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Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
134
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:34:00 -
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"Oh, cool, I finally got dropsuit upgrades up to 4. So now I can go unlock biotic upgrades, to unlock kinetic catalyzation".
"Huh. level 1 biotic is not enough, guess I'll have to wait a little bit...
wait, I need to put in HOW MUCH SP for that??!????"
(609,400 SP).
F that...
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
180
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:39:00 -
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Yeah, think of the scouts, we like our SP sinks :P |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1208
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:41:00 -
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Didnt look up the skill multiplier lol |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
954
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:01:00 -
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been there done that.... |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
136
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:26:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Didnt look up the skill multiplier lol
It's not even just that there's a multiplier. it's that you have to get the prerequisit to V.
And even if I *DID* sink SP down that hole.... kinetics are useless(no benefit above militia ones) unless I get THAT to level 3 as well!
F'orget that. I'll just run with 2xmilitia, and forgo use of a low slot. That gives me better than a single ADV kincat anyway.
What I would have preferred to see, is lower "barrier to entry", but no militia version.
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Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:28:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:"Oh, cool, I finally got dropsuit upgrades up to 4. So now I can go unlock biotic upgrades, to unlock kinetic catalyzation".
"Huh. level 1 biotic is not enough, guess I'll have to wait a little bit...
wait, I need to put in HOW MUCH MORE SP for that??!????"
(609,400 SP).
F that...
Ahh, but it's not a waste. Not even a little bit. Every level of that skill is +1% to sprint speed, stamina regen, and max stamina. The stamina doesn't really matter, but the sprint speed does. At level 5, it's a free basic kincat, for no fitting/slot cost whatsoever. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1317
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:31:00 -
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That big number 5 stared at me for a few days too but it is an important core skill. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1497
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:37:00 -
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Welcome to the SP sink. With 1.4 kincats lost all their combat effectiveness too.
But they're invaluable in important skirmishes, for getting the points early, and for deploying uplinks at vital locations. |
Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:41:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Welcome to the SP sink. With 1.4 kincats lost all their combat effectiveness too.
But they're invaluable in important skirmishes, for getting the points early, and for deploying uplinks at vital locations.
They've only lost all combat effectiveness if you're not an active scanner flanker. Positioning = sneak attack = combat effectiveness. Also, having the ability to disengage from combat at will is pretty sweet. Biotics 5 + a basic kincat on a medium Winmatar frame and you're in business. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
136
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:42:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:That big number 5 stared at me for a few days too but it is an important core skill.
"Important" implies "more important than most other things".
Pfft. for 600,000 SP, I can think of much more important things, for HALF the cost.
(I'm relatively new, so I dont have 6,000,000 SP sunk already)
I could get my sniper skill from 4 to 5, AND get my scout suit from 2 to 3, with 600,000 SP.
But at this point, its still difficult for me to justify even waiting for 300,000 to sink into something, when there's fun stuff still to be had for 100,000 
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Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:46:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:That big number 5 stared at me for a few days too but it is an important core skill. "Important" implies "more important than most other things". Pfft. for 600,000 SP, I can think of much more important things, for HALF the cost. (I'm relatively new, so I dont have 6,000,000 SP sunk already) I could get my sniper skill from 4 to 5, AND get my scout suit from 2 to 3, with 600,000 SP. But at this point, its still difficult for me to justify even waiting for 300,000 to sink into something, when there's fun stuff still to be had for 100,000
You're absolutely right on how to efficiently allocate your SP over the exponential grind distribution, but I would argue that it's still worth getting the first 2-3 levels of biotics early on. Free. Speed. Boost. I would think that, especially as a Gal scout, you would want as much non-low-slot-taking speed boosters as possible. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
136
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:06:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:
You're absolutely right on how to efficiently allocate your SP over the exponential grind distribution, but I would argue that it's still worth getting the first 2-3 levels of biotics early on. Free. Speed. Boost. I would think that, especially as a Gal scout, you would want as much non-low-slot-taking speed boosters as possible.
huh. interesting point.
btw, I'm only considering the kinetic skills for my Minmatar alt :) For my gallente suit, i'm focusing on stealth and range.
... waitaminit... nuts. I need to be doing that on my gallente Alt.
Neuuuuuu.....
well, I'm still doing fairly well with range extenders in my Calamari-in-galente. but... gah... wasted investments.. :cry:
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2074
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:20:00 -
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The biotics upgrade skill is actually pretty useful though. I'm not even a scout and have it at Level 4, so that's 4% faster sprint speed, 4% more stamina, 4% faster stamina recovery. May not sound like much, but it has saved my life on multiple occasions. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3619
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:24:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:That big number 5 stared at me for a few days too but it is an important core skill.
Sometimes this game makes me think of my first time looking at how long it would take me to train Advanced Weapon Upgrades V.
I put that off for so long because I just couldn't bring myself to spend 25 days on a single skill. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1728
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:27:00 -
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should have read the requirements |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
489
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:34:00 -
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I still like to double stack Enhanced Kincats on the Minmatar suit for the speed. Lets me move into position faster and more importantly it lets me flank and strike faster before i'm noticed so I have the best chance at taking out my target. Adv Quantum Scanner pairs very well with them. Here is the suit I was testing last night to some decent success:
Highs: 1x Complex Shield Extender & 1x Militia Precision Enhancer
Lows: 2x Enhanced Kinetic Catalizers
Weapons: Std Shotgun
Equipment: Adv Quantum Scanner
Grenades: Std Locus Nades |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1252
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:40:00 -
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It's pretty much a worthless skill in this build.
Speed tanking is dead. Put an enhanced plate where that red bottle would go.
Just another 1 mill or so SP wasted. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
546
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:41:00 -
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Ya I have been down that road and it was not scenic one bit. It seems the more SP you gain the more SP you need to unlock just one skill level. Is it worth it, it depends on your play style. That is why we need a one time, once a year SP skill reset. You think its a great idea and it seems logical because you think you need the skill or skills to be successful. You find out your wrong and there is no reset. A lot of skills are SP sinks and there is nothing you can do but put up or shut, unfortunately. If I had to redo it all over again, I would put just enough into base skills and saved the rest. |
Yan Darn
DUST University
Ivy League
145
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:58:00 -
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5mil SP - Biotics is my first and only lv5 skill. I don't regret it, but I don't use greens/reds so...
Shields/Armour were at lv4 and were suppose to be next, but hacking, dampening, radar, fitting skills, racial... And now adv active scanners, next adv uplinks...
I'm never gonna get any weapon to ops5 at this rate - never mind proficiency... |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
32
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:36:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Didnt look up the skill multiplier lol It's not even just that there's a multiplier. it's that you have to get the prerequisit to V. And even if I *DID* sink SP down that hole.... kinetics are useless(no benefit above militia ones) unless I get THAT to level 3 as well! F'orget that. I'll just run with 2xmilitia, and forgo use of a low slot. That gives me better than a single ADV kincat anyway. What I would have preferred to see, is lower "barrier to entry", but no militia version.
You do realize that when you get the bionics up to 5 and the KAT up to 3 with the 8% from enhanced and the 8% for bonus you now have 16% a little bit more the your militia or even double your militia with just one KAT on. people need to look at bonuses before b!tching |
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