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Aeon Amadi wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh

They've delivered a lot actually (hit detection fix in 1.4, 3 new maps, one new outpost, corp taxes, etc), seems like you're defining "anything" in a way that excludes everything except for some specific things you want.
You also seem to be forgetting that the new weapons and vehicle changes have only been delayed (probably just a month). Stop being so damn melodramatic.

All that stuff you just listed should have worked right out of beta, so after god knows how long in alpha. A year long beta where every 3 games u had to restart your start your ps.

Iinstead know we have badly balanced shooter that sort of finally works after an effect 3 years development time time.

No I'm sorry the bs we are getting now should have been in the game from the start. Dusts development has been rudderless from the start and one mistake after another. There big breakthrough no one cares about is so underused I don't get why they put so much effort into it.

EVE did what it was ment too out of the box. Dust has only just got shooting part working. I'm done with dust I'm going to spend money on games I know will work and be fun.

Dont get me wrong ccp guys are smart people but they don't get shooters. I hope they salvage dust but seeing whats coming I doubt they will do it in time.

The tldr Dust514 is a huge disappointment I'm done with

No, you're not. You'll never -actually- be done with it, you'll just come back when a new patch comes out like everyone else. To which I say to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHptG35EWU

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Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2986	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:33:00 - [1] - Quote Those of us who are a bit more civil understand that the development process is rough and considering that you guys have been doing rapid-fire updates for a few months now, it's sad to see a delay in the features when there is obviously a lot of working being done. One of the biggest things that has the community downtrodden is the lack of the communication and considering that there was time taken to inform us of the features that have been delayed, as well as the fact that you're going to be receiving feedback on what features are coming, I'd say that there's been enormous steps taken to quell that. Despite some of the more extremist players who resort to berating developers or CCP as a whole (I've even been guilty of this in the past) there is some good intentions buried in the immature behavior - we all want the same thing: Dust 514 to prosper and be the most invigorating, player-focused and most importantly: player-altered FPS experience available. So, here's to CCP for making changes for the better. Communication is always a better option than being left in the dark.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1722	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:36:00 - [2] - Quote I think it's fine that they're pushing back vehicle things, since it apparently wasn't in a good place. Generally I prefer to see rushed content with or without bugs, but when it comes to re-balancing large mechanics like vehicles vs AV (this is essentially game design more than a new 'feature') I'd rather it be done right at first. Do look forward to reading about the current status of things and seeing what was really going on there with whatever problems they faced or decisions are still keeping things on hold. Next week they says, might write about it all.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6317	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote I feel like I get a massive boost in troll power whenever CCP falls short on one of their promises. I HAVE THE POWER!!!
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1340	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:38:00 - [4] - Quote Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3342	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:11:00 - [5] - Quote I would also much rather see better balanced content later than rushed content early. I'm particularly pleased with the possibility of early feedback on the numbers next week.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6032	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:12:00 - [6] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh They've delivered a lot actually (hit detection fix in 1.4, 3 new maps, one new outpost, corp taxes, etc), seems like you're defining "anything" in a way that excludes everything except for some specific things you want. You also seem to be forgetting that the new weapons and vehicle changes have only been delayed (probably just a month). Stop being so damn melodramatic.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 739	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:16:00 - [7] - Quote As someone who has done even the most basic of programming, I can forgive them for delays like that. Poor design and priotities, I can not forgive them for.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 266	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:19:00 - [8] - Quote I was not there for the beginning of EVE. I have, however, spoken to those that have. It gives me hope, as does the next little segment of this post. I believe Dust 514 will pick up. Keep in mind, everyone, that CCP has stepped into FPS with this game, not another EVE-like game. Consider this as "new territory". They are also attempting to do two things that has infuriated many on both sides of the first, and currently a number for the second. 1) Keyboard and mouse able to fight against controller, instead of a forced controller versus controller. 2) Integrate Dust 514, a shooter, with EVE, a game of a completely different... focus?... in such a way that it'll effect it (EVE).
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1729	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:34:00 - [9] - Quote CCP listened to the community and delayed a half baked patch rather than disappoint us with problems we would have been happy to help avoid. 10/10
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3000	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:36:00 - [10] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: As someone who has done even the most basic of programming, I can forgive them for delays like that. Poor design and priotities, I can not forgive them for. There's a lot of things you and I don't see behind the scenes with game development. A lot of the features I worked on with Atonement RPI were shelved and back-logged, despite being otherwise functional and complete, because it didn't make sense to introduce it at the time due to change in pace. I'm sure they've made some extensive work on content like weapons, dropsuits and vehicles - with concept art and basic renders all over the place. Problem is, due to things like reviews and metacritic scores as well as the forum banter, their priorities shifted to have fully functioning, working content over broken innovations. We can see this just by how fast fixes were made with 1.4. An entire Domination map was broken and would not work as intended, yet was fixed within days. They've made quite a bit of progress and I'm sure they're doing fantastic with what they have set for their priorities, we simply can't see it because anytime they comment on the forums there's an alphanumeric riot over all of their shortcomings with very little acknowledgement of what they've done correctly. Imagine what devs like FoxFour, LogicLoop, Nullarbor and Wolfman -WANT- to show us but can't because it'll just cause another one of these outbursts whenever something happens to prevent it from coming out on time. I for one am glad that they even bothered to tell us that the weapons/vehicle changes were being delayed as it's much better than waiting until we see the patch notes.

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 228	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:37:00 - [11] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: CCP listened to the community and delayed a half baked patch rather than disappoint us with problems we would have been happy to help avoid. 10/10 which is funny people were complaining about unfinished patches few weeks ago because they did not feel aim assist was done correctly and are now bitching that something is getting pushed back in order to make sure it is done right, yet people still cry.
broonfondle majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 257	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote I had a sinking feeling when they released the Allotek packs. After all if they into new weapons now the pack buyers (and CCP's micro donators) would be cheated out of variant weapons
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3000	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:41:00 - [13] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: CCP listened to the community and delayed a half baked patch rather than disappoint us with problems we would have been happy to help avoid. 10/10 which is funny people were complaining about unfinished patches few weeks ago because they did not feel aim assist was done correctly and are now bitching that something is getting pushed back in order to make sure it is done right, yet people still cry. Even more funny that you notice this - imagine how CCP feels considering they've been hearing it for months, lol. I think CCP could use a pat on the back every so often. They get enough hate. I'd imagine working extra hours to make sure something is done correctly before a deadline is rough when the people you are doing it for are largely ungrateful over it.
Zero Notion Red Star Jr. EoN. 244	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:44:00 - [14] - Quote Quote: Imagine what devs like FoxFour, LogicLoop, Nullarbor and Wolfman -WANT- to show us but can't because it'll just cause another one of these outbursts whenever something happens to prevent it from coming out on time. That would happen no matter what; whether it was released, pushed back, canceled and so on. There will always be complaints. There will always be individual expectations that are not met. I'd rather have a much more open relationship with developers and see what sort of potential concepts they are working on, even if it doesn't make it into the game, just to know what sort of innovative developers are working on the game. That's just me, though. Players are always going to have their hopes up about something. Any person who has seriously gamed, especially within this medium (MMO/FPS/RPG), understands that the game is always going to be in a constant state of fluidity and change. However, in my eyes, it doesn't excuse poor development and implementation (i.e; not utilizing a play-test server that can host an X number of players at any given time, just to stress test the new mechanics). I'm not 'upset' but the need for fresh content is paramount right now. Players need actual content they can skill into, otherwise they are going to be burnt out in a bad way. Enhancing features is nice but it's not quite the same; I find it amusing that they can roll out whole packs of AUR weapons/gear (yes, I know it's cosmetic) which tells me they know how important 'new' content is - important enough where players are going to be spending real life money on something 'new', even when its not. To me, this is them taking advantage of the lack of real, solid game content.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1729	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:52:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I think CCP could use a pat on the back every so often. They get enough hate. I'd imagine working extra hours to make sure something is done correctly before a deadline is rough when the people you are doing it for are largely ungrateful over it. If I were a Dev I'd hope the community got smallpox.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3005	Posted - 2013.09.18 20:15:00 - [16] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Players need actual content they can skill into, otherwise they are going to be burnt out in a bad way. Enhancing features is nice but it's not quite the same; I find it amusing that they can roll out whole packs of AUR weapons/gear (yes, I know it's cosmetic) which tells me they know how important 'new' content is - important enough where players are going to be spending real life money on something 'new', even when its not. To me, this is them taking advantage of the lack of real, solid game content. Right, but if done incorrectly you could just have another Plasma Cannon on your hands. Or worse, another Flaylock Pistol. Premature initiation of new content is never good, especially when a weapon seems like a hybrid of two that is worse than them in many ways, lacking a significant role or purpose in the game. The Plasma Cannon still suffers from this despite some measures being made to make it useful. I.E: Fixing the reload glitch and making the projectile much faster. On the other hand it can also make a weapon more powerful than it needs to be, performing better than others in two or three shots and having room for error (splash radius). The best way I can describe it is if it were on release day that the Combat Rifle superceded the Assault Rifle in terms of damage and range and made it a less favorable choice simply because it outperformed it. Just as well, the Rail Rifle under-performed because it did less damage than the Tactical Assault Rifle and had no zoom to make benefit of it's range. It's much better simply to be patient and wait for the content to be ready while we get a few minor things to clean up the annoying imperfections like Corp Roles.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 942	Posted - 2013.09.18 20:29:00 - [17] - Quote I have to say, this community is mean. No, not mean. They just can't have fun. I played a little DUST last night, and you know what? I had fun! I'm pretty sure a large group of the forum community have a hard time understanding that, because the seem to be too busy thinking about "oh, but we don't have the Combat Rifle! Or the Amarr Scouts!" Be happy they are giving you all this game for free! They could make you pay for it, and parcel it out in DLC packs. But they don't. They've have been working for nothing, to give us all this wonderful stuff.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6347	Posted - 2013.09.18 20:32:00 - [18] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: They've have been working for nothing, to give us all this wonderful stuff. Just nitpicking here. The game is only free for some. Now of course no one is forced to pay for anything, but to act like no one pays and this game is 100% free is just a tad naive.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 230	Posted - 2013.09.18 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I have to say, this community is mean. No, not mean. They just can't have fun. I played a little DUST last night, and you know what? I had fun! I'm pretty sure a large group of the forum community have a hard time understanding that, because the seem to be too busy thinking about "oh, but we don't have the Combat Rifle! Or the Amarr Scouts!" Be happy they are giving you all this game for free! They could make you pay for it, and parcel it out in DLC packs. But they don't. They've have been working for nothing, to give us all this wonderful stuff. Most people that are on the forums can't have fun because after all the negativity they are saturated in affects them. Many of people i know have said they started having a lot more fun when they stopped checking in on the forums and focused on the actual game its self.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2107	Posted - 2013.09.18 20:42:00 - [20] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: I think it's fine that they're pushing back vehicle things, since it apparently wasn't in a good place. Not really we need core content features ASAP both dropsuits and vehicles. To hell with game fixes.

GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2013.09.18 21:27:00 - [21] - Quote Meh! DUST514 = F2P, Pay To Get Ahead, Broken FPS mechanics, lobby shooter. Working as intended. They are not looking for our thanks, they want your money. OP are you are looking for a Bluetag sugar cookie?
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1346	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:28:00 - [22] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh They've delivered a lot actually (hit detection fix in 1.4, 3 new maps, one new outpost, corp taxes, etc), seems like you're defining "anything" in a way that excludes everything except for some specific things you want. You also seem to be forgetting that the new weapons and vehicle changes have only been delayed (probably just a month). Stop being so damn melodramatic. All that stuff you just listed should have worked right out of beta, so after god knows how long in alpha. A year long beta where every 3 games u had to restart your start your ps. Iinstead know we have badly balanced shooter that sort of finally works after an effect 3 years development time time. No I'm sorry the bs we are getting now should have been in the game from the start. Dusts development has been rudderless from the start and one mistake after another. There big breakthrough no one cares about is so underused I don't get why they put so much effort into it. EVE did what it was ment too out of the box. Dust has only just got shooting part working. I'm done with dust I'm going to spend money on games I know will work and be fun. Dont get me wrong ccp guys are smart people but they don't get shooters. I hope they salvage dust but seeing whats coming I doubt they will do it in time. The tldr Dust514 is a huge disappointment I'm done with
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2110	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:30:00 - [23] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh They've delivered a lot actually (hit detection fix in 1.4, 3 new maps, one new outpost, corp taxes, etc), seems like you're defining "anything" in a way that excludes everything except for some specific things you want. You also seem to be forgetting that the new weapons and vehicle changes have only been delayed (probably just a month). Stop being so damn melodramatic. All that stuff you just listed should have worked right out of beta, so after god knows how long in alpha. A year long beta where every 3 games u had to restart your start your ps. Iinstead know we have badly balanced shooter that sort of finally works after an effect 3 years development time time. No I'm sorry the bs we are getting now should have been in the game from the start. Dusts development has been rudderless from the start and one mistake after another. There big breakthrough no one cares about is so underused I don't get why they put so much effort into it. EVE did what it was ment too out of the box. Dust has only just got shooting part working. I'm done with dust I'm going to spend money on games I know will work and be fun. Dont get me wrong ccp guys are smart people but they don't get shooters. I hope they salvage dust but seeing whats coming I doubt they will do it in time. The tldr Dust514 is a huge disappointment I'm done with Kagehoshi you still have to admit that very few games introduce four distinct and fully fleshed out races like Dust does and then does not deliver the core content of those races from day 1 of release.....
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3013	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:36:00 - [24] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh They've delivered a lot actually (hit detection fix in 1.4, 3 new maps, one new outpost, corp taxes, etc), seems like you're defining "anything" in a way that excludes everything except for some specific things you want. You also seem to be forgetting that the new weapons and vehicle changes have only been delayed (probably just a month). Stop being so damn melodramatic. All that stuff you just listed should have worked right out of beta, so after god knows how long in alpha. A year long beta where every 3 games u had to restart your start your ps. Iinstead know we have badly balanced shooter that sort of finally works after an effect 3 years development time time. No I'm sorry the bs we are getting now should have been in the game from the start. Dusts development has been rudderless from the start and one mistake after another. There big breakthrough no one cares about is so underused I don't get why they put so much effort into it. EVE did what it was ment too out of the box. Dust has only just got shooting part working. I'm done with dust I'm going to spend money on games I know will work and be fun. Dont get me wrong ccp guys are smart people but they don't get shooters. I hope they salvage dust but seeing whats coming I doubt they will do it in time. The tldr Dust514 is a huge disappointment I'm done with No, you're not. You'll never -actually- be done with it, you'll just come back when a new patch comes out like everyone else. To which I say to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHptG35EWU
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3344	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:41:00 - [25] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: EVE did what it was ment too out of the box. I'm sorry, I burst out laughing when I read this. I don't think you have any idea how bad EVE was when it started.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2110	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:41:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh They've delivered a lot actually (hit detection fix in 1.4, 3 new maps, one new outpost, corp taxes, etc), seems like you're defining "anything" in a way that excludes everything except for some specific things you want. You also seem to be forgetting that the new weapons and vehicle changes have only been delayed (probably just a month). Stop being so damn melodramatic. All that stuff you just listed should have worked right out of beta, so after god knows how long in alpha. A year long beta where every 3 games u had to restart your start your ps. Iinstead know we have badly balanced shooter that sort of finally works after an effect 3 years development time time. No I'm sorry the bs we are getting now should have been in the game from the start. Dusts development has been rudderless from the start and one mistake after another. There big breakthrough no one cares about is so underused I don't get why they put so much effort into it. EVE did what it was ment too out of the box. Dust has only just got shooting part working. I'm done with dust I'm going to spend money on games I know will work and be fun. Dont get me wrong ccp guys are smart people but they don't get shooters. I hope they salvage dust but seeing whats coming I doubt they will do it in time. The tldr Dust514 is a huge disappointment I'm done with No, you're not. You'll never -actually- be done with it, you'll just come back when a new patch comes out like everyone else. To which I say to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHptG35EWU Its like ******. It gets in ya head.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 252	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:56:00 - [27] - Quote I'm not a big EVE guy, but even I know that the game out of the box was utter sandbox with very little content. There are articles online going back ten years predicting EVE's death from lack of content. It was the player base creating their own fun that saved EVE and made it the success that it is today, not the developers. So I have to call BS whenever I read someone ranting about "all the features" Eve originally opened with. Like, lol what? Star wars Galaxies was doing bigger business than them at the time, and that game was sh*t.
Medical Crash Pro Hic Immortalis 150	Posted - 2013.09.18 22:56:00 - [28] - Quote How are you having fun? Why are you giving CCP thanks? They have failed to fix major core mechanics such as AIMING. This game has been out for what, two years? How can they not get something as vital as aiming right? I'm not a programmer, but is it really THAT hard to get it right? Is it not possible to give us more control over the sensitvity and acceleration? Why are we so limited, why? I want to shotgun, but the slow aiming gets me killed and frustrated. It simply is not feasible nor fun to play for more than one match. I haven't played this game for a week, and all my boosters have run out. I refuse to buy more until aiming is fixed. Stop crapping on DS3 users, enough is enough. And for the idiots saying, "but you have aim assist derps derpity da derp derp", it's not enough! Certain actions disable AA, leaving you in manual aiming mode. When that happens you are gimped with several weapons because the aiming is just not there. COD and Battlefield have fanatstic aiming, take off AA on those games, and it's still very good to aim. Come back to DUST and you'll be angry, because you know when you get killed 99% of the time it's not your fault, it's the crappy aiming system in this game and CCP's constant blind eye to the subject. CCP, stop for the love of all that is holy-ignoring aiming. It's the elephant in the room, it's right there, but patch after patch I see nothing done about it. I don't care about aim assist, I WANT better aiming! That's it, that's all I want to see done, can this not be done? Please, please, please fix this. I can take getting shot at by multiple tanks, I can take facing multiple sqauds of full proto in Ambush, but what I can't handle anymore is this subpar- Dollar Store aiming mechanic(s). Please fix this, please?
J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.09.18 23:13:00 - [29] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I was not there for the beginning of EVE. I have, however, spoken to those that have. It gives me hope, as does the next little segment of this post. I believe Dust 514 will pick up. Keep in mind, everyone, that CCP has stepped into FPS with this game, not another EVE-like game. Consider this as "new territory". They are also attempting to do two things that has infuriated many on both sides of the first, and currently a number for the second. 1) Keyboard and mouse able to fight against controller, instead of a forced controller versus controller. 2) Integrate Dust 514, a shooter, with EVE, a game of a completely different... focus?... in such a way that it'll effect it (EVE). Exactly. When i see people comparing Dust with CoD and BF i think: "CoD and BF HAVE to be better than Dust, they are in the market, if my memory is correct, nearly for a decade or more . The biggest change CoD had was with CoD 4, and now they are farming the same formula every year. How could it fail? The gap between BF 2 to 3, in console, was huuge.And yet, BF 4 will have some little innovation (Like "Levolution"). But look at CCP.... What is the experience that they have with FPS? Dust is their first step into this genre, and they are tryig to make something REALLY DIFFERENT. They are trying to "renew" a genre that has become some kind of "cake recipe"." Dust can die, like Mag before it, it can be the worst FPS of all time, but CCP have my deepest respect just to have tried something that other big clusterfck companies never even thought about. "Have an A-1 Day"
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1694	Posted - 2013.09.18 23:20:00 - [30] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Keep saying that after year and half of ccp failing to deliver on anything I'm normall very forgiving but it's reached the point were I have no faith in this studio. I hope the maps and building team get moved to WoD team tbh QFT. An no, they haven't delivered much in a year and a half.



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