OP, you're correct, but like this ignorant troll above me, CCP has a childish vendetta against snipers, and is on a campaign to phase them out completely.

No. Snipers can use a huge nerf. The sway should never diminish and you should constantly lose health while wielding one. And also be constantly scanned to all enemies.

....wtf?

Compared to other games sniping isn't all that hard in Dust. Yes there is sway but once you crouch the scope is steady as hell and snaps back into the original position after every shot, so you don't need to adjust your aim for a follow of shot...

Hell IHMO to get a seady scope you should have to use your stamina

The initial sway is there to prevent quick scoping.

I've been sniping in this game since last year, and I don't have that trouble with it. Plus the Sniper Rifle Operation skillbook reduces the sway quite a bit.

No. Snipers can use a huge nerf. The sway should never diminish and you should constantly lose health while wielding one. And also be constantly scanned to all enemies.

Just a troll, and not a very good one at that. Ignore him.

Congratulations teach me your voodoo. I have sniper operations at 5 of course.

I can just tell the OP is a quickscoper... those few seconds are fine when I snipe, the problem is when I move just a little I can't aim at all.

i havnt had much trouble with the sniper rifle while using it other than the fact that its hard to countersnipe snipers u cant see.....


quickscoping shouldnt even be able to exist on here....

and that so called sway is correctable easily...

i only put enough sp into sniper rifles just to use the tac sniper..

so far ive only gotten one no scope kill with it..

and that was probably a once in a life time shot.

but the sniper rifle right now is fine..

but with the buff to armor it makes me think the std tac sniper rifles need a buff in clipsize from 3 to 4...

just to counter act the armor buff...the higher damaging snipers r fine...

and it can be used in and around mid - long range.

quite easily...

u dont need to stay out of range from every1 else just to use it...(thats called camping) what i think is that after u fire your first few shots your position should be given away immediately and your location should be pointed out to the enemy...

maybe like a giant red arrow over your head for 5-10 secs maybe?...

although u would have to hit a player or object like a tank or lav first for it to happen......

The initial sway is there to prevent quick scoping.

Actually RA is in my Corp, that's why I'm stunned XD

1 second of ads of any sniper rifle shouldnt be possible any ways...


quickscoping is one of the worst things ever to have been invented on any game.

the sway pretty much functions that way because it is a scope u have to look through..u cant immediately look through the scope and be 100% accurate with next to no sway..

and it doesnt take long for the sway to completely disappear while crouched.


the quick scope should be impossible to pull off on dust yet it can still be done if done right...


what quick scoping does is give players the ability to use an extremely powerful weapon in cqc.

and running and gunning with a sniper rifle shouldnt be possible any ways....

this is not halo where snipers have no sway on they scopes and have perfect precision while standing up...

this is not cod where every1 uses a sniper rifle in cqc..

this is dust 514 where the sniper is intended for long ranged combat..

by picking off certain players on the enemy team...

but since all snipers do right now is camp in the redzone only trying to pad their own kdr their is no need to reduce scope sway as a sniper is really a type of stationary position...its immobile when trying to find and shoot targets yet has the mobility to get around the battlefield unseen....

the snipers role is one of stealth but the stealth part doesnt mean the sniper should be undetectable...

the sniper should be detectable after firing a few rounds...

its not a frontline combat role and never should be....

the new maps force snipers to move around if they want to pad their kdrs...

the old maps basically promoted camping in a single spot for the entire match..


so the instant massive sway mechanic is what prevents the sniper rifle from being deadly in cqc

it doesnt promote camping thats the players choice to camp...

many snipers will just pick a nice little spot and stay there for the entire match....

so that nice little spot is what promotes the camping..not the sway....

Crouch, and wait for a few seconds.


Snipers shouldn't be able to zoom in and be pin-point accurate is soon as they do. They are fine as they are.

See my previous post for my reasons why you're incorrect: crouching and waiting for two seconds is not an option, and snipers are not fine as they are. Please provide an argument for your point, rather than simply asserting that you are right and I am wrong.

Every other weapon can zoom and be pin-point accurate as soon as they do, including full automatic weapons like the AR. Why would a rifle designed specifically for precision work be unable to do so?

I'm pretty sure you are the one asserting your opinion as fact sir.

You want a reason? Fine.


The reason that other weapons have pinpoint accuracy as soon as the aim down sights is that the need it. In the frontlines you can't wait 2 seconds for your gun to stop wobbling. A sniper rifle shouldn't be in the frontlines/CqC. Snipers have more time to shoot and aim. I know many snipers (including myself) that can be a mobile sniper. Stay behind the action. If you aren't in the direct line of fire you DO have those 2 extra seconds to spare.

You may say "quickscoping isn't gonna happen. I'm right and you're wrong. I'm better than you"...... Quickscoping can and will happen. Most shots take two-three sniper bullets to kill, you are correct on that. Ask yourself this though. Can a magazine of sniper rounds take out a suit? The answer is yes. A Tactical sniper rifle can take out most suits within its 3 clip magazine. With pinpoint accuracy for a gun that can 2 shot kill is COMPLETELY unbalanced.

Assault weapons take a few bullets to kill someone. Even the TAC AR/ SR needs 5 or so bullets to take out someone. That is WITH accurate pinpoint accuracy upon aiming down your sight. Think about a gun that has the same even better accuracy that can drop a suit in 2 shots. WAY OP. Get real dude.

Snipers serve their role. They aren't supposed to be up close and personal with the enemy. When you're chilling back there with you sniper rifle you have the time to wait two seconds and crouch. You can even move closer and still have time to sit and aim. If you have a problem with getting killed while trying to zoom-in and snipe, then that's player error. You should move back a little bit and stop complaining.

Anyone who tries to quickscope is just going to get wrecked by superior AR DPS. Lowering/removing sway is not going to turn the sniper into some sort of CQC/frontline monster. Use maths.

On the subject of having those two seconds to spare, there's really nowhere in the new socket to both have room for those 2 seconds and have a properly useful sightline. Mostly, my complaints are limited to the terribleness that is the new map. I can use the old sniper playstyle and find a perch, but then there's no good view of where the fighting is occurring. To get a good view, you have to get within 100M of the enemy. This, in turn, makes stealth not an option- any decent opponent is active scanning 360 degrees for prey within that 100M range. It's not that it's actually impossible to snipe- it's possible, I can still do decently, but the new map represents a clear game balance shift away from snipers and towards CQC infantry work. It's almost laughably easy to do well on the new map with a BPO AR and a standard assault suit. With the reduction or removal of sway, the SR becomes *somewhat* usable within 100M, but is still the lowest-DPS non-splash light weapon, and a competent AR user will still wipe the floor with you.

Anybody can get of 2 Sniper shots in enough time to be able to kill a suits.

Easy solution. Don't snipe on that map. Skill into another gun. Not that hard of a task to-do. Snipe on certain maps, Assault on others.

I call Bull on this. seems like you've never seriously played sniper, and are just hating on it because that's not what you play.




And this confirms it. Your response, is basically, "quit playing sniper, because I dont think its a worthwhile job. Use a different weapon instead.".

You're a troll. The best way to deal with trolls is not to feed them. So i suggest people do not reply to him further on this thread, reguardless of what he posts.

I call Bull on this. seems like you've never seriously played sniper, and are just hating on it because that's not what you play.


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Yes it will. The situation will not always be a head-on fire fight between the Sniper rifle and the AR. (When I say SR I mean Scrambler rifle. Do you know what a Scrambler rifle is?) Remember that a AR user will not connect every shot, so DPS partially goes out the window there. Anybody can get of 2 Sniper shots in enough time to be able to kill a suits. Remember suits have varying health as well. So DPS can not be your only fall back on inserting quickscoping in this game.



Easy solution. Don't snipe on that map. Skill into another gun. Not that hard of a task to-do. Snipe on certain maps, Assault on others.

0. Yes, I know what a scrambler rifle is. To most on the forums, the scrambler rifle is the SCR, and the sniper rifle is the SR.
1. What happens when the sniper misses? Good luck having 100% accuracy on a strafing AR user. Miss 1 shot, and any decently tanked fit will require a 4-second reload before killing. For example, a MLT Cal Medium frame with 2x MLT extenders and a MLT armor plate has about 500 EHP. That's 3 shots right there.
2. All weapons should be viable on all maps. That's called good game balance.
3. I've skilled into SCRs and ARs as well, and do use them on the new map. Like I said, it's laughably easy to do well with those weapons, as 99% of engagements on the new map occur within those optimals. With a scanner and half decent gun game, it's just easy mode. Either the map design needs to change or weapons need to be adjusted.

+1

Improving initial dynamics would improve things for all classes - sniping becomes more versatile as move & shoot becomes an option. This would encourage more tactical sniping and less redline/mountaintop camping. Infantry would benefit as snipers come closer in and can be hunted without taking 5 minutes out of the match to climb a hill.
Sniping would become more useful, less selfish, more fun but also more vulnerable.
Win win as I see it.