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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:41:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:noob cavman wrote:Or have them be the only scout that has two equipment slots like how the amarr logi is the only one with a sidearm. But but but but that makes no sense since it would be able to run as fast as a Gallente but it would have 2 EQ? Caldari are one of the slowest races in EVE, so I would image the caldari scout would be slower than the Gal Scout even if both of them had 2 equipment slots. take a look at stats. Caldari Medium runs the same speed as Gallente Medium.
I have the stats, literally I have excel files which I run spider charts with, Caldari and Gallente assautls are literally mirrored in near every stat because CCP ran out of time |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:48:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:noob cavman wrote:Or have them be the only scout that has two equipment slots like how the amarr logi is the only one with a sidearm. But but but but that makes no sense since it would be able to run as fast as a Gallente but it would have 2 EQ? Also bonuses shouldn't be directly one weapon oriented. So no shotgun, RE, sniper bonuses. Hybrid weapon/Laser Weapon/Projectile weapon boosts are different.
The gal has the ability to out speed tank a cal scout or so I hope. And the minja has the nova knife bonus so was just throwing out ideas. Just wanted some thing for the cal or even the amarr for a completely different play style to scouting atm |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.09.18 02:01:00 -
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noob cavman wrote: The gal has the ability to out speed tank a cal scout or so I hope. And the minja has the nova knife bonus so was just throwing out ideas. Just wanted some thing for the cal or even the amarr for a completely different play style to scouting atm
The amarr would be acceptable.
The caldari shouldn't because: A) It, as it stands, would be on Speed par with Gallente B) Can shield tank, thus tank without speed penalty C) equal module count (but opposite) of Gallente
The amarr would be perfect because by reason, they will be slower and have less modules. That way there would be a reason to spec into the amarr. |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.09.18 02:08:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:noob cavman wrote: The gal has the ability to out speed tank a cal scout or so I hope. And the minja has the nova knife bonus so was just throwing out ideas. Just wanted some thing for the cal or even the amarr for a completely different play style to scouting atm
The amarr would be acceptable. The caldari shouldn't because: A) It, as it stands, would be on Speed par with Gallente B) Can shield tank, thus tank without speed penalty C) equal module count (but opposite) of Gallente The amarr would be perfect because by reason, they will be slower and have less modules. That way there would be a reason to spec into the amarr.
Can totally get behind amarr having two equipment slots. Much better idea than cal considering if it mirrors the gal. I had a dumb fart. Still trying to work out a good bonus for the cal or im gonna lose sleep |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.09.18 02:16:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Can totally get behind amarr having two equipment slots. Much better idea than cal considering if it mirrors the gal. I had a dumb fart. Still trying to work out a good bonus for the cal or im gonna lose sleep It would seem precision is the only way to go but even then, |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.09.18 02:24:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:noob cavman wrote:Can totally get behind amarr having two equipment slots. Much better idea than cal considering if it mirrors the gal. I had a dumb fart. Still trying to work out a good bonus for the cal or im gonna lose sleep It would seem precision is the only way to go but even then, Kinda feels a little damp and too.... mirrored to the gal scout. We have the aggressive minja and the sneaky gal and hopefully the techy amarr. I just feel precision is too... passive I guess. Cant word well when this tired. |
dustwaffle
Commando Perkone Caldari State
554
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Posted - 2013.09.18 03:56:00 -
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My vision for the Caldari scout:
Ewar heavy platform, good passive scan, possible bonuses to scanners and/or ewar, much lower EHP than Caldari assault, faster than assaults but slower than other races' scouts, possibly slightly tankier than the other scouts as well? |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
50
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Posted - 2013.09.18 03:59:00 -
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take into consideration a few things. 1. ccp has had much more time to think about this one, so it may not simply mirror the gallente scout 2. the bonus could be (as previously stated) +5% shotgun damage or -5% shield regen delay. this would surely separate it from the gal. scout 3. it would be fair because while they wont have the penalty to movment speed they wont have the OPTION to speed tank. this whole thing works espcially well when taking into consideration the shield depleted recharge time. this could literally be the difference between life or death. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
256
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Posted - 2013.09.18 04:13:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:My vision for the Caldari scout:
Ewar heavy platform, good passive scan, possible bonuses to scanners and/or ewar, much lower EHP than Caldari assault, faster than assaults but slower than other races' scouts, possibly slightly tankier than the other scouts as well?
This very much this,
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:take into consideration a few things. 1. ccp has had much more time to think about this one, so it may not simply mirror the gallente scout 2. the bonus could be (as previously stated) +5% shotgun damage or -5% shield regen delay. this would surely separate it from the gal. scout 3. it would be fair because while they wont have the penalty to movment speed they wont have the OPTION to speed tank. this whole thing works espcially well when taking into consideration the shield depleted recharge time. this could literally be the difference between life or death.
Hell no, one weapon bonus makes for crappy gameplay especially for a gallentean weapon on a caldari platform is about as low of a suggestion one can go. And shield regen delay is so short that the % means nothing, especially for the low eph of the scout. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
50
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Posted - 2013.09.18 04:38:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:dustwaffle wrote:My vision for the Caldari scout:
Ewar heavy platform, good passive scan, possible bonuses to scanners and/or ewar, much lower EHP than Caldari assault, faster than assaults but slower than other races' scouts, possibly slightly tankier than the other scouts as well? This very much this, TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:take into consideration a few things. 1. ccp has had much more time to think about this one, so it may not simply mirror the gallente scout 2. the bonus could be (as previously stated) +5% shotgun damage or -5% shield regen delay. this would surely separate it from the gal. scout 3. it would be fair because while they wont have the penalty to movment speed they wont have the OPTION to speed tank. this whole thing works espcially well when taking into consideration the shield depleted recharge time. this could literally be the difference between life or death. Hell no, one weapon bonus makes for crappy gameplay especially for a gallentean weapon on a caldari platform is about as low of a suggestion one can go. And shield regen delay is so short that the % means nothing, especially for the low eph of the scout. arent the nova knives gallente? i may be wrong, but assuming im right, the minmatar scout gets +nova knife dmg, so who is to say that+ SG dmg is "as low of a suggestion as one can go" as of now the caldari dont even have their form of an assault rifle, so what other weapon could they get bonus dmg to? the minmatar scout isnt bad and is often used for its bonus NK dmg, so what makes bonus SG dmg so bad? |
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1846
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Posted - 2013.09.18 04:41:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: arent the nova knives gallente? i may be wrong, but assuming im right, the minmatar scout gets +nova knife dmg, so who is to say that+ SG dmg is "as low of a suggestion as one can go" as of now the caldari dont even have their form of an assault rifle, so what other weapon could they get bonus dmg to? the minmatar scout isnt bad and is often used for its bonus NK dmg, so what makes bonus SG dmg so bad?
You are very misinformed dear
Nova Knives = Caldari Minmatar Scout gets + Melee damage, Nova Knives are sidearm! |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
50
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Posted - 2013.09.18 04:53:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: arent the nova knives gallente? i may be wrong, but assuming im right, the minmatar scout gets +nova knife dmg, so who is to say that+ SG dmg is "as low of a suggestion as one can go" as of now the caldari dont even have their form of an assault rifle, so what other weapon could they get bonus dmg to? the minmatar scout isnt bad and is often used for its bonus NK dmg, so what makes bonus SG dmg so bad?
You are very misinformed dear Nova Knives = Caldari Minmatar Scout gets + Melee damage, Nova Knives are sidearm! ill admit i may be wrong about the race, but minmatar scout DEFINITELY gets bonus NK and melee dmg per level. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
502
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Posted - 2013.09.18 05:20:00 -
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I hope they look cool too. Idk if it'll be hard to pull away from my Gal suit in favor for one the new suits. Idk if they'll allow a respec for us scouts. Idk if I'll have to spec into two or more suits lol |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
386
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Posted - 2013.09.18 05:25:00 -
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Calogi, calassault, minlogi are the best scouts in the game. |
Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.09.18 07:54:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I can only see the Scout as a faster lesser Assault.
Fixed...
Seriously though, I alway figured Caldari would have ewar bonuses - but there isn't much in the way of ewar - if Caldari get a bonus to active scanners, ill be kinda pissed because then they would be the only scout with an effective bonus to scouting.
I wouldn't be surprised if they have the Caldari scout recharge delay or sniper bonus though, since CCP aren't sure what scouts are for.
OR...and this may be a touch too logical here; when they release the other scouts they will fix all scouts at the same time - it makes sense they will balance new scouts against the new/improved version of current scouts.
Like I said - there seems to be too much logic for that to ever happen.
Also agree that if only one scout gets two slots, it'd be Amarr.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
54
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Posted - 2013.09.18 10:50:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:I can only see the Scout as a faster lesser Assault. Fixed... Seriously though, I alway figured Caldari would have ewar bonuses - but there isn't much in the way of ewar - if Caldari get a bonus to active scanners, ill be kinda pissed because then they would be the only scout with an effective bonus to scouting. I wouldn't be surprised if they have the Caldari scout recharge delay or sniper bonus though, since CCP aren't sure what scouts are for. OR...and this may be a touch too logical here; when they release the other scouts they will fix all scouts at the same time - it makes sense they will balance new scouts against the new/improved version of current scouts. Like I said - there seems to be too much logic for that to ever happen. Also agree that if only one scout gets two slots, it'd be Amarr. this really is a tough one. there wouldnt really be a point in caldari scouts to have bonus to scanners because, howmany scouts out of every scout, actually successfully get underthe 15 dB scanner? id give it 10% at most. maybe theyll get a bons to some new mechanic ccp will add later. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1851
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:13:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: ill admit i may be wrong about the race, but minmatar scout DEFINITELY gets bonus NK and melee dmg per level.
Pretty sure they don't Nova Knives have a devastating melee attack but I do not think it applies to charge shots. So NK damage is only relevant to the Minni if you use it's melee function.
People use Min's and Nova's because of the min's speed |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
260
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:25:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: ill admit i may be wrong about the race, but minmatar scout DEFINITELY gets bonus NK and melee dmg per level.
Pretty sure they don't Nova Knives have a devastating melee attack but I do not think it applies to charge shots. So NK damage is only relevant to the Minni if you use it's melee function. People use Min's and Nova's because of the min's speed
I'm pretty sure they do get a bonus.
It's sorta tacked on because the min scout is supposed to get a bonus to all melee (including melee weapons) but there is only one melee weapon at the moment so it might cause confusion if they say "melee and melee weapons".
Can't check in-game atm, but I believe this is correct.
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Skills#Dropsuit_Command_Sheet
Quote:Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level |
Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
151
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:31:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Yan Darn wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:I can only see the Scout as a faster lesser Assault. Fixed... Seriously though, I alway figured Caldari would have ewar bonuses - but there isn't much in the way of ewar - if Caldari get a bonus to active scanners, ill be kinda pissed because then they would be the only scout with an effective bonus to scouting. I wouldn't be surprised if they have the Caldari scout recharge delay or sniper bonus though, since CCP aren't sure what scouts are for. OR...and this may be a touch too logical here; when they release the other scouts they will fix all scouts at the same time - it makes sense they will balance new scouts against the new/improved version of current scouts. Like I said - there seems to be too much logic for that to ever happen. Also agree that if only one scout gets two slots, it'd be Amarr. this really is a tough one. there wouldnt really be a point in caldari scouts to have bonus to scanners because, howmany scouts out of every scout, actually successfully get underthe 15 dB scanner? id give it 10% at most. maybe theyll get a bons to some new mechanic ccp will add later.
I do rather hope we will have some more ewar options in future. On scanners however, it's not just the scan strength there is mark duration, scan range, recharge, fittings etc.
If scouts were actually used in PC (stealth scouts at that) Caldari scouts would be OP if they had active scan precision bonus. That's a weird and pointless irony I guess...
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
55
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:47:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: ill admit i may be wrong about the race, but minmatar scout DEFINITELY gets bonus NK and melee dmg per level.
Pretty sure they don't Nova Knives have a devastating melee attack but I do not think it applies to charge shots. So NK damage is only relevant to the Minni if you use it's melee function. People use Min's and Nova's because of the min's speed it would appear you are terribly misinformed, or are a gallente scout, because it definitely gets bonus NK dmg. i double checked today. any minnie scout will tell you the same. |
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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
258
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Posted - 2013.09.19 00:04:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Yan Darn wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:I can only see the Scout as a faster lesser Assault. Fixed... Seriously though, I alway figured Caldari would have ewar bonuses - but there isn't much in the way of ewar - if Caldari get a bonus to active scanners, ill be kinda pissed because then they would be the only scout with an effective bonus to scouting. I wouldn't be surprised if they have the Caldari scout recharge delay or sniper bonus though, since CCP aren't sure what scouts are for. OR...and this may be a touch too logical here; when they release the other scouts they will fix all scouts at the same time - it makes sense they will balance new scouts against the new/improved version of current scouts. Like I said - there seems to be too much logic for that to ever happen. Also agree that if only one scout gets two slots, it'd be Amarr. this really is a tough one. there wouldnt really be a point in caldari scouts to have bonus to scanners because, howmany scouts out of every scout, actually successfully get underthe 15 dB scanner? id give it 10% at most. maybe theyll get a bons to some new mechanic ccp will add later. I do rather hope we will have some more ewar options in future. On scanners however, it's not just the scan strength there is mark duration, scan range, recharge, fittings etc. If scouts were actually used in PC (stealth scouts at that) Caldari scouts would be OP if they had active scan precision bonus. That's a weird and pointless irony I guess...
This as well, once scouts are useful, you are going to need a scout to scout the scout.......mind blown
Also the Amarr Sentinel has a bonus that has no real use (but based on the bonus it will be a heavy laser with feedback damage), so the idea of throwing on a skill that does nothing yet is not entirely out of the question for Caldari Scouts. |
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