you got by being the second customer instead of the first.
Maybe I can incorporate that idea on the Dust to Eve transfers with sufficient notice to customers who aren't lined up already, and all the Eve to Dust transfers.
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
235
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:54:00 -
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Do you have any outstanding orders? Is this change being implemented already?
If no to both, does that mean that for the next four batches it would be 171mil ISK (36+40+45+50) for 2.4bil EVE?
I have the funds waiting to be transferred. |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9
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Posted - 2013.10.17 15:03:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Do you have any outstanding orders? Is this change being implemented already?
If no to both, does that mean that for the next four batches it would be 171mil ISK (36+40+45+50) for 2.4bil EVE?
I have the funds waiting to be transferred.
I do have outstanding orders. I've updated the first post. Hopefully the status of the queue, is clearer now. (That's someone else whose queued up for the next 4). I have some inquiries but no requests for the next batch. Should I queue you up for the 14th through17th batches?
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
235
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Posted - 2013.10.17 15:24:00 -
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Gyn Wallace wrote:I do have outstanding orders. I've updated the first post. Hopefully the status of the queue, is clearer now. (That's someone else whose queued up for the next 4). I have some inquiries but no requests for the next batch. Should I queue you up for the 14th through17th batches?
I can't afford that, the rate has gone a bit too far at this point. I could do 3 batches at 60mil each but it will take me a couple days to source the money. ??
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Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:22:00 -
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Rates revised, as I think I'm approaching the price balance point. |
Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:35:00 -
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Nerevar Dwemor, if you find this thread and would like to confirm the terms of an exchange, I'll need:
#1: Your Dust character name:_____________ #2: Receipt of either 300M Dust isk or 2B Dust isk (depending on the batch size you confirm here in this thread) from that character to Gyn Wallace.
#3: Confirmation that you'd like the Eve isk (either 2.4B or 14B, depending on the batch size you select) delivered from Min Lo to Nerevar Dwemor. If not, I'd need the name of the Eve alt to receive delivery, confirmed here in this thread.
#4: I ask for a couple of days to complete delivery, in case you don't send me the dusk isk right away, or I don't notice immediately. Historically I've been able to complete transactions much more quickly than 48 hours. If you catch me online, transactions can be completed in minutes.
Let me know if you have any questions.
-Gyn Wallace, Dust side. -Min Lo, Eve side. |
Castor Crave
DUST University Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:45:00 -
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Gyn Wallace wrote:Nerevar Dwemor, if you find this thread and would like to confirm the terms of an exchange, I'll need:
#1: Your Dust character name:_____________ #2: Receipt of either 300M Dust isk or 2B Dust isk (depending on the batch size you confirm here in this thread) from that character to Gyn Wallace.
#3: Confirmation that you'd like the Eve isk (either 2.4B or 14B, depending on the batch size you select) delivered from Min Lo to Nerevar Dwemor. If not, I'd need the name of the Eve alt to receive delivery, confirmed here in this thread.
#4: I ask for a couple of days to complete delivery, in case you don't send me the dusk isk right away, or I don't notice immediately. Historically I've been able to complete transactions much more quickly than 48 hours. If you catch me online, transactions can be completed in minutes.
Let me know if you have any questions.
-Gyn Wallace, Dust side. -Min Lo, Eve side. That would be me, I'd rather do this when both of us are online though. |
Castor Crave
DUST University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:49:00 -
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Exchanged my 2.5bil Dust ISK for EVE ISK with the help of Gyn Wallace / Min Lo. Looking forward to doing business with you in the future. |
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