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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:09:00 -
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so I am speccing into gallente logi suits.
the skill bonus reads that it lowers the cpu and pg requirement of equipment by 5% per rank.
leveling up the skill doesn't sem to effect this at all, so my only guess is I either missed a key word somewhere or it's a one time bonus, I suppose it could be broken as well.
anyway I had 51 of 51 pg before I ranked up and had 51 of 51 after I ranked up. |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:13:00 -
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Does it maybe refer to rank as in tier, i.e. the effects are only kick in when you move from standard to advanced to prototype? |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:16:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Does it maybe refer to rank as in tier, i.e. the effects are only kick in when you move from standard to advanced to prototype?
maybe but that would seem a bit odd, I have no way to test it till I reach advanced suits though |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:17:00 -
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It means of equipment, like the stuff that goes in equipment slots.
So at level V, each piece of equipment you fit will have -25% less fitting requirements. IOW you can fit 4 items for the fitting price of 3. |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:18:00 -
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No, but you do need to use a logi dropsuit for the effects to take hold. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:24:00 -
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yep it was a logi suit and my equipment was full, it had no change when I leveled my gallente drop suit skill up. it was only a basic frame though. |
gbh08
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:28:00 -
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I presume its the same as the weapons cpu skill
It doesnt increase your cpu on the suit, but when you equip a gun say at lvl 5 op, it takes less cpu, even though when you look at the gun the stat hasnt changed, but even so it does infact cost less |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:39:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:I presume its the same as the weapons cpu skill
It doesnt increase your cpu on the suit, but when you equip a gun say at lvl 5 op, it takes less cpu, even though when you look at the gun the stat hasnt changed, but even so it does infact cost less
This is correct. |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:40:00 -
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Quote:Lowers the CPU/PG requirement of equipment by 5% per rank.
Read it.
Read it again.
Read it one last time.
Do you get it now?
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2074
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:27:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:yep it was a logi suit and my equipment was full, it had no change when I leveled my gallente drop suit skill up. it was only a basic frame though.
Basic frame and logi suit are not the same thing. You have to actually use a logi suit. And if you really want, take the level your logistics skill is at, times that by 5 to get your percent, then take that percentage for a single piece of equipment listed on its stats page. Then put that same equipment on your fitting a lone and see if it took less PG/CPU. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:28:00 -
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What equipment were you running? A 5% decrease to an item that uses less than 15pg has a chance of receiving no reduction. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:36:00 -
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it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 48/51 pg
was an advanced scanner, standard nano hive and standard nano injector. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:38:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:Quote:Lowers the CPU/PG requirement of equipment by 5% per rank. Read it. Read it again. Read it one last time. Do you get it now?
nope, still doesn't seem to be doing that. |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:39:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 46/51 pg
*Sigh*
The PG is not added to your suits maximum PG output.
Any piece of equipment's PG requirement is reduced by P% because of that bonus. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:40:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 46/51 pg *Sigh* The PG is not added to your suits maximum PG output. Any piece of equipment's PG requirement is reduced by P% because of that bonus.
yes but i still had the full 51 of my 51 pg.
meaning it reduced nothing -.-
nowhere in this thread did I say anywhere that it should be increasing my pg. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:41:00 -
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remove and add each piece of equipment to see if it changes? |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:41:00 -
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Lets try again, shall we?
Quote:Lowers the CPU/PG requirement of equipment by 5% per rank.
Quote:Lowers CPU/PG requirement of equipment by 5%
Quote:Lowers CPU/PG requirement
Quote: CPU/PG requirement of equipment
Quote: requirement of equipment |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:42:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:remove and add each piece of equipment to see if it changes?
tried that in case it was just not applying the bonus to old fits, but nothing changed then either. |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:43:00 -
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It could be that the 5% difference in PG cost for the equipment didn't make a whole number, so the fitting tool won't show a difference. |
gbh08
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:43:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 48/51 pg
was an advanced scanner, standard nano hive and standard nano injector.
5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg
the scanner is about 0.45
and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point... |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:44:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:remove and add each piece of equipment to see if it changes? tried that in case it was just not applying the bonus to old fits, but nothing changed then either.
Have you tried restarting Dust? |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:45:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 48/51 pg
was an advanced scanner, standard nano hive and standard nano injector. 5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg the scanner is about 0.45 and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point...
this is the second rank though, assuming that was correct, shouldn't I of seen the first point of reduction this level or does it always round up? |
gbh08
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:48:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:gbh08 wrote:calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 48/51 pg
was an advanced scanner, standard nano hive and standard nano injector. 5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg the scanner is about 0.45 and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point... this is the second rank though, assuming that was correct, shouldn't I of seen the first point of reduction this level or does it always round up?
Im not sure how the rounding works
however if its a cpu and pg bonus, you should be seeing the bonus on the cpu |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:49:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:calisk galern wrote:gbh08 wrote:calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should of had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 48/51 pg
was an advanced scanner, standard nano hive and standard nano injector. 5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg the scanner is about 0.45 and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point... this is the second rank though, assuming that was correct, shouldn't I of seen the first point of reduction this level or does it always round up? Im not sure how the rounding works however if its a cpu and pg bonus, you should be seeing the bonus on the cpu
unfortunately I didn't take note of that before I ranked up, I will be paying a lot more attention for rank 3, 4, and 5 though. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:55:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:calisk galern wrote:it's a standard suit I had this problem yesterday I say basic suit when I mean standard.
it's a standard gallente logistics suit.
if i had 51/51 pg before upgrading, after upgrading i should have had more pg to spare. 5 % should of been about 46/5 pg *Sigh* The PG is not added to your suits maximum PG output. Any piece of equipment's PG requirement is reduced by P% because of that bonus.
The part I put in bold is where he's listing the suit's maximum PG output.
MAXIMUM PG OUTPUT = 51. Before AND after, maximum PG output = 51.
CURRENTLY USED PG = 51. Before AND after, NOT MAXIMUM PG OUTPUT, BUT TOTAL USED = 51. This is the number that the skill SHOULD BE REDUCING and he's saying it isn't doing so.
Before accusing others of not reading, you should probably consider taking lessons yourself.
Also, @OP, the part in italics is where your grammar is awful. I'm not even going to bother with your failure to capitalise the personal pronoun "I". |
gbh08
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:55:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:
unfortunately I didn't take note of that before I ranked up, I will be paying a lot more attention for rank 3, 4, and 5 though.
To test the cpu, you can just create a blank logi suit, and just put in the std nanohive, instead of it taking 21 cpu, it should only take 19
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Zimander
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:57:00 -
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it work for me on my assault drop suite from basic to pro |
Bendtner92
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:59:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg
the scanner is about 0.45
and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point...
*edit*
the std injector only cost 2 pg to begin with lol
None of these will use less PG with the suit bonus. A 0.45 decrease gets rounded down to 0.
An item needs at least a 0.5 decrease for it to give a 1.0 decrease in PG used. |
TcuBe3
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:00:00 -
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The horse is dead... Stop beating it! |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:05:00 -
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but its fun |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:05:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:gbh08 wrote:5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg
the scanner is about 0.45
and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point...
*edit*
the std injector only cost 2 pg to begin with lol None of these will use less PG with the suit bonus. A 0.45 decrease gets rounded down to 0. An item needs at least a 0.5 decrease for it to give a 1.0 decrease in PG used.
Addressed in post #22, this could be correct but only if the rounding is done in a way to either always round up or always round down. |
gbh08
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:14:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:gbh08 wrote:5 % of the nano hives is about 0.2 pg
the scanner is about 0.45
and i didnt do the injector, but you get the point...
*edit*
the std injector only cost 2 pg to begin with lol None of these will use less PG with the suit bonus. A 0.45 decrease gets rounded down to 0. An item needs at least a 0.5 decrease for it to give a 1.0 decrease in PG used.
so with his 10% bonus the scanner will be at 0.9 , or 0.6 if he using the adv scanner with less pg (6)
so he should be seeing a saving of 1 pg?
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Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:19:00 -
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TcuBe3 wrote:The horse is dead... Stop beating it!
What he meant to say was: "OP, it is 5% of the equipment's requirement" |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:22:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:yep it was a logi suit and my equipment was full, it had no change when I leveled my gallente drop suit skill up. it was only a basic frame though.
If I am reading this correctly, here is your problem.
The reduction in cost is associated with the level in Gallente Logi skill not the Gallente Medium Dropsuit skill.
You aren't seeing a reduction because you aren't leveling the correct skill and/or you aren't using the right suit.
Give more complete information; what is the level of the Gal Logi Skill at? what suit are you trying to use?
I am a Gal Logi at Proto and I can confirm that the skill is working correctly.
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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:25:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:calisk galern wrote:yep it was a logi suit and my equipment was full, it had no change when I leveled my gallente drop suit skill up. it was only a basic frame though. If I am reading this correctly, here is your problem. The reduction in cost is associated with the level in Gallente Logi skill not the Gallente Medium Dropsuit skill. You aren't seeing a reduction because you aren't leveling the correct skill and/or you aren't using the right suit. Give more complete information; what is the level of the Gal Logi Skill at? what suit are you trying to use? I am a Gal Logi at Proto and I can confirm that the skill is working correctly.
All info has been given throughout the course of the thread.
Gallente logistics skill rank 2.
Equip being used was given.
Suit is the correct standard logistics frame.
At this point it seems most likely to just be a rounding issue which I can confirm once I rank the skill up once more. |
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